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SeaFireLIV
06-13-2005, 05:09 PM
Had a great Campaign Mission earlier today.

I`m no2 wingman in a six-pack of Spitfires flying over the Crimea protecting an area from a possible air raid. We were high at around 4000 metres.

My leader spotted four bogeys on our high 12 and I fell in behind him. The 109s shot past us at high speed. We broke up and over, I felt my aircraft wobbling as it rolled out and down.

I came round and lost my leader - lost the first 2 bogies as well, but saw the other 3 Spitfires splitting up and being attacked by another 4 diving 109s firing as they struck.

One Spitfire sped by below me in a long arc twirling over and over, the pilot screaming. There was something graceful about his flipping plane as it rolled over and down in a curve.

It was a beautiful balletic chaos as Spits and 109s flew all over the sky above the layer of thick white clouds. A 109 curved up and over, stalling at the top to be struck by a Spit`s guns and trailing fire. Another aircraft curved back across the sky leaving a thick trail of smoke as it went down through the thick overcast clouds.

No one was chasing me, or so I thought. Blue tracer passed above me and to the right, I twisted the stick and barrel-rolled to the left and down, looking behind me while simultaneously calling for help. I heard the `thrack!thrack!` of shells hitting my aircaft as I dived. Almost immediately, my Leader was on him and he broke away.

Something was up with my controls as the Spit reacted sluggishly, behind me a white trail flowed. I decided to head back to base, leaving the furball behind me.

The Tower gave me the go ahead to land just as my fuel ran out. I was worried, but found that the torque actually quit on me and I was able to glide without much trouble. With careful judgement of the rudder and vertical trim I lined up. Gears down, flaps, slight nose up and she touched down with a slight squelch of the tyres (yep a different sound to the heavy screech). Flaps up, gentle braking and she turned off to a stop.

Funny. I didn`t kill anything, but between the FMs and watching the dogfight the whole thing felt like one of the most realistic sorties I`ve ever had.

Just my 2 bits. http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_smile.gif Perhaps you guys have experiences?

SeaFireLIV
06-13-2005, 05:09 PM
Had a great Campaign Mission earlier today.

I`m no2 wingman in a six-pack of Spitfires flying over the Crimea protecting an area from a possible air raid. We were high at around 4000 metres.

My leader spotted four bogeys on our high 12 and I fell in behind him. The 109s shot past us at high speed. We broke up and over, I felt my aircraft wobbling as it rolled out and down.

I came round and lost my leader - lost the first 2 bogies as well, but saw the other 3 Spitfires splitting up and being attacked by another 4 diving 109s firing as they struck.

One Spitfire sped by below me in a long arc twirling over and over, the pilot screaming. There was something graceful about his flipping plane as it rolled over and down in a curve.

It was a beautiful balletic chaos as Spits and 109s flew all over the sky above the layer of thick white clouds. A 109 curved up and over, stalling at the top to be struck by a Spit`s guns and trailing fire. Another aircraft curved back across the sky leaving a thick trail of smoke as it went down through the thick overcast clouds.

No one was chasing me, or so I thought. Blue tracer passed above me and to the right, I twisted the stick and barrel-rolled to the left and down, looking behind me while simultaneously calling for help. I heard the `thrack!thrack!` of shells hitting my aircaft as I dived. Almost immediately, my Leader was on him and he broke away.

Something was up with my controls as the Spit reacted sluggishly, behind me a white trail flowed. I decided to head back to base, leaving the furball behind me.

The Tower gave me the go ahead to land just as my fuel ran out. I was worried, but found that the torque actually quit on me and I was able to glide without much trouble. With careful judgement of the rudder and vertical trim I lined up. Gears down, flaps, slight nose up and she touched down with a slight squelch of the tyres (yep a different sound to the heavy screech). Flaps up, gentle braking and she turned off to a stop.

Funny. I didn`t kill anything, but between the FMs and watching the dogfight the whole thing felt like one of the most realistic sorties I`ve ever had.

Just my 2 bits. http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_smile.gif Perhaps you guys have experiences?

HamishUK
06-13-2005, 05:14 PM
I prefer getting my **** kicked by real pilots.

http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-surprised.gif

SeaFireLIV
06-13-2005, 05:19 PM
That`s nice.

CKY_86
06-13-2005, 05:41 PM
thats a nice storie seafire http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/25.gif

i had a similer expireince testing the new spit & fm up against a 109e, & i do agree the offline dogfights are MUCH more realistic, the 109 was twisting & turning all over as i tried to get a shot at him

FoolTrottel
06-13-2005, 05:53 PM
Immersion can and will come from both sides! http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-wink.gif

Nice one, I can relate to that, I do love the offline play!

arcadeace
06-13-2005, 05:55 PM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by HamishUK:
I prefer getting my **** kicked by real pilots.

http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-surprised.gif </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

Yes, its mama's fun http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-sad.gif This old lady had to reduce the strength of my enemy AI in home made missions; and I enjoy what had become a meaningless quick mission builder, again http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/35.gif

DarkBlueMan
06-13-2005, 06:01 PM
Just shows how realistic this sim can be. Your story could almost be a real fighter pilots account Seafire. It was a worthy read!

blakduk
06-13-2005, 06:07 PM
SeaFireLIV- well written dude http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/25.gif
That's what i love about this sim, even the apparently mundane encounters can be quite immersive. Kills are great, but surival is better.

FeiHu
06-13-2005, 06:41 PM
Great story,well told. http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_smile.gifI find offline play just as much fun as online,imo.

Old_Canuck
06-13-2005, 07:14 PM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by FeiHu:
Great story,well told. http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_smile.gifI find offline play just as much fun as online,imo. </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

Great story, Seafire. I was having a real immersive chase in a G6 today against an ace Mig that must have run out of ammo because he was doing everything to evade. Really cool when they drag you between the chimneys eh? Then the wife busted my immersion bubble with "C'MON it's time to go to work." Will set that mission up again tonight maybe.

The attractions of online play are the possible commaradarie and the heightened challenge of tangling with unpredictable real people but one can't deny there are some very immersive moments offline too.

Hendley
06-13-2005, 08:25 PM
Yeah, great story. Have to agree that this new patch and FM has got me back into the offline campaigns.

If you want to be reminded about the heart and soul of this sim, drive one of those early Russian birds over the steppes of the Crimea and just enjoy the shadows of the clouds on the ground...

Grey_Mouser67
06-13-2005, 08:28 PM
The AI has different behavior for sure...seems like more B&Z and I'm having a harder time staying on top of them. I'd also say it is easier to evade them in dive...which is good...no more terminator aim.

On the down side they still steal your kills. I am suprised Oleg hasn't addressed this...another negative feature that really affects gameplay and immersion. I don't care if my throttle knob is supposed to be yellow instead of red, but i do care if the FM, DM or AI is correct from a relative standpoint.

VW-IceFire
06-13-2005, 09:04 PM
The new FM definately gives everything a very smooth and interesting feel to it. Everything flows along now...there isn't too many jerky manuevers anymore...even online.

I was chasing a 109 in a Mustang Mark III on WarClouds and for a few brief seconds I was on his tail and firing. I totally missed him (it was a high speed attack). But he was manuevering about and it was very graceful...just something about how the planes roll and move through the air.

Its a very impressive feel now that never existed before. Once we all come to grips with it...things will be great.

civildog
06-13-2005, 09:29 PM
My squadmates and I have been flying in a few of the online campaigns against the AI to sharpen our comms and tactics.

On several missions we have had some really good eperiences that keep us saying "wow". Sometimes the only thing lacking is the John Williams soundtrack.

Some missions we go up and almost feel sorry for the poor kids we gun down without even trying. The poor LW guys flail around and never fire a shot even when they get the chance to. It's like we are fighting a bunch of scared wet students fresh from glider school. Next mission we are lucky to survive, let alone have any planes to land as the schoolmasters come out to play.

In the last few missions we have been experimenting with "Wild Weasel" type anti-flak tactics to plow the road for the strike bombers. My wingman and I had blasted the flakwagons of two convoys to Valhalla and were headed north to hunt for a third while leaving the the trucks to the strike 'viks to pick off.

We didn't find any and turned south to see how the others were doing when suddenly all heck broke loose as 8 109's came out of nowhere. The escorts tried their best but it was no borscht for them that day. Smoke trails were everywhere and my fellow IL2 pilots were scattering to get away while the last of the Lavochkins was screaming for help.

As I pulled up from 40 meters behind the leader of the second element a 109 popped up right in front of me and started pounding on his tail. I reflexively smashed down on the trigger and the 109 vanished in shrapnel and flame. Some of it hit my plane as I passed through but didn't damage it.

We wheeled south and ran for the hills hoping to lose the 109's in the terrain but were picked up by 3 of them. One got too close to my tail for comfort and I gunned him down from the back seat. He tore up my wing a bit, but I was still ok.

One of the other Germans turned around and went home for some reason, but the last one dove down on my squaddie's 'vic from behind. We were just coming up on a ridgetop when I fired a long burst into the 109. It broke in half and tumbled into the ridgtop just as I passed over it at about 30-50 meters (I wasn't paying as much attention to the altitude as I should have).

The 109 exploded against the ridge and that plus the debris was like having a bomb go off under my wings. Both wings were holed, the engine was sounding bad, and there was smoke and fuel coming out of my plane.

When I made it to an alternate base I found that not only would my flaps not work, but my gear wouldn't even come down manually. I got clearance from the tower and made a straight in landing with the engine off. At first it looked like I would make it as my plane skidded down the runway on it's belly, but it caught something and flipped tail-over-nose and exploded.

My Hero of the Soviet Union medal no doubt went to my mother who weeps for her fallen son, now ashes blowing across the steppe.

Yeah, during missions like that I don't mind losing a pilot. It's only when I'm vulched to death for the third time in a row by some smacktard online that it bugs me.

bird_brain
06-13-2005, 10:09 PM
Reminds me of a little thread right after patch 2.01 ...
http://forums.ubi.com/eve/forums/a/tpc/f/23110283/m/2491.../249100524#249100524 (http://forums.ubi.com/eve/forums/a/tpc/f/23110283/m/249100524/r/249100524#249100524)

alert_1
06-14-2005, 01:47 AM
Yes, offline is now much more enjoable then before. Last night I try Ki100 against P38L just to boost my ego little in the new FM. Boys I was wrong! Ki100 is nice agile fighter but problem was the P38s was not in mood to play my game and turn with me at all http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif. They just kept B&Z me ti the bitter end http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_smile.gif
GOOD JOB Oleg and crew!

WTE_Ibis
06-14-2005, 02:19 AM
Nice to see a positive thread among all the negativety.Good story m8.

ImpStarDuece
06-14-2005, 02:32 AM
I was at one stage an exclusively offline pilot. Was that way for about 2 years until I got a decent Broadband set up.

I got on line and started flying full real servers almost immediately. Those 2 years flying offline made me feel like a shark among minnows. I would trundle up to 6000m i a P-47 and dawdle around at 400 kph indicated. I would spot some dots below and come screaming in at 750 kph, make a pass or two and then resume perch. Rarely, I would meet some equally high flying 190D9 or 109K4 and that was usually about the best fun that would have, dogfighting at 6000 to 8000m.

It felt easier to get kills online than it did offline. I rarely had to engage at a disadvantage, could escape easier when I was and usually had more help to call on, even if it is usually not much more effective than the AI. So after about 6 months I turned into a 50/50 player.

Most of the time I download and play some of the excllent static campaigns that the community has created. Between the better blance, superior mission design, lack of morons whining in the chat bar and no ping kicks, I enjoy the challenge of offline sorties as much as I do online flying. For me it's different; more immersive and more challenging but less engaging as a game.

Ankanor
06-14-2005, 02:59 AM
Kinda reminds me of a mission well in the past. the 4 of us in FW190A-4 were ordered to clear the way for the bomber wave, so we appear above the target, 4000 m, to find 4 I-16 at 3000 flying lazy circles in a really tight formation. Just as I was going to bark "all fighters attack", number 3 broke formation and went down in a shallow dive. I cursed him, then I followed. In front of me, Number 3 picked up speed , aiming at the rightmost "ugly". Just as I thought he would ram it, number 3 opened fire, dead 6 o'clock. He couldn't have missed, the I-16 lost a wing and flipped over, exploding the in the next moment. Number 3 missed the debris by a slight margin, rolling left behind the leader and blasting him point blank, going through the fireball and up. I aimed at the 3rd ugly and at 100m got him with the whole burst. Flame and smoke and debris flew by me as I pulled up. Behind me my wingman smoked the last one, the pilot jumping almost right away. The I-16 never understood what hit them. As I pulled up, I felt cold sweat wetting my back. 4 LaGGs above us...