PDA

View Full Version : My favorite plane. (Poll)



chris455
01-26-2005, 08:31 PM

chris455
01-26-2005, 08:31 PM
.......actually, I'm more interestd in the nationality of your favorite plane. Just curious. Nation of origin is what we are seeking here, so, e.g, the Curtiss tomahawk would still be considered a P-40, ergo American.
There are only 5 voting slots, so for now we are limited to 5 countries.
Here we go!

MY FAVORITE PLANE IS:

han freak solo
01-26-2005, 08:55 PM
Impossible to vote this way!!
Favorite Russian I-16
Favorite American P-40E
Favorite British Seafire
Favorite German Bf-109G
Favorite Japanese A6M5

VW-IceFire
01-26-2005, 09:21 PM
I'm so torn...this is when your nationality or heritage comes into play. I did vote British (Canadian, British heritage, RAF/RCAF cooperation, it fits)...if I had to pick a favorite plane it'd be a near tie between Spitfires and Tempests (and Typhoons by relation). But I have lots of favorites...the Corsair, the FW190, the Hellcat, the Me-262, the Yak-9s, the IL-2...its really tough http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif

F4U_Flyer
01-26-2005, 09:35 PM
My favorite is the ones i cant fly...." yet " .

3.JG51_BigBear
01-26-2005, 09:36 PM
American. I'll admit it I'm a die hard Ami fan having been born and raised in the USA. I love the size and power of them.

Badsight.
01-26-2005, 09:43 PM
i didnt see a "Shinden" option . . . .

do you need pics ?

Eraser_tr
01-26-2005, 09:55 PM
My favorite is the old reliable spitfire, followed by the hellcat.

Hendley
01-26-2005, 10:22 PM
In RL I would vote for the British planes for sure, with a second place going to the Japanese.

But none of my favs are actually in the game, so German it is. Love the Bf110 and Stukas...

eddiemac0
01-26-2005, 10:25 PM
-Favorite Russian: La-7
-Favorite American: P-38J (with a close tie between the F4U and F6F, which are closely followed by the F4F)
-Favorite British: Typhoon
-Favorite German: Bf-109G2
-Favorite Japanese: Hmm, this one changes everyday, but reliably between the Zero, Rufe, Kyofu, and Shinden (the pusher with the canards)... come to think of it, I love them all, don't make me choose!

But if I had to pick one it would be the P-38J... that is the one aircraft that I've never strayed in my love for.

JR_Greenhorn
01-26-2005, 11:26 PM
Hmmm, it's always tough to nail down favourites, but what is rapidly becoming my favourite plane is Romanian

LEXX_Luthor
01-27-2005, 12:22 AM
I am Ussian myself (actually, Mississippiean), but flight simming is a way to escape and "get away" from the homefront to bizzare Alien worlds never before shown on teh Dogfighter Channel...


Top Fave is Russian MiG~3 and I~16
2nd Fave is German Bf~109 Emails and Females
3rd Fave is Italian CR.42
4rd Fave is Japanese Ki~43 and A6M2
5rd Fave is Brit Hurricane
6rd Fave is Ussian planes, and SBD makes a passable Flyable Su~2. http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_smile.gif


If Oleg makes 1950-1970 sim, then Top Fave plane is Mississippiean F~106 Delta Dart

World largest, and only, F~106 website~> http://www.f-106deltadart.com/ http://www.f-106deltadart.com/flash/indeximage-4.jpg

I Love the olde classical aviation concept of high speed high altitude interceptors, hence the MiG~3 favoritism.

woofiedog
01-27-2005, 01:57 AM
http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-happy.gif Favorite Aircraft...
1# A-20... New to my list.
2# Hurricane IIC
3# Mig Series
4# P-38... either one... and can these Birds do some Ground Pounding along with Flying.
5# Fiat 50
6# J8A or Fiat 42... Super for Online.
7# Ki-84 Series
8# P-40 Series
9# WildCat
10# Buffalo... still in my testing phase. But this Baby can Fly.

Tooz_69GIAP
01-27-2005, 02:05 AM
IL-2, I-16 and TB-3 (and the Pe-2 when we get it!!)

Russian Rox!!

ploughman
01-27-2005, 02:38 AM
Favourite aircraft in the game? Well, being a Brit it has to be one of these.

http://www.aeroflight.co.uk/types/uk/supermarine/spitfireI-III/spitfire.jpg

But my favourite German aircraft would have to be one of these

http://pages.zdnet.com/vancell/sitebuildercontent/sitebuilderpictures/spitgerx.jpg

...and my favourite American aircraft would be one of these.

http://members.aol.com/karrart/avpix/gal2/3spit.jpg

Favourite Russian air...I think you can guess where I'm going with this.

Oh, you mean American made, that Corsair thing. And I dooby do like that little I-16, easy to spin though. The German Bf 109-E is the business. Shame we haven't got Mk1b Spit, but there I go again. http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_smile.gif

Capt.LoneRanger
01-27-2005, 02:48 AM
Difficult to decide. I fly and love all planes, but some more, some less, of course.

Currently I'm trying to manage the P38, but my alltime-favourite is and will be the P40-series (including any Hawks).

nakamura_kenji
01-27-2005, 03:49 AM
1 A6M5
2 KI-43la
3 KI-63hei

ki-84 non skillful persons plane v_v look forward ki-100 ^_^

Buster82
01-27-2005, 03:58 AM
since my country of choice isn't there i voted for the british.
the spitfire to be more exact
but my alltime favorite plane is the dutch Fokker D.XXI

Stoke
01-27-2005, 04:24 AM
1. BF109 G6
2. B-239 Brewster
3. BF109 G2
4. A-20

Thats all.

Atomic_Marten
01-27-2005, 04:40 AM
I can't vote. I like Russian P39Q10 (yes that American aircraft that is modified by VVS) and Bf109.

GoToAway
01-27-2005, 05:40 AM
I can't really vote because my list of favored aircraft has no overwhelming winner.

My top 10:

#1: B-239
#2: I-16 Type 24
#3: Spit/Seafire (any. I'm more than willing to take any Spit against its Axis counterpart in any given timeframe)
#4: P-38L
#5: Hurricane Mk IIc (I also really like the b)
#6: La-5FN
#7: P-39Q
#8: Early A6Ms
#9: P-40B (I like them all, but the B is my favorite)
#10: P-51D

Given my ranking order, I'd say that I'm most partial to British and American planes.

The only German plane that I like at all is the 110. I can't stand the 109 or 190... I have never gotten used to the way that they feel.

Josto1963
01-27-2005, 06:21 AM
Waiting Italian "Serie 5" fighters (Macchi 205, Fiat G55, Reggiane 2005) I fly with the BF109!

Hi all

TgD Thunderbolt56
01-27-2005, 06:35 AM
My favorite depends on my mood. Usually, I have an idea of something I want to do...that will dictate the plane I prefer.

There are so many different birds with diverse endearing qualities that a specific favorite is hard for me to choose.

I have a few favorites though. (listed in NO particular order)

P-47 (fast, tough, can carry a ridiculous amount of ordnance)
La5 (any variant)
P-40 (probably the best gunplatform for the M2's ingame)
Il2 (this bird has grown on me since day one)
FW190 (A-4, 5, 6)


TB

WOLFMondo
01-27-2005, 07:17 AM
Can't put it down to country as I like quite a few from lots of different years.

A20G
P47-D27
P38
FW190D9
Fw190A9
Fw190A6
BF109F4
IL2 (early ones)
Beaufighter
P39N

I really like the 109F's at the minute for early war fights. nice plane to fly. A20 makes for a great dogfighter too in the right situation.

Iwatapt
01-27-2005, 07:20 AM
P-51D or its main antagonist, the Dora.

Maple_Tiger
01-27-2005, 07:36 AM
I'm Canadian, but I voted American. I still love the P-47, P-51, and P-38 the most.

hernanyork
01-27-2005, 07:45 AM
the more funy is g50 , and the more dificult the bf109e4, and i love all of planes in il2

Yimmy
01-27-2005, 07:51 AM
I voted American - as most of my favorites are American exports, such as the Tomahawk, P39/63, and Buffalo, but I also like the Hurricane IIB, and other early war aircraft.

Problem comes in when everyone else on a furball server is flying a F4U, Ki84 or P51.

Infamous_Troll
01-27-2005, 07:55 AM
Without a doubt mine is the P-38 h/j/l
Nowadys of the planes I fly...I like Moonies and King Airs and Beech type aeroplanes...but Diamond aircraft are nice too.

Trollet

Saburo_0
01-27-2005, 08:40 AM
Well, I voted Russian because it seems there are more Russian planes I like than any other nationality. Not because they are fantastic planes but because they are different & kinda new to me & offer a wacky variety! From the I-16 to the Mig 3 & IL2, to the beautiful flying dogfighters Yak & La's. Oh & the 2X 20mm in the nose of the La's has got to be my favorite armament package of all time!

The Spitfire is Lovely of course and I fly stuff from every country- this simm has such wonderful variety. http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif

chris455
01-27-2005, 08:47 AM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by Badsight.:
i didnt see a "Shinden" option . . . .

do you need pics ? <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

That would come under "Japanese" I think. http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-wink.gif
Actually, I bet you get that Shinden in the next patch. Good luck!

Engrs
01-27-2005, 04:14 PM
In no particular order.

G50
I-16
P40C
B239
Hurri Mk.I
Ki61
A20

SHMall35
01-27-2005, 04:33 PM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by 3.JG51_BigBear:
American. I'll admit it I'm a die hard Ami fan having been born and raised in the USA. I love the size and power of them. <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

I voted british, being a Brit....however I have always loved the P-51 Mustang, but again that had the Awesome British Merlin Engine....lol

Simon.

unseen84
01-27-2005, 07:36 PM
i voted american, but this is my list

1. Dauntless
2. Me 262
3. Stuka (except the G)
4. Wildcat
5. Spitfire
6. P-51
7. Me 109 (espially early variants)

thats all I can come up with now

Beirut
01-27-2005, 08:16 PM
British all the way. http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_cool.gif

All planes are fine as long as they have British markings.

Mostly fly...

IL2-Series 3
Hurricane
Beaufighter

Badsight.
01-27-2005, 11:21 PM
no one in this thread has a cool plane as their favourite

i do

a Way Cool plane (http://server5.uploadit.org/files/clippa-ShindenJ7W1backgood.jpg)

that there is what you call a cool plane

if it dont look like that , its a suck plane

WOLFMondo
01-28-2005, 02:46 AM
I only picked ones that are available in FB/PF and the D9 is a pretty cool plane:P.

Badsight.
01-28-2005, 03:02 AM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by WOLFMondo:
I only picked ones that are available in FB/PF :P. <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>
RUB IT IN WHY DONT YOU ! ! ! !

HotelBushranger
01-28-2005, 04:23 AM
Oooooh....

#1: P-40E, followed by P-40 C. But generally entire P-40 series.
#2: Gloster Gladiator. Mmmmm biplanes
#3: Perhaps Il-2m3
#4: B-24 Liberator
#4: Beaufighter
#5: Wirraway
#6: Perhaps a Cr. 42

Voted American coz of the Kittyhawk http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif

http://img190.exs.cx/img190/8135/p40pullingupwheels9ic.jpg

http://img190.exs.cx/img190/4661/kittyhawks7vp.jpg

http://img190.exs.cx/img190/8810/kittyhawksformation3bm.jpg

Sorry for the big pics, couln't help myself http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_razz.gif

Tobus75
01-28-2005, 05:05 AM
Wow, so many favorites:
1: P40E, because it's the P40E
2: Bf109g2/g6, because I rule in it (offline that is)
3: IL2 (all series) for groundpounding
4: A20G for groundpounding (just after IL2)
5: I-16, gotta love that ruggedness and manouvrability.
6: Mig3ud, everything sucks on this plane, but it looks sooooooo good
6: all other flyables

Von_Zero
01-28-2005, 05:32 AM
I voted German since was the closest i could choose... anyway, no matter if it is an 109 or a IAR81, i still use Romanian markings http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_smile.gif

Iron-Works
01-28-2005, 08:02 AM
I would say US.
1. P-40 way-cool but no tailhook
2. Hellcat kinda ugly/cute like a pug

Iron-Works
01-28-2005, 08:05 AM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by Iron-Works:
I would say US.
1. P-40 way-cool but no tailhook
2. Hellcat kinda ugly/cute like this......................&gt; <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

http://www.puppydogweb.com/gallery/pugs/pug_tabitha.jpg

flyplenty
01-28-2005, 01:56 PM
My favorite is the P-40E, definitely.

Aero_Shodanjo
01-28-2005, 09:19 PM
My fave plane's nationality? That's a kind of hard to answer...

But let's see...

American: F4U-1C
British: Spitfire Mk IXc
Russian: LA7 3x20mm
German: FW-109 A9
Japan: Ki-84 1B/1C

I consider them all as "balanced mix" between speed and maneuverability. Sure there are dozens which is faster or more maneuverable but I've found those listed above suit my style perfectly. With those you can do BnZ or TnB combat depending on the situation and the opponent.

And they're all 2 or more cannons equipped (ok, got to admit, my aim sucks, so seeing an enemy plane gets its wing ripped off from one or two short cannon burst bring some sort of assurance http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif).

civildog
01-28-2005, 11:22 PM
So many planes...so little time!!!

Russian: IL2m3/ I-16/ MiGs ..they are why I wanted the game in the first place when I bought the original IL-2

US: P-39-Q-10 / any P-40 but the B/C is my favorite...the B/C models are the reason I bought PF!

British: the Tempest/Typhoon isn't out yet
German: 109 Emils & G-6 Late/ FW 190A-8
Japanese: ANY Zero

flemsha
01-28-2005, 11:47 PM
I voted British, probably because I've been itching for Battle of Britain and flying early war Hurricanes vs Bf-109E's (even if the models aren't quite right for battle of britain).

My favorites by nation are:

Britain: Spitfire VIII, though that may change if we ever see a Typhoon, Tempest or Mosquito in the game http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/11.gif
USA: Well without its British engine the P-51 would have been... well... not the plane we all know and love, so I'll have to say P-40, she may not be pretty, she may not even fly that great, but you just gotta love her.
Russia: Umm... La-7, because it can.
Germany: Go-229 if we're going into the realms of impossibility, but for those that actually saw service the little salamander is hard to go past.
Japan: Ki-61, it looks cool, thats about all I can say.

LuftWulf190
01-29-2005, 11:13 AM
German: Fw-190A-6, Fw-190D-9, Bf-109G-10
Russian: I-16, Yak-3, Mig-3
Britian: Spitfire Mk VIII
United States: P-51B/C and D
Japan: Ki-61IIb, A6M3, Ki-44 &lt;---(This should be in the game!)

robertmeyer1968
01-31-2005, 11:18 PM
P-51D Hands down the winner in real life. In the game I like the P-51D and the P-38. Top Allied Ace in the Pacific was a P-38 Driver named Richard Bong. USAAF

Pilven_Veikko
02-03-2005, 12:23 AM
As a Finn: B-239. Otherwise it's a close call between Spit IX and P-38L. At the moment my absolute favorite is P-38L. I just love it's climbing abilities and possibility to outrun almost anything.
Spitfire is by far the best looking plane of them all.

GerritJ9
02-03-2005, 02:16 AM
All-time favourite is the Brewster Buffalo (in ML-KNIL skin of course!), so my vote is American. But I also like and fly:
Favourite Soviet: I-153, I-16 and MiG-3.
Favourite British: Gloster Gladiator, Hawker Hurricane IIB.
Favourite Japanese: Mr. Kawasaki's finest (well, not quite..... H1 and H2 are Mr. Kawasaki's finest http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif), i.e. Ki-61.
Favourite German: Me109-F.

RickRuski
02-03-2005, 02:56 AM
I don't think that anyone can compare aircraft that vary by more than 2 years( 1939--1941) (1942--1944 ) etc. The difference in performance
with development over the war years is too great. The plane that I fell in love with and still consider one of my favorites is:-

Il2-series 3 1941 single seater.

I'm a kiwi so have no loyalties to either or. The Sturmovik to me is still the best allround
aircraft in this sim bar none

dgaggi
02-03-2005, 08:47 AM
Machi C.205 Veltro! http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/25.gif We need it!

Yimmy
02-03-2005, 08:50 AM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by dgaggi:
Machi C.205 Veltro! http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/25.gif We need it! <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

To that I fully agree.
That was the one based round the German 109 engine - with the 3 x 20mm's and 2 x .50 cals right?

hawkmeister
02-03-2005, 10:10 AM
Being an American, my favs all tend to be... yeah. All P-40s, P-400/P-39D-1, all Corsairs. But my passion for planes not US are all Japanese - Ki-61 and Ki-44 are my favs. So I voted for the Japanese.

-Bill

KRISTORF
02-03-2005, 10:12 AM
Gotta be the Spit VIII, shame the sound not as inspiring as the plane but who cares.

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v320/Kristorf/ss157.jpg

Yimmy
02-03-2005, 10:51 AM
Im not a fan of the Spitfire... probably because -everybody- loves it... it's almost as if it's common.

notgoodknight
02-03-2005, 09:17 PM
the best online pilots have mastered all planes of all nationalities and do not display bias.

fordfan25
02-03-2005, 09:25 PM
WHAT??????? no option for AIRWOLF? this thread is BS. lol. i voted USA.

heywooood
02-03-2005, 10:02 PM
still bangin' on that ol' pan, ford..errmm Airwolf fan?....

by the way - hows that sweet Chevette running these days?..

ImpStarDuece
02-03-2005, 10:12 PM
British; Spitfire I or Typhoon with the bubble hood ( C i think).
Russian; Tu-2, great plane, hope it gets made flyable
Italian; Machi MC 205 Velto, lines like a greyhound, bites like a bull mastif.
Japanese; Ki-45 one of the smoothest, most refined looking planes of the war, almost a shame to hang guns off it.
American; P-47, im a long time Jug Thug and have a permament soft spot for this big old beast. However the FM-2 wilder wildcat is rapidly climbing my list. It spins, it turns, it dives, its early war-ish.
German; 190. Compact, efficient, brutish looking. It just screams "Killer"
Other; not in the game but the CAC Boomerang 'Emergency Fighter' has always done it for me. Short, stubby, slow, radial engined bird with very good manouverability, fair firepower and a very tough reputation.

DIRTY-MAC
02-04-2005, 04:53 AM
Russian: the Kochyerigin Dl-6

English: the Westland Whirlwind
and the Tempest

USA: the CW-21B Demon/Interseptor
and the P-43 Lancer

German: the BF109 and the Heinkel He 219

SWEDISH! : the SAAB J21

Italian: the G55 and the Re 2000

Japanese: Mr Jack and Mr George

tigertalon
02-04-2005, 07:44 AM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by GoToAway:
I can't really vote because my list of favored aircraft has no overwhelming winner.

My top 10:

#1: B-239
#2: I-16 Type 24
#3: Spit/Seafire (any. I'm more than willing to take any Spit against its Axis counterpart in any given timeframe)
#4: P-38L
#5: Hurricane Mk IIc (I also really like the b)
#6: La-5FN
#7: P-39Q
#8: Early A6Ms
#9: P-40B (I like them all, but the B is my favorite)
#10: P-51D

Given my ranking order, I'd say that I'm most partial to British and American planes.

The only German plane that I like at all is the 110. I can't stand the 109 or 190... I have never gotten used to the way that they feel. <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

It was the same with me, but now I love them. Exellent B&Zers.

I voted German.
List:
1. Fw190D9 44
2. Ta152H
3. Bf109G2
4. Fw190A5
5. Yak9U
6. P38
7. J8A
8. Il2 series

womenfly
02-04-2005, 07:57 AM
I love all the Polish aircraft and of course the American ones too.

But does anyone feel a little guilty or a slight sick feeling in the pit of their stomach when, fly an axis aircraft, you shoot down an American airplane ..... I do.

To much immersion maybe?

Love them all .... Womenfly2 http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/heart.gif

Yimmy
02-04-2005, 07:59 AM
Nah, I get great satisfaction in shooting down an American aircraft.... I mean, they have been kicking other peoples asses for so long, I reckon it's 'bout time they got theirs kicked! http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif

womenfly
02-04-2005, 08:53 AM
OUCH!

http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/353.gif My 25 year old son just came back from Iraq after a years tour, crew chief in Blackhawks, I hope all his efforts did some good. He has nigthmares now. To much for anyone to go through ... "war, what is it good for."

Womenfly2 http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/heart.gif

cwojackson
02-04-2005, 04:32 PM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by womenfly:
OUCH!

http://www.wasp-wwii.org/wasp/images/fifinell.gif

http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/353.gif My 25 year old son just came back from Iraq after a years tour, crew chief in Blackhawks, I hope all his efforts did some good. He has nigthmares now. To much for anyone to go through ... "war, what is it good for."

Womenfly2 http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/heart.gif <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>Glad that your Crew Chief made it home okay. Hat's off to him and all Blackhawk crews, the best helo we'ver ever deployed.

As for the good his efforts did, I think we saw that with the purple fingers the other day. Without all of our brave men and women in the Army, Air Force, Navy, Marines and Coast Guard those purple fingers would not have been possible.

airdale1960
02-12-2005, 08:19 AM
Forgive me, I've always loved an underdog: LaGG-3, with Force feedback it just feels good.

Indianer.
02-12-2005, 09:00 AM
i love the P40 but could not bring myself to vote american http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/88.gif

heywooood
02-12-2005, 10:03 AM
lately?....because it keeps changeing all the time....that is the beauty of this sim. http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-wink.gif

Cr42 Gladiator Bf110 'Sair and these tubby 'lil
crates...
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v250/heywooood/wildcats.jpg

Buzzsaw-
02-12-2005, 10:44 AM
Salute

Favourites? That depends on whether you speak of sentimental favourites or practical favourites.

Sentimental favourites: (these are planes which are not nessesarily the best, but which I get the biggest kick out of winning in http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif )

Hurricane I
P-47D-10
I-16 Type 18 (the more historically numerous I-16)

Practical favourites: (these are planes which I feel I can beat any other aircraft when I am flying them)

P-51D20
Spitfire IXE LF
FW190D9

Saburo_0
02-12-2005, 11:40 AM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by womenfly:
OUCH!

http://www.wasp-wwii.org/wasp/images/fifinell.gif

http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/353.gif My 25 year old son just came back from Iraq after a years tour, crew chief in Blackhawks, I hope all his efforts did some good. He has nigthmares now. To much for anyone to go through ... "war, what is it good for."

Womenfly2 http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/heart.gif <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

OT too,
Wish your son all the best!
Not my place to say, but sometimes it can be hard to admit ya need help or ask for it. A lot of people, heck most people have that experience. Support from people who understand is important. Dealing with it alone is much harder & can disrupt your life more. Even if you don't need help to deal with it it's a good idea.
Just saying because a family member had a rough time as there weren't many near him who understood & he could talk to.

Hopefully something Very Good will come of all this, and he will feel proud to have been a part of it. Even if -worst case scenario- it all falls apart, he worked & sacrificed to try to make the world a better place. That takes character.

PS. gotta love the Wasps!