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neural_dream
08-28-2007, 12:48 PM
Suppose our science was advanced enough that we could build a human 2.0, how would you make human 2.0?
For starters human 2.0 should have the gift of flight.


What else?

neural_dream
08-28-2007, 12:48 PM
Suppose our science was advanced enough that we could build a human 2.0, how would you make human 2.0?
For starters human 2.0 should have the gift of flight.


What else?

Airmail109
08-28-2007, 12:49 PM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by neural_dream:
Suppose our science was advanced enough that we could build a human 2.0, how would you make human 2.0?
For starters human 2.0 should have the gift of flight.


What else? </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

LOL, human 2.0 would be even more screwed up than us now and anyway why not discuss this in the Auras thread http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-tongue.gif

waffen-79
08-28-2007, 12:51 PM
2.0??


we're still BETA mate! http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif

Friendly_flyer
08-28-2007, 01:54 PM
As a biologist I'm with Waffen here. I think cleaning up a few major design flaws would be where I'd start, removing the apendix vermiformis for a start.

Viper2005_
08-28-2007, 01:54 PM
Surely as Darwin would have it, the way to manufacture Human 2.0 is to collect the best breeding stock and breed. Since I am the clearly the best male stock, all that remains is for you to bring me the fittest examples of the female of the species, and let nature take its course. http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/winky.gif

HA! Beat you to it Dux!

Airmail109
08-28-2007, 01:58 PM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by Viper2005_:
Surely as Darwin would have it, the way to manufacture Human 2.0 is to collect the best breeding stock and breed. Since I am the clearly the best male stock, all that remains is for you to bring me the fittest examples of the female of the species, and let nature take its course. http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/winky.gif

HA! Beat you to it Dux! </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

TBH, youd be shagging all the fat chicks with high iqs if you did that

and the odd hot and intelligent one

neural_dream
08-28-2007, 02:03 PM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by Aimail101:
TBH, youd be shagging all the fat chicks with high iqs if you did that </div></BLOCKQUOTE>
There are fat chicks with high iq?!!

joeap
08-28-2007, 02:28 PM
Maybe we need a reboot. http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/compsmash.gif

Divine-Wind
08-28-2007, 02:38 PM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by joeap:
Maybe we need a reboot. http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/compsmash.gif </div></BLOCKQUOTE>
http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/88.gif

DuxCorvan
08-28-2007, 02:39 PM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by Viper2005_:
Surely as Darwin would have it, the way to manufacture Human 2.0 is to collect the best breeding stock and breed. Since I am the clearly the best male stock, all that remains is for you to bring me the fittest examples of the female of the species, and let nature take its course. http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/winky.gif

HA! Beat you to it Dux! </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

Hi, daddy. I'm Human 2.01.

Airmail109
08-28-2007, 02:42 PM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by Divine-Wind:
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by joeap:
Maybe we need a reboot. http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/compsmash.gif </div></BLOCKQUOTE>
http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/88.gif </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

Give them 5 years and theyll be able to plug your brain into a computer and reformat selected parts of your memory

Ill be able to erase that time i had beer goggles http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-very-happy.gif

VW-IceFire
08-28-2007, 03:17 PM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by Aimail101:
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by Divine-Wind:
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by joeap:
Maybe we need a reboot. http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/compsmash.gif </div></BLOCKQUOTE>
http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/88.gif </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

Give them 5 years and theyll be able to plug your brain into a computer and reformat selected parts of your memory

Ill be able to erase that time i had beer goggles http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-very-happy.gif </div></BLOCKQUOTE>
While its hard to say impossible...its extremely extremely extremely improbable that someone could plug a chip in or a device and change your memories. The papers I've read on that pretty much have the researchers throwing up their hands in defeat...your brain does the computer equivalent of releasing a new OS version every day. Its a very efficient but very complex process as I understand it...so even if you tried to plug something in...you could never be certain of what was where in your brain because chances are lots of things are scattered all about and are always changing and being re-written.

So they might try and suppress the beer goggles incident but they might miss because the whole thing has been changed since they set out to do it and consequently you forget that you even like beer http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif

(assuming you like beer)

I found the whole read rather fascinating.

I don't think I want a Human 2.0. We're bad enough as it is..."improvements" usually mean tradeoffs although getting rid of wisdom teeth and appendixes I think is fairly safe. On the other hand should we ever find ourselves without dentists and a strong need to chew on tree bark those two may prove yet again useful in a few thousand years http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_smile.gif

Retrofish
08-28-2007, 03:35 PM
Better AI.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lj3iNxZ8Dww

http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif

Stew278
08-28-2007, 04:05 PM
Infrared night vision.

Better self repair systems. Nerves that regrow, self healing cartilage, backups for all vital organs, and limbs that can regenerate. But all of that new cell growth might increase the risk of cancer, so we'd need better DNA transcription to reduce things like that and vulnerability to viruses. But that would reduce the rate of mutations and maybe slow evolution. And on and on....

A metabolism that adapts quicker to abundance/scarcity of food so people have an easier time controlling their weight.

And the females should have less extreme hormone fluctuations and libidos that match those of the males. The females should also be equipped with a mute button. http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_wink.gif

DuxCorvan
08-28-2007, 04:12 PM
******-in-a-hand. http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_cool.gif

Airmail109
08-28-2007, 04:13 PM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by VW-IceFire:
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by Aimail101:
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by Divine-Wind:
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by joeap:
Maybe we need a reboot. http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/compsmash.gif </div></BLOCKQUOTE>
http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/88.gif </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

Give them 5 years and theyll be able to plug your brain into a computer and reformat selected parts of your memory

Ill be able to erase that time i had beer goggles http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-very-happy.gif </div></BLOCKQUOTE>
While its hard to say impossible...its extremely extremely extremely improbable that someone could plug a chip in or a device and change your memories. The papers I've read on that pretty much have the researchers throwing up their hands in defeat...your brain does the computer equivalent of releasing a new OS version every day. Its a very efficient but very complex process as I understand it...so even if you tried to plug something in...you could never be certain of what was where in your brain because chances are lots of things are scattered all about and are always changing and being re-written.

So they might try and suppress the beer goggles incident but they might miss because the whole thing has been changed since they set out to do it and consequently you forget that you even like beer http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif

(assuming you like beer)

I found the whole read rather fascinating.

I don't think I want a Human 2.0. We're bad enough as it is..."improvements" usually mean tradeoffs although getting rid of wisdom teeth and appendixes I think is fairly safe. On the other hand should we ever find ourselves without dentists and a strong need to chew on tree bark those two may prove yet again useful in a few thousand years http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_smile.gif </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

Great post Icefire! http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-very-happy.gif

I enjoyed reading that. I'll have to read up about it!

On that topic did you hear about the brain-dead guy they managed to switch back on?

M_Gunz
08-28-2007, 04:27 PM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by Aimail101:
Give them 5 years and theyll be able to plug your brain into a computer and reformat selected parts of your memory </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

There's the old-tech versions of brain reformat; school, church, and boot camp!

XyZspineZyX
08-28-2007, 04:28 PM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by neural_dream:
Suppose our science was advanced enough that we could build a human 2.0, how would you make human 2.0?
For starters human 2.0 should have the gift of flight.


What else? </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

Well, since my dream is to be a Blade Runner, I think that Human 2.0 should be called "Nexus 6", and hang out in the Kipple

Viper2005_
08-28-2007, 04:58 PM
When combined with VW-IceFire's post this raises the inevitable question:

"Do cyborgs dream of electric sheep?"

(with apologies to Philip K. ****)

XyZspineZyX
08-28-2007, 04:59 PM
Androids http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_wink.gif

Jediteo
08-28-2007, 05:21 PM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by BBB462cid:
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by neural_dream:
Suppose our science was advanced enough that we could build a human 2.0, how would you make human 2.0?
For starters human 2.0 should have the gift of flight.


What else? </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

Well, since my dream is to be a Blade Runner, I think that Human 2.0 should be called "Nexus 6", and hang out in the Kipple </div></BLOCKQUOTE>


I like the idea of "Retiring" the "skinjobs"
I think humanity is good as it is, there are some flaws however but we all need targets don't we?

snafu73
08-28-2007, 05:45 PM
The Transhumanists are already on the case:

http://www.transhumanism.org/index.php/WTA/index/

neural_dream
08-28-2007, 05:53 PM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by Viper2005_:
(with apologies to Philip K. ****) </div></BLOCKQUOTE>
You're right, this Philip K. is a **** alright http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_razz.gif

Tachyon1000
08-28-2007, 06:02 PM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by neural_dream:
Suppose our science was advanced enough that we could build a human 2.0, how would you make human 2.0?
For starters human 2.0 should have the gift of flight.


What else? </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

How about the ability to refrain from making stupid off topic postings in forums?

Viper2005_
08-28-2007, 06:13 PM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by BBB462cid:
Androids http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_wink.gif </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

Yes that's the original title, but VW-IceFire was talking about Cyborgs, and I thought that the connection was an amusing one. Hence the apology to the late author. http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_wink.gif

neural_dream
08-28-2007, 08:53 PM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by Tachyon1000:
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by neural_dream:
Suppose our science was advanced enough that we could build a human 2.0, how would you make human 2.0?
For starters human 2.0 should have the gift of flight.
What else? </div></BLOCKQUOTE>
How about the ability to refrain from making stupid off topic postings in forums? </div></BLOCKQUOTE>
Nice idea. A 2.0 version of yourself would have refrained from posting offtopic here.

AVG_WarHawk
08-28-2007, 09:11 PM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by waffen-79:
2.0??


we're still BETA mate! http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

My wife says men are still in the alpha stage http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-sad.gif

alert_1
08-29-2007, 01:30 AM
Actually I mean that
Sorry BSOD again http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/35.gif

Bewolf
08-29-2007, 01:42 AM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by Stew278:

And the females should have less extreme hormone fluctuations and libidos that match those of the males. http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_wink.gif </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

They actually have. In fact even stronger then male ones. But yanno, a 1000 years of culturual "education" of how to propperly behave especially on the female side ruins even the best things. It's our own darn fault!

Luckily the younger samples of the female subspecies appear to be more open about this http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif

Deadmeat313
08-29-2007, 03:58 AM
Human 2.0 must be able to do powerful roundhouse kicks.

"Human 2.0 does not sleep. He waits."


T.

neural_dream
08-29-2007, 11:29 AM
Human 2.0 could easily have some spiderman skills. http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/sci/tech/6967474.stm. They come in handy especially during building evacuations. Of course flight would e even better. It wouldn't be tragic seeing a man jumping out of the twin towers.

SeaFireLIV
08-29-2007, 12:22 PM
This was an old college question in my arts foundation course many years ago. As here, there were many silly answers as well as good ones.

1.One was to remove all pubic hair from the Human body (except for head hair) as, apparently that had no actual use.

2. Another was to have our eyes at the side of our heads and they would be universallly movable like chameleons. Then we could see in front and behind at all times.

3. Two hearts, with a third back up.

4. All waste used up completely so no need for the loo.

5. Skin as tough as pliable metal.

6. Double the size of the brain. So we would have might big heads.
Blah, blah, blah.

Then we had to draw it. W certainly had some strange new Humans.

faustnik
08-29-2007, 12:32 PM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by SeaFireLIV:
2. Another was to have our eyes at the side of our heads and they would be universallly movable like chameleons. Then we could see in front and behind at all times. </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

This would mean poor depth perception.

Apes have their eyes forward because they are brachiators, they swing from branch to branch. The side effect is that we can shoot well, and hit a baseball.

MEGILE
08-29-2007, 12:43 PM
I am a level 14 thetan.

BaldieJr
08-29-2007, 01:47 PM
i'd work toward shedding as much of the organic shell as possible so our consciousnesses could finally evolve and reach into space. the body is a broken vessel that serves to inhibit the mind.

DuxCorvan
08-29-2007, 01:50 PM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by SeaFireLIV:
1.One was to remove all pubic hair from the Human body (except for head hair) as, apparently that had no actual use. </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

No! What will I use to stuff my pillow then? http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-mad.gif

BTW, I didn't know head hair was considered 'pubic hair', since you find necessary to make the exception... http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_razz.gif

SeaFireLIV
08-29-2007, 02:54 PM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by DuxCorvan:
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by SeaFireLIV:
1.One was to remove all pubic hair from the Human body (except for head hair) as, apparently that had no actual use. </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

No! What will I use to stuff my pillow then? http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-mad.gif

BTW, I didn't know head hair was considered 'pubic hair', since you find necessary to make the exception... http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_razz.gif </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

I must be getting to know you, Dux, cos I figured you`d respond to that! Yea, i saw my error, but once I typed it couldn`t be bothered to go thru the whole signing in routine just to change it. Funny this forum is about that.

joeap
08-29-2007, 05:33 PM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by BaldieJr:
i'd work toward shedding as much of the organic shell as possible so our consciousnesses could finally evolve and reach into space. the body is a broken vessel that serves to inhibit the mind. </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

No mate, we are the fusion of our body and brain (mind) we can't actually do anything without our body unless we get a better one.

BaldieJr
08-29-2007, 06:04 PM
if consciousness can't be migrated then mankind should move the body into more hostile environs until change manifests through natural adaptations. we can't make the next evolutionary jump by exhausting earthly resources. we're going to have to adapt to life in the heavens. our mind craves the infinite which is why we continue to exist. out there is our future (pointing up). in order to get there, we need to adapt to unhere.

Copperhead311th
08-29-2007, 11:15 PM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by neural_dream:
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by Aimail101:
TBH, youd be shagging all the fat chicks with high iqs if you did that </div></BLOCKQUOTE>
There are fat chicks with high iq?!! </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

IQ = Insulin Quotas

Capt.LoneRanger
08-30-2007, 01:01 AM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by faustnik:
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by SeaFireLIV:
2. Another was to have our eyes at the side of our heads and they would be universallly movable like chameleons. Then we could see in front and behind at all times. </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

This would mean poor depth perception.

Apes have their eyes forward because they are brachiators, they swing from branch to branch. The side effect is that we can shoot well, and hit a baseball. </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

Actually that concept has evolved, because you can hunt down prey better, because you can estimate sprints and distances better. We're all carnivores in the end, though some people try to deny that and risk health risks (Humans cannot produce Vitamin B - they have to take that from animals they eat - wish that more vegetarians knew that, because some of them are upbringing their children vegetarian and since Vitamin B is vital for brain-functions and development, they are risking some serious problems here. This is also extremely risky during pregnancy...)

neural_dream
08-30-2007, 02:31 AM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by Capt.LoneRanger:
We're all carnivores in the end, though some people try to deny that and risk health risks (Humans cannot produce Vitamin B - they have to take that from animals they eat - wish that more vegetarians knew that, because some of them are upbringing their children vegetarian and since Vitamin B is vital for brain-functions and development, they are risking some serious problems here. This is also extremely risky during pregnancy...) </div></BLOCKQUOTE>
All that is new to me. You are saying that vegetarians risk their lives and that they lack Vitamin B which is vital for brain functions. Yet, this week I read this article in the news: http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/health/6180753.stm . I think you meant vegan, not vegeterian.

Friendly_flyer
08-30-2007, 02:41 AM
Hrmth...

While we humans are undoubtly carnivores, the stereoscopic vision developed well before we came down from the trees and started terrorizing the other savannah inhabitants.

For the Human 2.0, an extra eye in the back of the head would come in handy. It appears my wife have one already.

DuxCorvan
08-30-2007, 09:35 AM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by BaldieJr:
The body is a broken vessel that serves to inhibit the mind. </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

Exactly. Our skull is a vessel that serves to inhibit our yogurt-like brain from scattering like puke all over the place. That's why we need one.

Low_Flyer_MkVb
08-30-2007, 10:10 AM
I want a retractable appendage, ideally attatched to the lower right wrist, that would catch those too soggy bits that fall off a dunked biscuit into my tea.

Viper2005_
08-30-2007, 10:37 AM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by Capt.LoneRanger:
We're all carnivores in the end, though some people try to deny that and risk health risks (Humans cannot produce Vitamin B - they have to take that from animals they eat - wish that more vegetarians knew that, because some of them are upbringing their children vegetarian and since Vitamin B is vital for brain-functions and development, they are risking some serious problems here. This is also extremely risky during pregnancy...) </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

B/S.

There are plenty of vegetarian sources for Vitamin B, including potatoes, marmite and beer...

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Vitamin_B

(Without wishing to come across as a braggart, I also feel obliged to observe that I'm a lifelong vegetarian, I'm about to start a PhD and my IQ is more than 2 standard deviations above the mean, though I will refrain from quoting a precise figure...)

MEGILE
08-30-2007, 11:54 AM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by Viper2005_:
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by Capt.LoneRanger:
We're all carnivores in the end, though some people try to deny that and risk health risks (Humans cannot produce Vitamin B - they have to take that from animals they eat - wish that more vegetarians knew that, because some of them are upbringing their children vegetarian and since Vitamin B is vital for brain-functions and development, they are risking some serious problems here. This is also extremely risky during pregnancy...) </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

B/S.

There are plenty of vegetarian sources for Vitamin B, including potatoes, marmite and beer...

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Vitamin_B

(Without wishing to come across as a braggart, I also feel obliged to observe that I'm a lifelong vegetarian, I'm about to start a PhD and my IQ is more than 2 standard deviations above the mean, though I will refrain from quoting a precise figure...) </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

Please name a source of food which naturally contains Vitamin B12, and isn't from animal origin, doesn't require manufacture, and would be easily accessible to paleolithic man. (Your link will even help you)

Humans are naturally Omnivores. Of this there is no doubt.. the main question however is over the balance.

I know some "vegetarians" who eat eggs, and fish. This is a very wise choice.

BaldieJr
08-30-2007, 01:28 PM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by DuxCorvan:
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by BaldieJr:
The body is a broken vessel that serves to inhibit the mind. </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

Exactly. Our skull is a vessel that serves to inhibit our yogurt-like brain from scattering like puke all over the place. That's why we need one. </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

I'd rather mine was made of Kevlar. I'm certain man will some day recreate his shell. This will allow us to explore environments that would otherwise be inhospitable.

Airmail109
08-30-2007, 04:53 PM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by neural_dream:
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by Capt.LoneRanger:
We're all carnivores in the end, though some people try to deny that and risk health risks (Humans cannot produce Vitamin B - they have to take that from animals they eat - wish that more vegetarians knew that, because some of them are upbringing their children vegetarian and since Vitamin B is vital for brain-functions and development, they are risking some serious problems here. This is also extremely risky during pregnancy...) </div></BLOCKQUOTE>
All that is new to me. You are saying that vegetarians risk their lives and that they lack Vitamin B which is vital for brain functions. Yet, this week I read this article in the news: http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/health/6180753.stm . I think you meant vegan, not vegeterian. </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

Article says High Iq childeren are more likely to BECOME vegetarian.

Being the liberal left wing hippies they often become.

Loneranger was right. You cannot get vitamen B12 from anything except meat discounting fortified foods.

Airmail109
08-30-2007, 04:56 PM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by BaldieJr:
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by DuxCorvan:
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by BaldieJr:
The body is a broken vessel that serves to inhibit the mind. </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

Exactly. Our skull is a vessel that serves to inhibit our yogurt-like brain from scattering like puke all over the place. That's why we need one. </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

I'd rather mine was made of Kevlar. I'm certain man will some day recreate his shell. This will allow us to explore environments that would otherwise be inhospitable. </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

If you gave a cranio surgeon enough money, Im sure hed be willing to replace your skull with kevlar. Titanium replacements have already been done on guys with half their heads missing from shrapnel

Airmail109
08-30-2007, 04:58 PM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by Viper2005_:
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by Capt.LoneRanger:
We're all carnivores in the end, though some people try to deny that and risk health risks (Humans cannot produce Vitamin B - they have to take that from animals they eat - wish that more vegetarians knew that, because some of them are upbringing their children vegetarian and since Vitamin B is vital for brain-functions and development, they are risking some serious problems here. This is also extremely risky during pregnancy...) </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

B/S.

There are plenty of vegetarian sources for Vitamin B, including potatoes, marmite and beer...

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Vitamin_B

(Without wishing to come across as a braggart, I also feel obliged to observe that I'm a lifelong vegetarian, I'm about to start a PhD and my IQ is more than 2 standard deviations above the mean, though I will refrain from quoting a precise figure...) </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

My IQ is 129, I play "Go" for fun. I eat meat......your point being?

If your deficient in B12, your academic ability will suffer.

Korolov1986
08-30-2007, 05:02 PM
You guys are asking for way too much.

I am already augmented. Kneel before KOROLOV! http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-tongue.gif

BaldieJr
08-30-2007, 05:35 PM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by Aimail101:
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by BaldieJr:
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by DuxCorvan:
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by BaldieJr:
The body is a broken vessel that serves to inhibit the mind. </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

Exactly. Our skull is a vessel that serves to inhibit our yogurt-like brain from scattering like puke all over the place. That's why we need one. </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

I'd rather mine was made of Kevlar. I'm certain man will some day recreate his shell. This will allow us to explore environments that would otherwise be inhospitable. </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

If you gave a cranio surgeon enough money, Im sure hed be willing to replace your skull with kevlar. Titanium replacements have already been done on guys with half their heads missing from shrapnel </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

A cranial surgeon can't do that. He could patch a hole, but he couldn't move my brain into a Kevlar skull.

I reckon we should get everyone up to v1.0 before anyone will be interested in v2.0. I've discovered a series of compounds that can help the lesser minds develop more thoroughly, but I doubt it would ever be accepted. Self-improvement is something self has to want, and lets face it, most people don't want to admit they are lacking in anything.

Copperhead311th
08-30-2007, 05:37 PM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by DuxCorvan:
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by BaldieJr:
The body is a broken vessel that serves to inhibit the mind. </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

Exactly. Our skull is a vessel that serves to inhibit our yogurt-like brain from scattering like puke all over the place. That's why we need one. </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

Ummm that's not exactly the case there Dux. I heard on the news today that acording to a German Court...you don't need a skull.

the story goes a German man recanlty had brain surgery. Which required them to remove the top of his skull wile the worked on his nooble. lol
well....when you do that you have to keep the top of the skull in the fridge or to keep it fresh while the operation is on going.
But it seems that some one at this hospital forgot to call the damn maytag repairman out becuase the large medical freidge that they used to store the top half of this guys skull went out. No one caught it. and the skull went bad!
So they had to repalce it with a hard plastic skull.
When the guy tried ti file a law suit against them....the court ruled in the hospitals favor statingthat since the replacemnt skull was better than the original.....the palintiff was not entitled to any sort of settlemnt.
the Poor guy only got around 2,400 Euro for his trouble.

can you f-ing belive that schitt! lol
Lawyers and Doctors will be the end of mankind as we know it i swear to God.

Viper2005_
08-30-2007, 06:36 PM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by Megile:
Please name a source of food which naturally contains Vitamin B12, and isn't from animal origin, doesn't require manufacture, and would be easily accessible to paleolithic man. (Your link will even help you)

Humans are naturally Omnivores. Of this there is no doubt.. the main question however is over the balance.

I know some "vegetarians" who eat eggs, and fish. This is a very wise choice. </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

Angelica sinensis,
Bacteria,
Dairy products.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cyanocobalamin

I'm pretty confident that all three would be certified by the Vegetarian Society...

Of course, it all depends upon which historical model you decide to work with, since you might well decide that Angelica sinensis or even Dairy products weren't available.

However, this is all slightly sideways; I never suggested that our ancestors weren't omnivorous. I just called B/S upon the assertion that vegetarianism is dangerous, and especially the suggestion the vegetarianism is inherently damaging to brain development.

BaldieJr
08-30-2007, 07:10 PM
vegetarianism is inherently damaging to brain development.

anytime you make an issue(or club, political theory, way of life, or some other ism) of a biological function you can bet that some part of your brain has stopped developing.

Viper2005_
08-30-2007, 07:29 PM
Interesting argument. How exactly do people on your planet deal with sewage?

BaldieJr
08-30-2007, 07:43 PM
we don't. we let you take care of yourself. now we are even. do you want to make insults or have open discussion?

Viper2005_
08-30-2007, 08:31 PM
I merely asked a rhetorical question. If you were insulted by it then I'm afraid that's your problem. Your infantile response speaks for itself.

You said:

<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">anytime you make an issue(or club, political theory, way of life, or some other ism) of a biological function you can bet that some part of your brain has stopped developing. </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

Since you failed to understand my response, I will expand upon it:

Sewage is the direct result of a biological function. Obviously it is a political issue since to put it bluntly you wouldn't like it if people turned your garden into a latrine, and if they did, the success of any legal action you might take to prevent them from doing so would be reliant upon legislation passed by politicians.

It also so happens that the effective disposal of sewage is one of the greatest forward steps ever taken by humanity, and was brought about largely as a result of the political pressure applied by the Great Stink of 1858.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Great_Stink

I would therefore suggest that the politicisation of human biological functions is not necessarily indicative of cognitive failure as you suggest.

BaldieJr
08-30-2007, 09:13 PM
so you admit that vegetarianism is merely a form of politics.

if my garden were a latrine i'd save a lot of money in fertilizer.

but you and i can't discuss things using common sense as it is two words and doesn't fit the current socio-political construct in which nothing is valid unless it is an ism.

so poo poo to you too

Viper2005_
08-30-2007, 09:23 PM
Sadly everything is a form of politics...

JimmyBlonde
08-31-2007, 12:18 AM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by Viper2005_:
Sadly everything is a form of politics... </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

Ham is not a form of politics.

BaldieJr
08-31-2007, 12:30 AM
I fully support Hamism except in cases where Blitz is involved.

Friendly_flyer
08-31-2007, 12:49 AM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by Viper2005_:
Angelica sinensis,
Bacteria,
Dairy products.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cyanocobalamin

I'm pretty confident that all three would be certified by the Vegetarian Society... </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

Non of these would be available in a stone age society, except perhaps the Angelica sinensis for those living in East Asia. Perhaps the European Angelica archangelica could be substituted, but is is only available in the summer! Animals are there all year.

major_setback
08-31-2007, 01:18 AM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by Retrofish:
Better AI.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lj3iNxZ8Dww

http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

eeeeeeeeeeeeeee.
http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_smile.gif
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=F226lI-lo5M&feature=dir

Trigger_88
08-31-2007, 02:01 AM
Wow guys, were discussing politics now in an il2 forum!!! We must be pretty bored! I think we need SoW BoB to end this for us! http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_rolleyes.gif

neural_dream
09-05-2007, 10:28 AM
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