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AFJ_Locust
01-30-2006, 02:44 PM
So for a two month period there 'might' have been some (probably a lot less than 79), if indeed any K-4 using 1.98ata. That would make it if introduced one of, if not the rarest bird in the war. There were ALOT MORE 109G10AS why didnt we get that instead of a fantasy 1.98Ata

NOW WE WILL SEE IT IN THE SIM ALL THE TIME?

That is not reality

also the do335 a-0 it was not realy part of ww2 in any way? It was a experimental ac Yet now they will be in the sim?

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AFJ_Locust
01-30-2006, 02:44 PM
So for a two month period there 'might' have been some (probably a lot less than 79), if indeed any K-4 using 1.98ata. That would make it if introduced one of, if not the rarest bird in the war. There were ALOT MORE 109G10AS why didnt we get that instead of a fantasy 1.98Ata

NOW WE WILL SEE IT IN THE SIM ALL THE TIME?

That is not reality

also the do335 a-0 it was not realy part of ww2 in any way? It was a experimental ac Yet now they will be in the sim?

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AFJ_Locust
01-30-2006, 02:47 PM
Spit XII won't be introduced because the last thing the germans needs is a low alt Griffon engined Spit screaming around.

Yes there were only 100 made but all were operational (more than 109k4 1.98ata, and the TA-152)

whats up ?????????

carguy_
01-30-2006, 03:04 PM
YES NOW WE LUFTWAFFLES WILL RULE THE SKIES SHOOTING YOU P38 FANTACY N00BS!!!!!!!!!1 http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/784.gif

JG53Frankyboy
01-30-2006, 03:08 PM
we will give your Spitfire VIII a good show with the MC205 http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif



well, ranting about two planes of 10 new flyables ..................... a little but way off, isnt it ?
even if im also no big fan of these two german "wonder" planes. but i doubt we will see them often online - and they are for free http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif

LEBillfish
01-30-2006, 03:08 PM
Quitting again even BEFORE you know what all the changes are?

AFJ_Locust
01-30-2006, 03:09 PM
p38 was not an expermental ac

It was built in large numbers very large

what are you talking about ?

WAKE UP!!!

AFJ_Locust
01-30-2006, 03:10 PM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by JG53Frankyboy:
we will give your Spitfire VIII a good show with the MC205 http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif



well, ranting about two planes of 10 new flyables ..................... a little but way off, isnt it ?
even if im also no big fan of these two german "wonder" planes. but i doubt we will see them often online - and they are for free http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

LOL

SlickStick
01-30-2006, 03:16 PM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by JG53Frankyboy:
we will give your Spitfire VIII a good show with the MC205 http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

Nah, the Macci's will still be too slow and have nowhere near the performance at altitude that a Mk. VIII has. http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-wink.gif

They will be hispano fodder much like the Ki-61, any Zero, any Ki-84, any La-7, any Yak-3 and any FW now in V4.02.

http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/784.gif

Although, V4.03 might bring new best. I'll have to wait for the results to be in after a few weeks of flying the patch online.

russ.nl
01-30-2006, 03:19 PM
Tuse a realistic server and stop biatching!

AFJ_Locust
01-30-2006, 03:20 PM
Time and time again ac that had no part of ww2 are introduced into the sim, why ?

While ac like B17, B25 variants, Blackwidow and many many more get left out. You guys alwayes spouting on about reality but this is not reality.

TA152 VERY RARE
Do-335A-0 EXPERIMENTAL
Bf-109K4 C3 1.98Ata VERY RARE MAYBE 50 ?
Bf-109Z EXPERIMENTAL
I85M71 RARE

Ya Its all about the reality isint it.

VW-IceFire
01-30-2006, 03:21 PM
Forget those two...Tempest!!!!!! and Mosqutio! And hopefully some fixes to the flight models so the Mustang is good again. That'd be pretty good...those Bf109K-4 with 1.98ATA can try and run away and then watch as their engines explode http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif

AFJ_Locust
01-30-2006, 03:23 PM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by russ.nl:
Tuse a realistic server and stop biatching! </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

Yes I will be flying in realistic planeset servers

THATS NOT THE POINT

I want ac to be developed that we can fly in realistic servers.

not experimental or ultra rare ac that never seen a df or drop a bomb.

apparentaly you dont get it

ImpStarDuece
01-30-2006, 03:25 PM
http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_rolleyes.gif

Wow, complaining about aircraft BEFORE we've even flown them in the patch.

If your worried about 'balance' then just look at the dates when the 1.98 ATA K4 became available: March <span class="ev_code_YELLOW">1945</span>. Yes, thats right. The 1.98 ATA rating was available for a whole 2 months at the end of the war. So, unlike the Tempest V, Mustang III, Spitfire +25 lbs, P-47D or P-38L Late, its useless for anything but last ditch, end of the war type scenarios.

Similar story with the anteater. The first Allied encounters with them were reported in early April, 1945. So, again, unless your flying 'anything goes' servers, they should be rare to non-existant.

They will be just like the Ta-152: available to server builders, but hardly ever used.

JG53Frankyboy
01-30-2006, 03:26 PM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by AFJ_Locust:
..........
Ya Its all about the reality isint it. </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

since when is this game about reality?
please allow me a small "lol" here........


my personal opinion about the planeplot in game is the follwing:
the maddox team should have never left the eastern front ! not that i like it much , but it was the beginning (if it would have been another front, they should have stayed there).
and all the time they put in other planes and stuff of not related front they should have put in the eastern - the game would be most propably better...........

AFJ_Locust
01-30-2006, 03:31 PM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by VW-IceFire:
Forget those two...Tempest!!!!!! and Mosqutio! And hopefully some fixes to the flight models so the Mustang is good again. That'd be pretty good...those Bf109K-4 with 1.98ATA can try and run away and then watch as their engines explode http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

Ya its not all bad LOL

AFJ_Locust
01-30-2006, 03:35 PM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by ImpStarDuece:
http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_rolleyes.gif

Wow, complaining about aircraft BEFORE we've even flown them in the patch.

If your worried about 'balance' then just look at the dates when the 1.98 ATA K4 became available: March <span class="ev_code_YELLOW">1945</span>. Yes, thats right. The 1.98 ATA rating was available for a whole 2 months at the end of the war. So, unlike the Tempest V, Mustang III, Spitfire +25 lbs, P-47D or P-38L Late, its useless for anything but last ditch, end of the war type scenarios.

Similar story with the anteater. The first Allied encounters with them were reported in early April, 1945. So, again, unless your flying 'anything goes' servers, they should be rare to non-existant.

They will be just like the Ta-152: available to server builders, but hardly ever used. </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

Duce thats exzactaly my point

Why put ac into the sim that wont be used except in open pit games with anything goes maps.

I want to see ac developed that CAN be used in Realistic type servers. wasteing time on developing expermintal ac is stupid when we cant use them, give us ac we can put into realistic server senerios ?

AFJ_Locust
01-30-2006, 03:42 PM
Let it be known while I am raising hell about some of this release other parts of it are very welcomed & will be enjoyed & appreciated!

Thankyou

carguy_
01-30-2006, 03:46 PM
After months of biatching bout Me262 mission builders calmed down and we now see quite a few latewar coops beinst hosted.I`m sure the Pfeil and new K4 will find its way into them.

I`m kinda concerned bout allies in those coops.They always get owned in those. http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-sad.gif http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-very-happy.gif

Unknown-Pilot
01-30-2006, 03:48 PM
AFJ....bi7ching about LW. Wow, who could ever have imagined such a thing? http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_rolleyes.gif

It's a bloody miracle the LW ever gets anything in this sim, what with the absolute predominance of red-whiners 'round these parts. It's really old by now.

I guess you *could* always be thankful that you get to keep unrealistic elevator authority in the P51, and VVS UFOs, while the LW is still stuck with borked Antons, a totally hosed 190 view.

But then, that might make too much sense I guess.

ImpStarDuece
01-30-2006, 03:50 PM
Perhaps because OFFLINE is a far larger component to this game then ONLINE play? There are a boatload of things that we can do with the Do-335 et al offline that wont impact the slightest online.

We have all the aircraft for a really good what if Luft '45/46 style scenario: Ta-152, He-162, Me-163, Go-229, Me-262, 109K4 1.98 ATA. Put them up against hordes of Allied fighters and most players will be as happy as a pig in filth.

As an offliner, its great to see more flyables, whatever the time period. It just gives us more and more options. Unless your worried about online dogfighting and percieved bias, its really a win-win situation.

AFJ_Locust
01-30-2006, 03:57 PM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by Unknown-Pilot:
AFJ....bi7ching about LW. Wow, who could ever have imagined such a thing? http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_rolleyes.gif

I guess you *could* always be thankful that you get to keep unrealistic elevator authority in the P51, and VVS UFOs, while the LW is still stuck with borked Antons, an totally hosed 190 view.

But then, that might make too much sense I guess. </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

Hey pall i dont want overmodeled elevator authority, and yes I feal that the FW view is not as it should be as well, The 109 series are some of the very best df in the sim as of this moment. I like k4s I like g10s I like p51 I like all the ac Im not biased well I hate the japanese aircraft but thats another topic.

AFJ_Locust
01-30-2006, 04:05 PM
Duce thers alot of other ac that could be developed that arent in the What if catagory.

Everyone is alwayes on about realistic flight models what about realistic Aircraft that actualy flew in the war.

Why do335 when we coulda had Blackwidow

Why expermental ac or very low # extreemly late war ac, when we could have other ac fighters & bombers alike that were built by the hundreds and played key roles in the war.

russ.nl
01-30-2006, 04:08 PM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by AFJ_Locust:
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by russ.nl:
Tuse a realistic server and stop biatching! </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

Yes I will be flying in realistic planeset servers

THATS NOT THE POINT

I want ac to be developed that we can fly in realistic servers.

not experimental or ultra rare ac that never seen a df or drop a bomb.

apparentaly you dont get it </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

Ok I don't understand why we get the k-4 1.98ata
ether, but you rather have the spit Mk.XII then a Do-335? It is still a game and there are planty of realistic planes.

Unknown-Pilot
01-30-2006, 04:12 PM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by AFJ_Locust:
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by Unknown-Pilot:
AFJ....bi7ching about LW. Wow, who could ever have imagined such a thing? http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_rolleyes.gif

I guess you *could* always be thankful that you get to keep unrealistic elevator authority in the P51, and VVS UFOs, while the LW is still stuck with borked Antons, an totally hosed 190 view.

But then, that might make too much sense I guess. </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

Hey pall i dont want overmodeled elevator authority, and yes I feal that the FW view is not as it should be as well, The 109 series are some of the very best df in the sim as of this moment. I like k4s I like g10s I like p51 I like all the ac Im not biased well I hate the japanese aircraft but thats another topic. </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

What we don't say is often as important as what we do say - this thread speaks your true intent, regardless of how you try to respond to me, you're transparent.

In fact, your very next post after responding to me is all the evidence anyone would need. To paraphrase - why a LW plane when we could have had another allied plane.

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darkhorizon11
01-30-2006, 04:13 PM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by AFJ_Locust:
So for a two month period there 'might' have been some (probably a lot less than 79), if indeed any K-4 using 1.98ata. That would make it if introduced one of, if not the rarest bird in the war. There were ALOT MORE 109G10AS why didnt we get that instead of a fantasy 1.98Ata

NOW WE WILL SEE IT IN THE SIM ALL THE TIME?

That is not reality

also the do335 a-0 it was not realy part of ww2 in any way? It was a experimental ac Yet now they will be in the sim?

BULL http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_mad.gif
BULL http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_mad.gif </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

Its because they were done by third party or they were easy to model. Simple as that.

Gibbage and friends did most of the work on the 335. Allowing the K4 to reach 1.98 was probably easy since there was no new 3D modeling except for the gauge in the plane. All text and FM DM programming. Same deal in the last patch when we got the new Yak and P-47, no real modeling just coding and inputing her into the current sim.

Its that or nothing, deal. Us allies got plenty to in this patch.

Tooz_69GIAP
01-30-2006, 04:33 PM
Do-335 - first flight in 1943, operational from late 1944. Just cause there were no encounters doesn't mean it wasn't opertional. The factory had just started full production when it was captured by the allies.

K-4 1.98 ata - operational, not a fantasy plane

While I wholeheartedly agree that there are aircraft missing from the sim that should have been included from the start of FB (IL-10, Pe-2/3, Ju-88, U2VS, among others), and I really believe it was a mistake to expand into the western theatre as it has drawn focus away from what this sim was supposed to be in the first place.

However, these aircraft kick ***!! They are fantastic aircraft that will be a joy to experience. In a way, I feel that these rare warbirds have a particular place in the this sim, considering that the title is FORGOTTEN Battles. These rare, and often forgotten aircraft which we have now, and will receive later, are a great assett to this title. Where else can you fly 183 different aircraft spanning 49 different aircraft families!?!? And we have a good few more coming in the next year, along with new maps, ground objects, boats, and so on!!

russ.nl
01-30-2006, 04:40 PM
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AFJ_Locust
01-30-2006, 05:03 PM
Well lets have one of these instead of the Blackwidow then.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Focke-Wulf_Fw_187

VMF-214_HaVoK
01-30-2006, 05:06 PM
Its much easier for Oleg and team to add "Late" versions of aircraft we have then build new ones. I assume most of the planes being added are those of 3rd party. They build what they want. Take Gibbage for instance. He could have worked on more relevant aircraft to WW2 other then the YP-80 and others. But he did not...his choice.

I much rather have the so called bread&butter planes of the era. But seeing how Im clueless when it comes to 3d modeling Ill will just have to settle for what we got and/or get. IMO
S~

AFJ_Locust
01-30-2006, 05:08 PM
Tooz I agree with alot of what you say but

But why not give the germans 109g10as

or one of the many nightfighter/fighterbomber ac that germany built many of.

Instead we get 109k4 variant with more boost, The dam thing already climbs like a rocket its very fast & dam great fighter ac.

In this sim the germans are not lacking in fighters they need more versital bombers & fighterbombers heres one that never even made it too the war but id rather see it than 109k4 boosted even MORE ?

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Focke-Wulf_Fw_187

OR THIS

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Heinkel_He_219

SlickStick
01-30-2006, 05:12 PM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by Unknown-Pilot:
I guess you *could* always be thankful that you get to keep unrealistic elevator authority in the P51, and VVS UFOs, while the LW is still stuck with borked Antons, a totally hosed 190 view.

But then, that might make too much sense I guess. </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

Not to worry, the unrealistic DM of the A series FWs from six o'clock more than makes up for it's perceived porking. http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-wink.gif

Brain32
01-30-2006, 05:17 PM
This is just plane bull, let me explain why;
1. A thread comes in in ORR in need for data about +25 Spit, two Blue whiners come and troll, they are totally ignored...end of story
2.Not only that all fantasy planes are banned in online servers but Me262 which was well known as quite used in the end of the war also.
No problem
And then we found out about Do335 which will be banned like devil himself(actually it's already banned http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/35.gif), and about a little bit faster K4 which also has a good chance to be banned despite the fact that especially now with introduction of boosted Spit and Tempest, LW doesen't have anything for late war(44-45) that will enable them/us to go in, drop some bombs and get the hell out of Dodge.
And there has already been 2 threads in regards to new 109k4 and the increased manouverbility of 109 and dozens of sporadic comments and trolling, this is sad and...well...LAME http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/mockface.gif
I just hope j2m3 will bust your cocky allied-whiners a** in Pacific http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/mockface.gif
The real SHAME is I saw so little "Thank you" comments http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/51.gif, red whining seems to be top priority and all because of one surely online banned plane and one possibly - ROTFL

SeaFireLIV
01-30-2006, 05:18 PM
Well at least the dodo is less fantasy than the 109Z! Once I would have complained as much, but I`ve discovered several things, like where`s the 109Z now?

Servers simply can omit them, or place them in secret hangers at the end of 1944 to be blown up or captured, isn`t that a realistic use of them?

Offline these could be used for an extended `what-if the war continued to the end of 1945?` scenario.

The plane was probably included cos the model was good, the cockpit was excellent (he`s well known for turning away shoddy work). You are not forced to use it.

Also we got a good deal in realistic authentic authentic aircraft, as you know. So i`ll fly the dodo once, then fly the mossy and tempest in realistic campains where I may just get the chance to catch a dodo on the ground and destroy it! http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif

You should leave the dodo and instead THANK OLEGG for what he`s given you.

Atzebrueck
01-30-2006, 05:19 PM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by AFJ_Locust:
Well lets have one of these instead of the Blackwidow then.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Focke-Wulf_Fw_187 </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

I guess there isn't very much information available about its cockpit. After all the Fw187 was another quite rare plane. And believe me, building cockpits without references is nearly impossible http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_wink.gif.

And for all those complaining about which planes made it and which didn't:
The choice is up to the modeler. And most of them chose a plane they like and not what others want them to do. Especially if they work for free.
Well, I chose the 335. Maybe I would have picked the Me410. But that one was being worked on by another modeler.
He didn't finish the plane, so it won't make it into the game (unfortunatelly http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_frown.gif).

Selecting an aircraft for inclusion is not as easy as it may seem:
-The plane has to be free = not picked by another modeler. That's an very important point and definately is responsible for not seeing a lot of planes that would have been more important than let's say the 335. You mentioned the Widowmaker. The external model has been started but not finished. Or the Hs129: Started several times, but not finished.
-Lot's of good and detailed information is needed.
-It should be at the upper end of your "all time favourites". Otherwise you won't have enough motivation to finish the project. You won't spend 6 months on a plane that doesn't interest you at all http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_wink.gif.

And when you reached the point, where you have sent the model to 1C, you have to hope that you reached the high standard Oleg requires.

AFJ_Locust
01-30-2006, 05:20 PM
Here have one of these & give back the k4198

http://www.warbirdsresourcegroup.org/LRG/images/lrg0504.jpg

http://www.warbirdsresourcegroup.org/LRG/he177.html

We dont need it http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_smile.gif

Here is a whole List of german ac that could be added instead of another k4 variant.

Alot of these ac are also experimental Pick some fighter/bombers or nightfighters.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_military_aircraft_..._and_ground_attack_2 (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_military_aircraft_of_Germany#Bomber_and_gr ound_attack_2)

SeaFireLIV
01-30-2006, 05:23 PM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by Atzebrueck:
I guess there isn't very much information available about its cockpit. After all the Fw187 was another quite rare plane. And believe me, building cockpits without references is nearly impossible http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_wink.gif.

And for all those complaining about which planes made it and which didn't:
The choice is up to the modeler. And most of them chose a plane they like and not what others want them to do. Especially if they work for free.
Well, I chose the 335. Maybe I would have picked the Me410. But that one was being worked on by another modeler.
He didn't finish the plane, so it won't make it into the game.

Selecting an aircraft for inclusion is not as easy as it may seem:
-The plane has to be free = not picked by another modeler.
-Lot's of good and detailed information is needed.
-It should be at the upper end of your "all time favourites". Otherwise you won't have enough motivation to finish the project. You won't spend 6 months on a plane that doesn't interest you at all http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_wink.gif.

And when you reached the point, where you have sent the model to 1C, you have to hope that you reiched the high standard Oleg awaits. So no errors regarding the requirements of the IL2 engine and regarding the historical correctness. </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

Well said, Atzebrueck. really, locust there`s no arguing against that. But you probably will anyway. http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/51.gif

AFJ_Locust
01-30-2006, 05:35 PM
Ok Atzebrueck your point is well taken.
At least that does make some sence.

But Like I said before German need ground attack fighter/bombers.

The F8 is a great exzample but it dosent have the capability to bring more than a few bombs.

Bf110 its good but again not much ordanance.

Anyway I Did say thankyou you just didnt see it.

Infact Ive said thankyou to oleg many times here.

Atzebrueck
01-30-2006, 05:36 PM
Or how about thanking for the planes you got, instead of complaining about which didn't make it in.

Think about that:
patch A = Tempest, Mosquito, +25lb Spit
patch B = Tempest, Mosquito, +25lb Spit, 1.98ATA K4, Do335

Patch B should make you as happy as A, even if you do not like all planes. I'm sure you wouldn't have complained about patch A. So why whine about 2 planes out of 19 included in this one !? http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_wink.gif

Grey_Mouser67
01-30-2006, 05:37 PM
Maybe Oleg will address a few of the more glaring issues with the kurrent K-4 by kropping its uber klimb rate and adjusting it to historkal values....then he kan kall the kurrent K a K with 1.98 while keeping its kurrent klimb rate and kalkulating an akkurate speed for sea level speed.

If I see too many K's online, I simply won't fly there...I have a good time flying offline too. I have no problem with the inklusion of new planes, only the prevailing shortfalling of others...namely stability, weapons, klimb, radiators, damage modelling etc of kurrent airkraft.

SlickStick
01-30-2006, 05:41 PM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by Brain32:
This is just plane bull, let me explain why;
1. A thread comes in in ORR in need for data about +25 Spit, two Blue whiners come and troll, they are totally ignored...end of story
2.Not only that all fantasy planes are banned in online servers but Me262 which was well known as quite used in the end of the war also.
No problem
And then we found out about Do335 which will be banned like devil himself(actually it's already banned http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/35.gif), and about a little bit faster K4 which also has a good chance to be banned despite the fact that especially now with introduction of boosted Spit and Tempest, LW doesen't have anything for late war(44-45) that will enable them/us to go in, drop some bombs and get the hell out of Dodge.
And there has already been 2 threads in regards to new 109k4 and the increased manouverbility of 109 and dozens of sporadic comments and trolling, this is sad and...well...LAME http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/mockface.gif
I just hope j2m3 will bust your cocky allied-whiners a** in Pacific http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/mockface.gif
The real SHAME is I saw so little "Thank you" comments http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/51.gif, red whining seems to be top priority and all because of one surely online banned plane and one possibly - ROTFL </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

Brain, you believe waaaaaaaay too much of what you read on the internet. lol

AFJ_Locust
01-30-2006, 05:41 PM
http://www.warbirdsresourcegroup.org/LRG/images/lrg1347.jpg

DO NOT CALL ME A WHINER OR I WILL CALL U AN AZZHOLE.

IM NOT WHINEING IM MAKEING A VALID POINT HERE !!!

Atzebrueck
01-30-2006, 05:41 PM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by AFJ_Locust:
Here have one of these & give back the k4198

http://www.warbirdsresourcegroup.org/LRG/images/lrg0504.jpg

http://www.warbirdsresourcegroup.org/LRG/he177.html
</div></BLOCKQUOTE>

Hmm another one, that has been started (there should be some threads about it somewhere in the archives) ... but as so many, the modeler didn't have the time or talent to finish his work.

Again: Requesting to substract plane X and add plane Y doesn't make sence if there is no finished 3d model for Y to be included http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_wink.gif.

LEXX_Luthor
01-30-2006, 05:45 PM
SeaFire::<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Well said, Atzebrueck. really, locust there`s no arguing against that. But you probably will anyway. http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/51.gif </div></BLOCKQUOTE>
Yeah, the cockpit is already made, the external model is already made, so this is a simple addition.

And...new 109K4 is good for Offline play Dynamic Campaign where Germany might at least delay the end of war.

As for Online dogfight play, I thought the 13th Hellenic long ago took care of AFJ. http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_wink.gif

Brain32
01-30-2006, 05:48 PM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content"> But Like I said before German need ground attack fighter/bombers.
The F8 is a great exzample but it dosent have the capability to bring more than a few bombs.
Bf110 its good but again not much ordanance.
Anyway I Did say thankyou you just didnt see it.
Infact Ive said thankyou to oleg many times here. </div></BLOCKQUOTE>
Yep you got it right LW ground pounding is a pain, as for the thanking, it's kinda hard to pick em up among the whines http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-wink.gif
As for the new K4 I don't think it will be some kind of nasty UFO problem, only a slightly faster K4 we have now, both of them are too fast for a Spit, and both of them are cachable by fast late USAF planes, I think Tempest will eat them alive if they choose to run careless http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/icon_twisted.gif

LEXX_Luthor
01-30-2006, 05:52 PM
Hs-123 Biplane ground attack *would* be nice, but I guess that is reserved for BoB And Beyond, probably coming with 1939 Poland addon pac. It better be there!

Atzebrueck
01-30-2006, 06:03 PM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by LEXX_Luthor:
Hs-123 Biplane ground attack *would* be nice, but I guess that is reserved for BoB And Beyond, probably coming with 1939 Poland addon pac. It better be there! </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

Remembering this one ?!:
http://www.il2center.com/glad_hs_01.jpg
http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_wink.gif
http://forums.ubi.com/eve/forums/a/tpc/f/23110283/m.../r/38910645#38910645 (http://forums.ubi.com/eve/forums/a/tpc/f/23110283/m/38910645/r/38910645#38910645)

Atzebrueck
01-30-2006, 06:09 PM
Or this one:
http://www.axiomdigital.com/he177main.jpg
http://forums.ubi.com/eve/forums/a/tpc/f/23110283/m...551034052#3551034052 (http://forums.ubi.com/eve/forums/a/tpc/f/23110283/m/9401084942/r/3551034052#3551034052)

AFJ_Locust
01-30-2006, 06:14 PM
Just so you know where Im coming from the best part of the new addon imho is

Ju-88A4
http://1000aircraftphotos.com/Contributions/Alfarrabista/3360.htm
http://1000aircraftphotos.com/Contributions/Alfarrabista/3328.htm
Mosquito FB.MK.VI
http://1000aircraftphotos.com/APS/2139.htm
http://www.cbrnp.com/profiles/quarter2/mosquitos.htm

AFJ_Locust
01-30-2006, 06:17 PM
they got one of these already also ?

http://1000aircraftphotos.com/Contributions/Alfarrabista/3328L.jpg

AFJ_Locust
01-30-2006, 06:48 PM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Hs-123 Biplane </div></BLOCKQUOTE>
http://www.warbirdsresourcegroup.org/LRG/hs123.html

darkhorizon11
01-30-2006, 07:16 PM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by AFJ_Locust:
Tooz I agree with alot of what you say but

But why not give the germans 109g10as

or one of the many nightfighter/fighterbomber ac that germany built many of.

Instead we get 109k4 variant with more boost, The dam thing already climbs like a rocket its very fast & dam great fighter ac.

In this sim the germans are not lacking in fighters they need more versital bombers & fighterbombers heres one that never even made it too the war but id rather see it than 109k4 boosted even MORE ?

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Focke-Wulf_Fw_187

OR THIS

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Heinkel_He_219 </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

Its funny you bring this up, I think Kurt Tank probably threw the same argument at the RLM. Honestly there weren't any widely-used dedicated ground attack aircraft or four engine bombers for Germany, especially not for the late war error.

The closest was the He177 but it had all kind of bugs from the start which really hurt its track record, even though they were fixed later on...

AFJ_Locust
01-30-2006, 07:25 PM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">He177 </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

More great pics of a plane I realy feel we need in the sim to restore some balance... for the ground

Yes I understand we have what we have but it would be nice

http://www.luftwaffepics.com/lhe1771.htm

EiZ0N
01-30-2006, 07:31 PM
What's the problem here?

These experimental planes are for people who fly offline. I can't imagine serious servers will have them.

I can't believe you are complaining, we're getting new planes like the Tempest and the Mosquito, I can't wait!

Tooz_69GIAP
01-30-2006, 08:06 PM
Hey Locust, you're preaching to the converted with me!! I hate the fact that we have like 18 Spit variants, about 16-odd 109 variants, like 15 or more Yak variants, and so on and on!!!

Where are the bombers? Where are the important, and far more interesting aircraft?

Hs-129, Ju-88 (coming, but a long wait it's been!), IL-10 (coming as well, but it should have been in years ago), Pe-2/3 (same story, loooong wait), Me-210/410, Hs-123, Swordfish, Ju-86, and many more!! And not to mention the missing aircraft from the Pacific theatre, such as the Ki-21, Ki-27, Ki-43II, never mind the rather odd and misguided choice of maps for the theatre, and so on, etc, etc.

I feel firstly, it was a mistake to expand the plane set to western theatre aircraft - this entirely tore away valuable talent working on relevant aircraft to work on all this Western stuff like Spits and Mustangs, etc.

Secondly, it was a mistake to do the Pacific - it should have the Mediterranean/N.Africa, or the Balkans and Italy - that would have made a great expansion!! And again, PF took away a lot of people who were working on other projects to work on Pacific based aircraft, etc.

But anyway, c'est la vie, tis only a game, and we're getting some cool stuff to play with!!!

Stigler_9_JG52
01-30-2006, 09:11 PM
Locust....

now's the time to make the switch....

here, kitty, kitty (http://www.targetware.net)...

No "coulda flew, would flew, shoulda flew" there ...and more historical stuff on the close horizon... including a 1:1 scale Dutch East Indies and Phillipines tilt!! AND BoB!!!

http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_smile.gif

Stigler_9_JG52
01-30-2006, 09:12 PM
Still, though, I'll have to pop my head in and see the new Ju-88, and the Tempest!

Unknown-Pilot
01-30-2006, 09:36 PM
Just wanted to mention that people who use "fantasy plane" as an epithet and complain bitterly about "what if" planes and scenarios are simply pointing out, in a very overt manner, that they have NO imagination at all, and aren't really all that interested in aircraft in and of themselves.

Sometimes it seems Lexx has gone over to that dark side lately. Which is a shame, as he once coined the term so appropriate for the above group - "plane hating simmers".

LEXX_Luthor
01-30-2006, 10:38 PM
Unknown-Pilot:: <BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Just wanted to mention that people who use "fantasy plane" as an epithet and complain bitterly about "what if" planes and scenarios are simply pointing out, in a very overt manner, that they have NO imagination at all, and aren't really all that interested in aircraft in and of themselves. </div></BLOCKQUOTE>
I helped start that theory, but people can enjoy "fantasy" planes but when we are missing a Pe-2 or Ju-88 they get frustrated and lash out against the "fantasy" planes. The problem is they don't realize that the "fantasy" planes are not causing the lack of "missing" planes -- its the extreme radical modding standards of multi-crew aircraft.

Unknown-Pilot<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Sometimes it seems Lexx has gone over to that dark side lately. Which is a shame, as he once coined the term so appropriate for the above group - "plane hating simmers". </div></BLOCKQUOTE>
I'm still here, but have been re-thinking. ie...fantasy planes can work well, but they work best if they are made to fit well into a dynamic campaign either Offine or Online War. One way is this -- limit fantasy planes to the ones intended for mass production, or ones very similar to already existing mass produced aircraft (thinking of MiG-3U here). Once the MiG-3U was being flight tested, there was no intention anymore to manufacture it (engine was long since cancelled), but that's only because there was no strategic bombing threat from the Luftwaffe that required a high altitude interceptor. That threat could appear in a well created dynamic campaign generator.

Professor_06
01-31-2006, 12:07 AM
complaining about free toys!!!!!!...You must be hard to shop for. LOL

MercilessFatBoy
01-31-2006, 02:14 AM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by AFJ_Locust:
So for a two month period there 'might' have been some (probably a lot less than 79), if indeed any K-4 using 1.98ata. That would make it if introduced one of, if not the rarest bird in the war. There were ALOT MORE 109G10AS why didnt we get that instead of a fantasy 1.98Ata

NOW WE WILL SEE IT IN THE SIM ALL THE TIME?

That is not reality

also the do335 a-0 it was not realy part of ww2 in any way? It was a experimental ac Yet now they will be in the sim?

BULL http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_mad.gif
BULL http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_mad.gif </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

AFJ Whinners a classic

VVS-Manuc
01-31-2006, 02:35 AM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by AFJ_Locust:
So for a two month period there 'might' have been some (probably a lot less than 79), if indeed any K-4 using 1.98ata. That would make it if introduced one of, if not the rarest bird in the war. There were ALOT MORE 109G10AS why didnt we get that instead of a fantasy 1.98Ata

NOW WE WILL SEE IT IN THE SIM ALL THE TIME?

That is not reality

also the do335 a-0 it was not realy part of ww2 in any way? It was a experimental ac Yet now they will be in the sim?

BULL http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_mad.gif
BULL http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_mad.gif </div></BLOCKQUOTE>
Easy solution: Don't download the new patch and stay with 4.02. So no problems with the superduperuber axis P-51 - killer-planes http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/mockface.gif

carguy_
01-31-2006, 02:58 AM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by AFJ_Locust:
DO NOT CALL ME A WHINER OR I WILL CALL U AN AZZHOLE.

IM NOT WHINEING IM MAKEING A VALID POINT HERE !!! </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

YOU`RE A WHINER!!!! http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/35.gif

GoToAway
01-31-2006, 05:38 AM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by VVS-Manuc:
Easy solution: Don't download the new patch and stay with 4.02. So no problems with the superduperuber axis P-51 - killer-planes http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/mockface.gif </div></BLOCKQUOTE>I'd agree, but I believe he also said that he was going to stay with 3.x forever because of 4.x's "unrealistic flight model."


Honestly, this sort of whining is ridiculous. Some of you kids should be playing Quake since you apparently view Il-2 as nothing more than "plane deathmatch."

You don't like some of the planes? Don't use them.

You want to whine and cry that the Do-335 was made instead of something else? Remember that it was made by a third party that chose to make it. If you wanted something, you could have done exactly what they did and made it yourself. I can see how that would be difficult for some of you, though... Those tears of angst all over your hands must make it very difficult to use a mouse.


I for one am looking forward to all aircraft. Il-2 is a simulation for me, not Air Quake. I think it's great that, for the first time in sim history, a Do-335 can be flown.


Oh, and to preempt Locust's usual "OMG U HATE ALLIED PLANS U FLY AXES," I'd like to point out that my favorite aircraft to fly are the B-239, P-38L, and Spitfire IX. Of course, seemingly unlike a lot of people, I also frequently fly 109s, A6Ms, and pretty much everything else. I appreciate every aircraft and make it a point to spend some time in it. I'm perfectly comfortable flying for either side.

Fritzofn
01-31-2006, 05:39 AM
Locust....seems like u realy are only afraid of the lead the UFO/LA/Spit's had over Wermacht and Jap planes.....


hardly see any servervs with the lovly Hayabusa on anymore eighter....kinda sucks...had a great KD ratio on Corsairs in that plane....something like 55-15 in KD :-)

this is what hapends on online servers: Axis planes is judged too good for the game, then removed from the online servers.

u should learn to LOVE the 335, it's a exelent plane

joeap
01-31-2006, 06:34 AM
I just know acne when I see it.

Diablo310th
01-31-2006, 07:20 AM
LOL ok here is my whine......with a K-4 1.98 where is a true P-47M? Not just a 150 octane D-27.
http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/784.gif

Unknown-Pilot
01-31-2006, 07:29 AM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by Diablo310th:
LOL ok here is my whine......with a K-4 1.98 where is a true P-47M? Not just a 150 octane D-27.
http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/784.gif </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

Word up.

But we both know the answer to that...... http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_wink.gif

AFJ_Locust
01-31-2006, 07:43 AM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by Stigler_9_JG52:
Locust....

now's the time to make the switch....

here, kitty, kitty (http://www.targetware.net)...

No "coulda flew, would flew, shoulda flew" there ...and more historical stuff on the close horizon... including a 1:1 scale Dutch East Indies and Phillipines tilt!! AND BoB!!!

http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_smile.gif </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

hmmmmmmmmmmmmmmm Very interesting

AFJ_Locust
01-31-2006, 07:46 AM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by Tooz_69GIAP:
Hey Locust, you're preaching to the converted with me!! I hate the fact that we have like 18 Spit variants, about 16-odd 109 variants, like 15 or more Yak variants, and so on and on!!!

Where are the bombers? Where are the important, and far more interesting aircraft?

Hs-129, Ju-88 (coming, but a long wait it's been!), IL-10 (coming as well, but it should have been in years ago), Pe-2/3 (same story, loooong wait), Me-210/410, Hs-123, Swordfish, Ju-86, and many more!! And not to mention the missing aircraft from the Pacific theatre, such as the Ki-21, Ki-27, Ki-43II, never mind the rather odd and misguided choice of maps for the theatre, and so on, etc, etc. </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

EXZACTALY Finaly someone who understands what Im saying. the rest of you shhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh
http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_wink.gif

AFJ_Locust
01-31-2006, 07:49 AM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by Unknown-Pilot:
Just wanted to mention that people who use "fantasy plane" as an epithet and complain bitterly about "what if" planes and scenarios are simply pointing out, in a very overt manner, that they have NO imagination at all, and aren't really all that interested in aircraft in and of themselves.
</div></BLOCKQUOTE>

Im glad you know everything and are able to enlighten us about what other people realy mean

You must be a car salsemen.

AFJ_Locust
01-31-2006, 07:54 AM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Just wanted to mention that people who use "fantasy plane" </div></BLOCKQUOTE>


What you dont seem to understand is that I dont mind to see do335 in the sim for fun sakes and the k4198. and whatever else.

I would like to see the aircraft that belong here first then add the non contributors later.

AFJ_Locust
01-31-2006, 07:58 AM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by carguy_:
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by AFJ_Locust:
DO NOT CALL ME A WHINER OR I WILL CALL U AN AZZHOLE.

IM NOT WHINEING IM MAKEING A VALID POINT HERE !!! </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

YOU`RE A WHINER!!!! http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/35.gif </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

YOUR AN AZZHOLE

luftluuver
01-31-2006, 08:25 AM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by Tooz_69GIAP:
Do-335 - first flight in 1943, operational from late 1944. Just cause there were no encounters doesn't mean it wasn't opertional. The factory had just started full production when it was captured by the allies. </div></BLOCKQUOTE>
Please enlighten us on which LW unit used Do335s operationally.

I can only find 1 Do335 that went to an operational unit, 1./Aufkl.GrObd.L, for service evaluation and this was the V3, WNr320003. It is not known if the proposed flights took place as the a/c was continually u/s.

SnailRunner
01-31-2006, 08:34 AM
For a werry long time ago it was statet that the FB game engine was not made for multi engined bombers, and therefore they wouldnt make them. I know of atleast 5 different 4 engined bombers that is made but was stopped cause of this

The IL2 series of games wasent made for online wars, it was made to be the best Combat flight sim, with decent amount of fun planes to fly around with, it was not made to be a history book of ww2

O`dude have learned alot about us as community and how a game dedicatet to online wars could be made, we are taking up way to mutch of hes time pacthing up this old war horse (FB series)

Im sure that BOB will be what all are looking for, planesets for the different theaters, a more historical aproatch to the game, and not patches, but theater addon modules and even a brand new game engine.

I know there is probs with the game, some wierd FM`s some Wierd planes, but im surprised that he even bothers patching up this old piece of software for us, and we should be happy with what we get.

We all want something (i want the lanc) but just let go.....accept what you get and wait for BOB, there is no reson for complaining about a game that is this old, especialy when you know that something will come out that will blow you away.....fly the planes have some fun....enjoy this great game...Tempest will be new œber plane why?? because it was a über plane, fly that thing like a FW and the über über K4 will scream im deeeeead all the way to the ground......

AFJ_Locust
01-31-2006, 09:24 AM
You also make a good point Snail

maybe it is time to cast our hopes onto BOB

Ya I wana fly the do335 who wouldnt.

BirdieNum-nums
01-31-2006, 12:12 PM
Personally, I don't really understand what the big fuss is when it comes to pushing your native country's aircraft. I'm Canadian, but do you hear me screaming and crying for Lancs and Mossies to make an appearance in the game? Yes, tons of these aircraft were built under license in Canada during the WW2. Well ok, Mossie is making it.

But frankly, I don't really give a sh*t what country the plane is from, as long as it's well made, and accurate. I have a deep p***ion for ALL WW2 aircraft. Even the crappy ones have some endearing quality if you lean in closely.

We get FREE planes, RARE planes that you'll NEVER see anywhere else and some people still think it's acceptable to ***** about them? Honestly, I don't know if you know the meaning of SPOILED BRAT but some people (I won't mention names) should really take a look in the dictionary and read up on that definition.

There will always be some aircraft that will never make it into this sim and that's ok. Seriously, did you really think every single WW2 aircraft would be modelled by Oleg and co.?? He's good but give the man a break for the love of Pete!!!!

Right now, we've got more candy than ever imaginable, more than anyone could have hoped for. Sure, there's no Kates and no Lancs... but there's a TON of other stuff. Now stop the *****in' and start the lovin'!!!!!

We are all SPOILED (by Oleg and co), don't you forget it.

Cheers,

Birdie Num-nums a.k.a. The Jabberwocky


P.S. The Do-335 is a brilliant addition to the series. Can't wait to fly it dispatch some entire formations of B-17s singlehandly.

Unknown-Pilot
01-31-2006, 01:08 PM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by SnailRunner:
For a werry long time ago it was statet that the FB game engine was not made for multi engined bombers, and therefore they wouldnt make them. I know of atleast 5 different 4 engined bombers that is made but was stopped cause of this </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

Ok....but what about the TB3 then?

Doug_Thompson
01-31-2006, 01:28 PM
Here we go again. http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_rolleyes.gif

I just troll this forum, and even I know the single largest deciding factor in whether a plane gets added is whether there are enough volunteers who are able and willing to produce models that Maddox Games will accept.

Beyond the indispensible core types, it doesn't matter how many people want a type or how important the type was historically. What matters is if enough people with enough talent, the right software, and more than a dash of luck are able to dedicate the hours and hours it takes to produce a model. Even then, bad breaks happen. Thousands of manhours of dedicated work have ended in cancelled projects, which must be heartbreaking.

If the Do 335 gets in, it will be because somebody was inspired by it. If you don't like it, buy the software and €" if you have the talent €" make the plane yourself and submit it to Maddox.

SnailRunner
01-31-2006, 01:36 PM
The TB3 yes no Topic on this without that one comming....The TB3 is not affectet by the game engine because of its mac cieling, yes its a multi engined bomber, but it operates well beneeth the alt limit the game engine have (doent know the exact limit)

But you can se the probs with both fighters and bombers over around 4500m the TB3 aint flying that high, but the rest is, would it be fun having a B-17 with a max cieling at around 2500m??

The game engine isnt made for high alt fighting / flying even O`dude have said that many many many times....

Unknown-Pilot
01-31-2006, 01:52 PM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by SnailRunner:
The TB3 yes no Topic on this without that one comming....The TB3 is not affectet by the game engine because of its mac cieling, yes its a multi engined bomber, but it operates well beneeth the alt limit the game engine have (doent know the exact limit)

But you can se the probs with both fighters and bombers over around 4500m the TB3 aint flying that high, but the rest is, would it be fun having a B-17 with a max cieling at around 2500m??

The game engine isnt made for high alt fighting / flying even O`dude have said that many many many times.... </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

The altitude limit has been raised in each iteration of the game. Originally it was supposed to have been 3Km, but realistically it felt much lower than that.

However, an altitude limit is not a multi-engine limit. So what you said is incorrect.

And the B-17 *is* in the game - along with the Me-163 and the high alt escorts. Hell, the single mission that is pre-packaged has you up around 4Km or more. (and IIRC, the limt was 5Km in FB, since then we've had AEP and PF plus inumerbale patches)

Tooz_69GIAP
01-31-2006, 02:12 PM
The limit to where the atmosphere is accurately modelled is 10,000m. Above 10,000m, the atmosphere is modelled as constant, I think.

luftluuver
01-31-2006, 02:43 PM
Tooz, still awaiting for those Do335 units that were operational.

SnailRunner
01-31-2006, 03:24 PM
Im doing nothing than talking about the stuff O`dude him self have brought up, and i didnt go into this for the forum "war" lol.....

B-17 in game....yaaa......AI yes why....

Well take the HE111 and fly up to above 4500m and tell me if it flyes at it should...do the same with B-25 and betty....above 4500m the game engine cant cope with bombers, or fighters, the fighters have been tuned so the atleast is around 20% within data...bombers are way off......because the planes are in as AI doent make it posible to use a "human" planes...

O`dude have statet that the game egine is not made for this kind of flying, it was made for ground pounding / engaging ground pounding planes...not Western fron bomber fights....

Because this comes from O`dude himself...i think i bet on the horse instead of the 2000 dudes around the forums "that knows better"

Im flying im having fun......and i will have that for a looong time lol

VW-IceFire
01-31-2006, 03:31 PM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by luftluuver:
Tooz, still awaiting for those Do335 units that were operational. </div></BLOCKQUOTE>
There was one or two units that were outfitted with the Do-335's...not sure what units or what versions in particular. I know Pierre Closterman ran across a single Do-335 and tried to chase it but failed.

I suspect they carried out some recon work in the very last weeks of the war. But I don't think there were any confirmed kills made by Do-335's nor were any shot down.

AFJ_Locust
01-31-2006, 03:38 PM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by SnailRunner:
The TB3 yes no Topic on this without that one comming....The TB3 is not affectet by the game engine because of its mac cieling, yes its a multi engined bomber, but it operates well beneeth the alt limit the game engine have (doent know the exact limit)

But you can se the probs with both fighters and bombers over around 4500m the TB3 aint flying that high, but the rest is, would it be fun having a B-17 with a max cieling at around 2500m??

The game engine isnt made for high alt fighting / flying even O`dude have said that many many many times.... </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

We fly fight & Bomb from 20,000 feet what are you talking about ?

Ya we cant go to 40/50,000 feet but 25000 is preaty high

tigertalon
01-31-2006, 03:39 PM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by AFJ_Locust:
So for a two month period there 'might' have been some (probably a lot less than 79), if indeed any K-4 using 1.98ata. That would make it if introduced one of, if not the rarest bird in the war. There were ALOT MORE 109G10AS why didnt we get that instead of a fantasy 1.98Ata

NOW WE WILL SEE IT IN THE SIM ALL THE TIME?

That is not reality

also the do335 a-0 it was not realy part of ww2 in any way? It was a experimental ac Yet now they will be in the sim?

BULL http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_mad.gif
BULL http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_mad.gif </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

Hey, stop b!tchin around about new flyables! I'd take a Su27 in PF if it's for free!! Now it's map makers choice how to (if at all) implement these aircraft into the sim: like puting the base with K4 1.98 ATA into the far corner for example, from where they have to fly half an hour to the action.

Once again, how often do you see 109Z or Go229 online? It's mapbuilders problem, not Olegs!

AFJ_Locust
01-31-2006, 04:37 PM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">I'd take a Su27 in PF if it's for free!! </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

this is the attitude Im talking about


you might as well have it http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/35.gif

SnailRunner
01-31-2006, 04:57 PM
Hmmm.....ok.....hmmmm....

I am wrong everything i have postet under this topic is incorrect. You guys have shown me or told me the why`s and How`s.....

I am sorry for all the incorrectness i have postet and i will step down....

Sorry for the trouble i have caused.....

And now i will head back to flight school to figure out what im doing wrong http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_wink.gif

Its a game...i fly it as a game...simply cant affort a real pilote licence...and im having fun... lol

Treetop64
01-31-2006, 05:02 PM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by AFJ_Locust:
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">I'd take a Su27 in PF if it's for free!! </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

this is the attitude Im talking about </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

Primo donna...

I, for one, will be one happy mo-fo when the 335 is here. Been waiting for that beast since CFS3.

AFJ_Locust
01-31-2006, 05:10 PM
lol

Henrique_BR
01-31-2006, 05:42 PM
I want just post few things that realy impresses me :

1-This comunity everyone talk like was a real pilot .
2-Everyone THINK that understand everything about wwII planes.
3-Everyone think that a GAME is real.
4-IF someone think different about something fools start say agressive name and idiot comments .

and People START complaing about something that wasnt realeased yet lol cmom http://a_pequena_maria.weblogger.terra.com.br/img/bebe_chorando.gif

If someone dont like the new planes or that we re playing alredy ..just play server without this plane set ..or go play battlefield 2


relax and have fun guys nothing is real and never ill be just a g8 game ! one more not real plane isnot a problem

Tooz_69GIAP
01-31-2006, 05:46 PM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by luftluuver:
Tooz, still awaiting for those Do335 units that were operational. </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

Well, my knowledge is not great in regards to axis operational units, or the Do-335, so I can't tell you off-hand which units had the Pfeil.

I do have a few articles and such in Russian, German, French (unfortunately I don't speak any of them) and English showing a lot of different colour scheme profiles of the aircraft, and the one in German discusses the restoration work of two examples of the aircraft, and the French the history of the development of the aircraft. The English article gives some nice information about werk numbers, and what each completed production model was (i.e. nightfighter, trainer, etc). And then goes on to talk about the development of the aircraft (actually, looking at this article, I might just send it to Oleg as it has some nice info!!)

In the French article there is mention of the installation of night fighting equipment, and that at least one Do-335 V10 was tested by I/NJG 3, commanded by Major Werner Husemann, and afterwards, either the same aircraft, or another example was sent to NJG 4 for evaluation as a night fighter (my French is virtually non-existant, so I can't tell you for sure).

The Englsih article also mentions the delivery of a Do335 V10 to I/NJG 3 for operational testing, but it also mentions that a unit was formed in September 1944 specifically to be equipped with the Pfeil. It was V./NJG 2, formed from III./KG 2, but it never received the aircraft, instead flying Ju-88G-6s until late April '45. There is also mention of the Photo Reconnaissance role for the Pfeil which it was thought, the aircraft's speed and range would be ideal for the role.

The article also mentions the sightings by Tempests and Mustangs of the Pfeil, but it quickly scarpered. And one unit which, according to the article, does seem to have been using the Pfeil operationally was a unit named Erprobungskommando 335 commanded by Hauptman Alvon Meyer. The unit had the dual tasks of developing the Pfeil as anti-Mosquito night fighter, and the development of fighter, bomber and reconnaissance tactics. According to the article, this was happening around October 1944.

I also have a German documentary from 1991 entitled: "Die Dornier Do 335 - Der letzte und beste Kolbenflugzeugjaeger der Luftwaffe" which has a lot of footage of the Pfeil flying around, and talks about the models captured by the allies, and so on. It's all in German though, so I can't understand any of it. It's about 27 mins long.

LEXX_Luthor
01-31-2006, 05:51 PM
Tooz:: <BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">The limit to where the atmosphere is accurately modelled is 10,000m. Above 10,000m, the atmosphere is modelled as constant, I think. </div></BLOCKQUOTE>
Not sure. Fuel Mix continues to need adjusting above 10km, but that could be scripted to follow altitude and not atmosphere conditions. I guess you could test the theory with a good high altitude plane at 11km and 14km, and compare IAS and TAS.

berg417448
01-31-2006, 06:01 PM
Everything I've ever read said that a few pre-production DO-335 aircraft were sent to combat conversion units some several months before the war ended but no Do-335s actually entered combat.

It has always been one of my favorites. Many years ago (late 1960's) I got to see parts of one at the Smithsonian's restortion facility during a tour with a plastic modelers group. I think that particular aircraft has now been fully restored.

luftluuver
01-31-2006, 06:57 PM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by VW-IceFire:
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by luftluuver:
Tooz, still awaiting for those Do335 units that were operational. </div></BLOCKQUOTE>
There was one or two units that were outfitted with the Do-335's...not sure what units or what versions in particular. I know Pierre Closterman ran across a single Do-335 and tried to chase it but failed.

I suspect they carried out some recon work in the very last weeks of the war. But I don't think there were any confirmed kills made by Do-335's nor were any shot down. </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

Where did they come from? There was only 10 completed A-0s and half of them were damaged/destroyed in in bombing or crashes.

Closterman's Do335 was most likely on a test flight since 2 went to Rechlin.

As I said, I can only find 1 reference for 1, the V3, going to a LW unit in July '44 and that was for evaluation purposes.

NonWonderDog
01-31-2006, 09:22 PM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by LEXX_Luthor:
Tooz:: <BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">The limit to where the atmosphere is accurately modelled is 10,000m. Above 10,000m, the atmosphere is modelled as constant, I think. </div></BLOCKQUOTE>
Not sure. Fuel Mix continues to need adjusting above 10km, but that could be scripted to follow altitude and not atmosphere conditions. I guess you could test the theory with a good high altitude plane at 11km and 14km, and compare IAS and TAS. </div></BLOCKQUOTE>


I think the actual explanation is that the approximation for air density as a function of altitude is inaccurate above 10km. It might be a 2nd order function used for the approximation or something, while the actual behavior is very complex. Air density is definitely *not* constant above 10km in the sim.

BuzzardHead
02-01-2006, 12:58 PM
All whinners read my lips.The add-on is free!

HayateAce
02-01-2006, 01:18 PM
coolio airplanez....ban 'em.

http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/34.gif

Treetop64
02-01-2006, 04:51 PM
You know...

I just got a wonderful idea, right out of the blue:

Maybe we should get Corvette C6-Rs implemented into the game. I think that would make everyone happy.

Don't you think so?

LW_lcarp
02-01-2006, 05:32 PM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Do-335A-0 </div></BLOCKQUOTE>
Production Numbers:
When the US Army overran the Oberpfaffenhofen factory in late April 1945, only 11 Do 335A-1 single seat fighter-bombers and two Do 335A-12 conversion trainers had been completed. A further nine A-1's, four A-4's and two A- 12's were in final assembly, and components and assemblies for nearly 70 more had been completed. Heinkel at Vienna had been unable to build any Do 335A-6 night fighters.
A number of planned developments of the Do 335 were on the drawing board when the war ended, including several big-winged high altitude fighter versions, the Do535 with a jet rear engine, the Do635 (later Ju 8-635) long range reconnaissance version which featured twin fuselages linked by a common wing centre section, and the P.256 twin jet fighter.
As part of Operation Seahorse, two of the surviving A-0 single seaters were put aboard the US aircraft carrier 'Reaper' and shipped back to the USA, for detailed evaluation by the US Navy. The two airworthy A-12 two seaters were flown to Britain and flight tested at RAE Farnborough. Both were destroyed in crashes. Two of the B-series prototypes were also evaluated by the CEV in France.
Today, the sole remaining example of this unique type is on display at the National Air and Space Museum in Washington DC. Do 335A-0 VP+GH (Wk Nr. 240102) was one of the two examples evaluated at the US Navy's Patuxent River Test Center in 1945. Thereafter, it languished in open storage for 27 years in the grounds of the NASM storage facility at Silver Hill. In October 1974 the decaying airframe was flown back to Munich, for a complete restoration by Dornier Aircraft at Oberpfaffenhofen (then building Alphajets). The magnificently restored aircraft was first displayed at the Hannover Airshow, 1-9 May 1976, and then loaned to the Deutches Museum, Munich, for a several years before returning to the NASM.

Do 335 Production List
Do 335V series prototypes, 14 aircraft built at Friedrichshafen, mid 1943 to mid 1944,
and tested at Mengen.
Model Code Werk Nr. Notes

Do 335V-1 CP+UA 230001 1st prototype. DB603A-1 engines. FF 28.10.43
Do 335V-2 CP+UB 230002 to Rechlin, rear engine caught fire, w/o 15.04.44
Do 335V-3 CP+UC/T9+ZH 230003 A-4 prototype, to Ob.d.L.
Do 335V-4 CP+UD 230004 Do 435 prototype, not completed
Do 335V-5 CP+UE 230005 1st with armament fitted, A-2 engines
Do 335V-6 CP+UF 230006 Dornier development a/c, hit by bomb
Do 335V-7 CP+UG 230007 Junkers Jumo 213A & E testbed, Dessau
Do 335V-8 CP+UH 230008 Daimler-Benz DB603E-1 testbed, Stuttgart
Do 335V-9 CP+UI/V9 230009 A-0 prototype, to Rechlin May 1944
Do 335V-10 CP+UK 230010 A-6 prototype night ftr with SN-2 radar
Do 335V-11 CP+UL/11 230011 A-10 prototype trainer
Do 335V-12 CP+UM 230012 A-12 prototype trainer
Do 335V-13 RP+UA/13 230013 B-1 prototype, to France for tests
Do 335V-14 RP+UB/14 230014 B-2 prototype, destroyed


Do 335A-0 pre-production batch, 10 aircraft built at Oberpfaffenhofen July-Oct 1944.
One example converted to A-4 standard.
Model Code Werk Nr. Notes

Do 335A-0 VG+PG/101 240101 DB603A-2 engines, at Rechlin July 1944
Do 335A-0 VG+PH/102 240102 sole survivor, to USAAF as FE 1012, now at NASM
Do 335A-0 VG+PI/103 240103 to Ob.d.L. late July 1944
Do 335A-0 VG+IJ/104 240104 to Erkdo 335 Sept 1944
Do 335A-0 VG+IK/105 240105 to Erkdo 335 captured by US at Lechfeld 4.45
Do 335A-0 VG+PL/106 240106 to Erkdo 335
Do 335A-0 VG+PM/107 240107 to Erkdo 335
Do 335A-0 VG+PN/108 240108 to Erkdo 335
Do 335A-0 VG+PO/109 240109 to Erkdo 335
Do 335A-0 VG+PP/110 240110 to Erkdo 335 Oct 1944

Do 335A-1 production batch. 11 aircraft built at Oberpfaffenhofen,
plus 9 aircraft part assembled, Nov-April 1945.
Model Code Werk Nr. Notes

Do 335A-1 113 240113 Captured by US
Do 335A-1 240161 Captured by US
Do 335A-1 240162 Captured by US
Do 335A-1 240163 Captured by US
Do 335A-1 240164 Captured by US
Do 335A-1 240165 Captured by US
Do 335A-1 240166 Captured by US
Do 335A-1 240167 Captured by US
Do 335A-1 240168 Captured by US
Do 335A-1 240169 Captured by US
Do 335A-1 240170 Captured by US
Do 335A-1 01 240301 Partly assembled Captured by US
Do 335A-1 02 240302 Partly assembled Captured by US
Do 335A-1 03 240303 Partly assembled Captured by US
Do 335A-1 04 240304 Partly assembled Captured by US
Do 335A-1 05 240305 Partly assembled Captured by US
Do 335A-1 06 240306 Partly assembled Captured by US
Do 335A-1 07 240307 Partly assembled Captured by US
Do 335A-1 08 240308 Partly assembled Captured by US
Do 335A-1 09 240309 Partly assembled Captured by US


Do 335A-2 project only
Do 335A-3 project only

Do 335A-4 10 aircraft scheduled Jan-Feb 1945, only 4 part assembled at
Oberpfaffenhofen.
Model Code Werk Nr. Notes

Do 335A-4 10 240310 Partly assembled Captured by US
Do 335A-4 11 240311 Partly assembled Captured by US
Do 335A-4 12 240312 Partly assembled Captured by US
Do 335A-4 13 240313 Partly assembled Captured by US


Do 335A-6 none assembled, Heinkel Vienna factory bombed out.

Do 335A-10 aircraft built at Oberpfaffenhofen.
Model Code Werk Nr. Notes

Do 335A-10 111 240111 flew late Nov 1944. Captured by US at Oberpf.
Do 335A-10 240114 not completed


Do 335A-12. 2 aircraft built at Oberpfaffenhofen, plus 2 aircraft part assembled.
Model Code Werk Nr. Notes

Do 335A-12 112 240112 Air Min 225, to RAE, w/o 18 Jan 1946
Do 335A-12 121 240121 to England, w/o 13 Dec 1945
Do 335A-12 122 240122 not completed, scrapped by US
Do 335A-12 Partly assembled

Do 335B series prototypes. 6 aircraft part assembled at Oberpfaffenhofen.
Model Code Werk Nr. Notes

Do 335B-2 RP+UB 14/18 240118 B-2 replacement proto, to France with CEV until 4.6.48
Do 335V-15 RP+UC 15/19 240119 B-1 2nd prototype to Lwe 2.45
Do 335V-16 RP+UD 16/20 240120 B-2 2nd prototype night ftr with FuG 218
Do 335V-17 RP+UE 17/16 240116 B-6 prototype to France w/o Autumn 45
Do 335V-18 RP+UF 18/17 240117 B-6 2nd prototype night ftr to Lwe 2.45
Do 335V-19 RP+UG 19/15 240115 B-3 prototype not completed
Do 335V-20 B-7 prototype not completed
Do 335V-21 B-8 prototype not completed
Do 335V-22 B-8 2nd prototype not completed

FA_Whisky
02-03-2006, 08:12 AM
time for a high boost P51d.

WOLFMondo
02-03-2006, 08:41 AM
Check out the 109k4 ROC tests by Tagert. Looks like we already have a 1.98ata k4. A higher boost P51D would be over kill!

mortoma
02-03-2006, 05:13 PM
The two biggest problems that lead to whines/rants like this are that too many people who fly this sim are nationalistic and secondly that there are a lot of people who fly online. We who are mainly offline and are not nationalistic can't even fathom anybody complaining about the introduction of ANY new aircraft!!! The more planes of different varieties, the better it is for people like me.

I don't understand nationalism at all. I am an American who is happy to fly Russian planes or German, Japanese or whatever, as much as I do American planes. Hard to believe there are people who fly only German planes just because they reside in Germany or Russians who fly only Russian aircraft. Also Americans who fly only American aircraft is just as absurd to me. They have the right to do it but I find it more bizarre than fiction. Whatever floats yer boat people.

AFJ_Locust
02-04-2006, 06:27 AM
mortoma, If you read the thred, my main point is why add another k4 variant, when ac like the b17 or other variouse bombers for Germany,England,United States that are Important in the real war are cast aside for MORE FIGHTER PLANES

We dont need them man, we have hundreds of fighter too choose from NOW!!

We want the real workhorses The Bombers for all countrys not just USA

Salute!

anasteksi
02-04-2006, 06:46 AM
errr why to add spit IX@25 then? or mustang III? or p47 late? This same thing goes and goes on. We should be happy if we get so nice planes but still people keeps whining about über do-335 or K-4. If you don't like them don't use them. It's so simple. They have allready been banned from all servers even before releasing of them just like he-162 and me-163.. As a online and offline player i appreciate that oleg wanted to give as so nice planes and i will fly them offline. Would you fully-onlineplayers open your eyes and look around you. There are offline players who wan't that dornier.
Oleg have stated that there won't be any multiengine bombers if i remember right. Game engine just won't work with them. If you really wan't some other planes then go ahead and make them. Modellers wanted to do these planes and it's their bussiness what thay do..


sorry for my bad english.. just try to understand

AFJ_Locust
02-04-2006, 09:26 AM
Its so simple!!

We should get ac that contributed too ww2 not preproduction do335 or exzotic k4 with 1.98 ata

theres no winning this argument

yes Im thrilled that we will have the do335 & all other ac that oleg & team works on.

THE POINT IS WE NEED THE WAR PLANES FIRST.

THEN GALAGA LATER !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

JG52Karaya-X
02-04-2006, 09:32 AM
I'm also a supporter of more bombers but as others have already said getting a bombers 3D-model plus cockpit into the game is a manifold of that work spent on a fighter. Furthermore planes such as the P47Dlate, P38L_late, MkIII, K41.98ata and such ONLY need a rework of the FM and nothing more - and now that the deadline for additional 3rd party models has run out there's no chance for them to ever become flyable

Would have been cool to have:
- Do17/217
- Ju88 late As and Cs
- Me210/410
- early B25s
- early A20s
- B17s
- B24s
- B29
- SB2
- Su2
list goes on...

Doug_Thompson
02-04-2006, 09:56 AM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">theres no winning this argument because you cant win arguments with ignorance. </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

As anybody who follows this forum knows, the planes that get added are the planes that have dedicated, talented third-party people willing to work very hard and give their work away to Oleg.

If you want bombers so badly, then buy the software if you have the talent, make the model including the interior crew stations and give it to Oleg.

Modelling bombers with 8 or 10 crew stations must be about 8 or 10 times more work than modelling a single-cockpit figther or fighter-bomber.

There's the real reason we don't have bombers. I suppose they take more computer horsepower to run too.

There's no "argument" to win here. There's work to be done. Somebody somewhere loved the Do 335 enough to painstakingly craft a very nice computer model of it, and he was lucky enough to have it work out. If the demand for big bombers was all that great, somebody would do the work.

Aaron_GT
02-04-2006, 10:16 AM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Check out the 109k4 ROC tests by Tagert. Looks like we already have a 1.98ata k4. </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

Targert showed what the climb rate of the 109K4 is in the game, but there didn't seem to be a comparasion in his chart with what it was supposed to climb at, so I don't know what it proved, other than it climbs faster than a Spitfire, but I thought the 190K4 at 1.8ata did beat the spit in climb by a small margin anyway.

Unknown-Pilot
02-04-2006, 01:26 PM
One of the great things about getting the Do-335, Bi-1, 109Z, Go-229, etc, etc, is that it pisses off the plane hatting simmers that have NO imagination, whatsoever, and want everyone to be limited to the same planes, over, and over, and over, and over, and over, and over again in every sim.

If these boring ba$tards were in charge, we'd NEVER get anything cool or interesting.

Thank god they aren't in charge.

Just a dam shame we have to put up with their constant crying.

anasteksi
02-04-2006, 04:24 PM
Doug you said what i was just thinking to say http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif.


This all crying about k-4 and do-335 is useless and it won't lead to anything. Oleg wanted to include those planes in that new patch so they will be included. I will surely have much fun with do-335 and K-4.

mortoma
02-04-2006, 08:53 PM
Who says ( other than original poster in thread ) that the Do-335 did not participate in WWII?? There are plenty of documented encounters with it but never any dogfights with it or combat of any kind, only attempted combat. It's a fact that no pilot in an Arrow opened fire with his guns in offensive behavior, but plenty of Allied pilots tried to catch it and fire on it.

This included Pierre Closterman who wrote of an experience with it in his book, 'The Big Show'. He was leading a flight of four Hawker Tempests when he saw one flying full tilt at tree top level. They tried to catch up to it but it was no use, they didn't even get close enough to get a firing solution on it. This shows you just how fast it was even at low level, since a Tempest is one screaming hyper-fast aircraft!!!

LEXX_Luthor
02-04-2006, 09:14 PM
Great discussion!!

Unknown-Pilot:: <BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">One of the great things about getting the Do-335, Bi-1, 109Z, Go-229, etc, etc, is that it pisses off the plane hating simmers that have NO imagination, whatsoever, and want everyone to be limited to the same planes, over, and over, and over, and over, and over, and over again in every sim. </div></BLOCKQUOTE>
Not only that, but real life Ally combat pilots flocked to fly captured Do-335.

BfHeFwMe
02-04-2006, 11:19 PM
What's truely sad is this was suppose to be a Pacific fighters addition, so where are all these new Pacific planes at? http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/cry.gif

One lousy new fighter, whoopie doo. Sold down the river by Eurotheaterwhining. http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/1241.gif

Brain32
02-05-2006, 07:04 AM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content"> One lousy new fighter, whoopie doo. Sold down the river by Eurotheaterwhining. </div></BLOCKQUOTE>
For Japaneese - no info
For American - lawsuit(I soo wanted the Bearcat http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/cry.gif)
And BTW we(Eurotheaterwhiners) are here longer http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/mockface.gif http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-very-happy.gif

GonzoX
02-05-2006, 07:33 AM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by AFJ_Locust:
Time and time again ac that had no part of ww2 are introduced into the sim, why ?

While ac like B17, B25 variants, Blackwidow and many many more get left out. You guys alwayes spouting on about reality but this is not reality.

TA152 VERY RARE
Do-335A-0 EXPERIMENTAL
Bf-109K4 C3 1.98Ata VERY RARE MAYBE 50 ?
Bf-109Z EXPERIMENTAL
I85M71 RARE

Ya Its all about the reality isint it. </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

OK, let me explain this slowly so you will understand.

The reason these aircraft are in the FREE add on are because there are fans out there that designed them. Not because there is some conspiracey on 1C's part to annoy you.

If you wanted the Widdow then you should have been desigining it for the past two years and submitted it to Oleg like the other moddelers.

You can always go back to CFS2 and get your widdow.

jasonbirder
02-05-2006, 07:34 AM
Panic not...sounds like there are loads of Japanese goodies coming in the Il10/Manchuria add on!
Not free i know...but we're all gonna buy them right http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_wink.gif

Professor_06
02-05-2006, 11:35 AM
These are private 3rd party individuals who like to contribute 1000hr free programming hours to give you a present of a rare WWII plane model just for fun. How on earth can you pu-pu a gift.

Honestly I wish they would just do the P47 pit to standards. But these are European model builders doing their hobby, not mine.

dont worry..

1C will be doing the whole thing over from WW1 to Korea and all theatres in pay-for addons. This series is kaput for commercial reasons.

mortoma
02-05-2006, 12:03 PM
An open letter to Mr. AFJ_LOCUST:

The reason why we have the types of planes in add ons like we have is not so much due to what we should get, or what would be logical to get, but what thirdy-party modelers make to Oleg's standards and he has time to get into the sim!! The personal tastes of those talented enough to do this type of 3D modelling is what we are seeing. For example Gibbage liked to do exotic aircraft that did not participate in the war, with the exception of his nice P-38s. That was his own taste and he did the aircraft he liked, not the ones you and I necessarily like.

You want the guts of a B-17 modeled so we can fly the B-17??? Well nobody ever did the work for it, so we consequently don't have it!! Not one third-party individual desired to do the vast amount of work it would require.

So there you have it!! We have what we have and don't have what we don't have not due to some conspiracy to deprive you or anybody else or any side ( red or blue ) or any nationality. But due solely to what people were able and willing to model!! Why didn't you do the guts for the B-17 yourself??

zoomar
02-05-2006, 12:09 PM
As far as I am concerned, we have been enormously fortunate that Oleg and co keep putting up with all the whiners and still give us planes for Il2/FB/PF now that their main focus must have shifted to BoB. My own personal desire throughout the life of this sim series would have been for fewer subtypes for famous planes like the Bf109, FW190, A6M, Mig and Yak series, etc, and a wider variety of different types early on, but we are gradually getting the most complete suite of WW2 planes we can get. I'd like more Japanese planes, more single engined torpedo and ground attack planes, and more multiengined fighters and bombers, but I ain't comnplainin'. Seriously, does anyone REALLY care about the difference between the Bf190K-4 and G-10, which are just about the same when now we get a Mossie, J2M, and all those cute Italian Macchi-Castoldi's to tool around in?

I can't wait to strap myself into a Mossie.