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Sokol__1
02-21-2006, 04:35 PM
I Think that this circuit interests the SIM community.
To create "button boxes", quadrants, trims, etc.
Useful to relive old joysticks, like TM F16/22, RCS, Suncom Talon, CHs gameporte.
Is a HID device he uses native drivers of the SO, not programmable, it works as Direct X buttons.

http://www.lbodnar.dsl.pipex.com/joystick/board3.jpg
Not expensive. Sweets not include. http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_wink.gif

http://www.lbodnar.dsl.pipex.com/joystick/index.html

Samples of use:
http://img255.imageshack.us/my.php?image=throttlequad9fc.jpg%5B

http://www.flyfoxy.com/pit/Panel1.jpg

Sokol1

Sokol__1
02-21-2006, 04:35 PM
I Think that this circuit interests the SIM community.
To create "button boxes", quadrants, trims, etc.
Useful to relive old joysticks, like TM F16/22, RCS, Suncom Talon, CHs gameporte.
Is a HID device he uses native drivers of the SO, not programmable, it works as Direct X buttons.

http://www.lbodnar.dsl.pipex.com/joystick/board3.jpg
Not expensive. Sweets not include. http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_wink.gif

http://www.lbodnar.dsl.pipex.com/joystick/index.html

Samples of use:
http://img255.imageshack.us/my.php?image=throttlequad9fc.jpg%5B

http://www.flyfoxy.com/pit/Panel1.jpg

Sokol1

p-11.cAce
02-21-2006, 04:52 PM
I'm in the process of planning my home pit - thank you very much for sharing the information!

Akronnick
02-21-2006, 05:14 PM
Very interesting.

shotdownski
02-21-2006, 06:29 PM
Thanks for the link, looks like a very useful device.

HelSqnProtos
02-22-2006, 01:41 AM
S~! Sokol

Very Very Nice!!

I would really like to build a trim box for my prop pitch, fuel mixture ect..... someone had built one a while back and posted pics but I can't find it. This circuit is JUST THE BUSINESS
http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/agreepost.gif

rnzoli
02-22-2006, 02:17 AM
Great news. I was always looking for something like this. http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/11.gif

Two comments.

1. High accuracy. This sweety has a 10-bit high precision converter inside (1024 dicrete positions for 1 axis). This is 4 times better resolution than the normal commercial joysticks, e.g., MS SideWinder Precision 2 has 8-bit resolution, 256 discrete positions. As such, it is an overkill for trimming and throttle (but doesn't harm either, of course). The ultimate accuracy of the stick will also be dependent on the quality of angle sensors (pots, Hall-effect cells, optical etc.)

2. Force Feedback.
I would love to connect my home-built joystick mechanics to this circuit, but this circuit doesn't have FFB. I was thinking about setting up IL2 in such way, that the primary controller will be my throttle/trim-block with a low-precision FFB stick, the secondary controller will be the pitch/roll/rudder axis with this high precision, but no FFB circuit, and the motors of the FFB on the secondary controller will cross-connected and driven from the circuits of the primary controller (throttle/trim). There is no need for FFB on throttle/trim, so it would control the motors on the other, main stick. I am just wondering, would it work? http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/blink.gif

Capt.LoneRanger
02-22-2006, 04:04 AM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content"> Sweets are not included. </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/88.gif

Sounds great and the price really makes it an option.

triggerhappyfin
02-22-2006, 04:36 AM
HProtos!

Easiest and cheapest way to make a trimbox is to use the gameport interface.

Three axis, four buttons w rudder anabled gives you - 4 axis and 4 buttons. I´ve made a such box some two years ago and now with the need of trimming so much more present in the game, I cant imagine how to cope without.

SweetMonkeyLuv
02-22-2006, 08:40 AM
There a good site out there somewhere with collections of guides and pics of folks' homebuilt rigs?

rnzoli
02-22-2006, 09:45 AM
Try this for a start.
http://www.flightsim.com/cgi/kds?$=main/howto/mind.htm
and
http://www.mindaugas.com/projects/MJoy/

I did some research about a year ago and these things were fragmented all over the internet. Googling with 'home built joystick' will help to get lots of hints, but no structure, some are for consoles, many sticks use the simple gameport interface, lots of outdates stuff etc.

triggerhappyfin
02-22-2006, 01:19 PM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by rnzoli:
Try this for a start.
http://www.flightsim.com/cgi/kds?$=main/howto/mind.htm
and
http://www.mindaugas.com/projects/MJoy/

I did some research about a year ago and these things were fragmented all over the internet. Googling with 'home built joystick' will help to get lots of hints, but no structure, some are for consoles, many sticks use the simple gameport interface, lots of outdates stuff etc. </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

Mindaugas dont seem to answer on mails.
Anybody out there who´s built Mindaugas gadget?

Sokol__1
02-22-2006, 06:41 PM
I found many references to Mindaugas (A Lithuania guy) MJoy16 in Internet, but the only pratical use of this circuit, it was in the Russian forum AviaForum. The user 'Catfish' converted a TM F16 for USB.

AFAIK- This is now sold (buid) only by www.fly-by-night.de (http://www.fly-by-night.de)
http://www.fly-by-night.de/index.php?option=com_content...view&id=25&Itemid=32 (http://www.fly-by-night.de/index.php?option=com_content&task=view&id=25&Itemid=32)
http://www.fly-by-night.de/index.php?option=com_virtuem...egory_id=2&Itemid=45 (http://www.fly-by-night.de/index.php?option=com_virtuemart&page=shop.browse&category_id=2&Itemid=45)

But for D.Y.I. the project is free.

Sokol1

GreyFox5
02-22-2006, 07:54 PM
Excellent find! Where can you find this product on the web for sale?

strewth
02-22-2006, 08:09 PM
I will have to have another look, but one of my wholesalers I think have a USB kit with digital and analogue inputs. I will see if I can find out more.

strewth
02-22-2006, 08:13 PM
Found it.

For those in Oz

USB Experimenter's Interface Kit

Interface your computer to the real world with this sophisticated USB Kit. There are five digital inputs to monitor the state of external switches or controls and two variable gain analogue inputs that can be connected to sensors and used for measuring temperature, humidity, voltage, current, & other variable parameters. Eight digital and two analogue outputs are available for controlling external equipment. The kit is supplied with all components, silk screened PCB, assembly manual, and software. PCB measures 145 x 87mm.
Specifications:
* 5 Digital inputs
* 2 Analogue inputs with variable gain and integrated counters
* Analogue input range 0 to 5VDC
* 8 Open collector digital outputs
* 2 Analogue outputs PWM or 0 to 5VDC
* On-board test buttons for inputs and LED
* USB powered
* Win98SE or above (Not NT)

strewth
02-23-2006, 01:00 AM
The price = approx au$69-00

And the pic

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v623/strewth/IL2FBPF/productLarge_8745.jpg

Tully__
02-23-2006, 03:06 AM
CH Products do one too... I think you can get programmable drivers for theirs.

http://www.chproducts.com/oem_flash/misc_usbkit.html

Sokol__1
02-23-2006, 07:05 AM
Another kits, joysticks oriented:

USBAxes: 5 axis, 24 buttons.
http://www.opencockpits.com/modules.php?name=get_iocards

Plasma Lite V2: 8 axis, 2 HAT, 3 encoder, 24 buttons ...
Plasma V2: 16 axis, 4 HATS, 2 trim, 60 buttons ...
http://www.betainnovations.com/

Sokol1

F16_Neo
02-23-2006, 07:31 AM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by triggerhappyfin:
Mindaugas dont seem to answer on mails.
Anybody out there who´s built Mindaugas gadget? </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

I calculated the cost for the MJoy16 + addon I/O connection board, and it would be about 100" in components iirc (www.elfa.se)...
The kit in Sokol's post seems to be a cheaper but equal choice.

Btw, I recently tried the J35-Draken-simulator http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_cool.gif at V¤ster¥s Flygmuseum, they told me they were using Mjoy for it...

triggerhappyfin
02-23-2006, 08:04 AM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by Sokol__1:
I found many references to Mindaugas (A Lithuania guy) MJoy16 in Internet, but the only pratical use of this circuit, it was in the Russian forum AviaForum. The user 'Catfish' converted a TM F16 for USB.

AFAIK- This is now sold (buid) only by www.fly-by-night.de (http://www.fly-by-night.de)
http://www.fly-by-night.de/index.php?option=com_content...view&id=25&Itemid=32 (http://www.fly-by-night.de/index.php?option=com_content&task=view&id=25&Itemid=32)
http://www.fly-by-night.de/index.php?option=com_virtuem...egory_id=2&Itemid=45 (http://www.fly-by-night.de/index.php?option=com_virtuemart&page=shop.browse&category_id=2&Itemid=45)

<span class="ev_code_YELLOW">But for D.Y.I. the project is free.</span>

Sokol1 </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

<span class="ev_code_YELLOW">Yes it´s free allright, but I´ve built the circuit, Get the program into the ram of the IC but stuck on this point. And no support what so ever. The main thing with Mindaugas Mjoy is the ability to code different outputs on switches off and on.
As it is now I´ve shelved the project and as I´ve resently upgraded from Saitek x-36 usb to X-45 the new plan is to take the boards of the x-36 and use them for axis and buttons. Thereby achieving the programmability of Saitek sticks.

Counting the costs of such a project using either a usb unit as the usb controller presented here or Mjoy versus a used X-? stick to get electronics from, the balance of pros and cons of these variants is quite even. Add the SST program to X-? board and there´s the winner! Picking apart a scrapped stick gives you some hardware in form off pots and breakers too.

Holy cow..99Euro for the card and shipment..for that kind of money I could use inmates of a brand new X-45 as a controllcard and get a way better flexibility in use to different sims!

</span>

Sokol__1
02-24-2006, 08:11 AM
Triggerhappyfin,

Very good suggestion. Saitek sold refusbished X-45 very cheap.
This is common placing the X-45 circuit in base of X-45 throtle for increasing this buttons capacity. Like this:

http://forums.ubi.com/eve/forums/a/tpc/f/49310655/m...451027783#7451027783 (http://forums.ubi.com/eve/forums/a/tpc/f/49310655/m/7211046783/r/7451027783#7451027783)

What makes this option interesting or not is how much costs the X-45 in local store.

The circuit of lbonar in hands would cost me 39,99U$.

A used X-45, when found localy, cost me ~160,00 U$. To import one would cost 200U$ of shiping, plus 60% of local fees.

The X of the question is where part of the world you live. http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_smile.gif

Sokol1

triggerhappyfin
02-24-2006, 09:12 AM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Sokol1 </div></BLOCKQUOTE>
Hey Sokol!

I´ve recently bought my self a brand new x-45 that cost me 745 SEK, about 90 us$.(to replace my old x-36, witch is electrically ok yet but worn down otherwise). Here in Sweden those sticks goes for half that price on the secondhand market. I quess your right about my stand of view depends on the geografical location.
As the X-36/45 electronics boards are straight forward and well marked it should, together with the SST program make them interesting to use as a base for a mod. The reason I´ve come to think about it is the fact I, my self, plan to make use of my old x-36 in that way.