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NAFP_supah
06-18-2005, 05:35 AM
Hello!

Was one of these birds ever planned for PF? I've been reading up on it recently and I feel it would add a lot to the game, offline and online. It's a good airplane to graduate to after the Ki-43. It had a stronger engine, better armament (the final version had 2 x 12.7 + 2 x 40 mm) and butterfly flaps which are great on the Ki-43. Quite a good number of these birds were made and used in combat , way more then say the Ki-100. It, and some more version of the Ki-43, would add greatly to offline IJA campaigns.

NAFP_supah
06-18-2005, 05:35 AM
Hello!

Was one of these birds ever planned for PF? I've been reading up on it recently and I feel it would add a lot to the game, offline and online. It's a good airplane to graduate to after the Ki-43. It had a stronger engine, better armament (the final version had 2 x 12.7 + 2 x 40 mm) and butterfly flaps which are great on the Ki-43. Quite a good number of these birds were made and used in combat , way more then say the Ki-100. It, and some more version of the Ki-43, would add greatly to offline IJA campaigns.

Asgeir_Strips
06-18-2005, 05:42 AM
I Agree, in a Pacific Fighters (Special Addition of Flight Journal) some p51 pilots said that they met a lot of Oscars, Tojo's (Shoki) and Franks over China.. They said that the Shoki was more than a match for the P51 (of course the Mustang was faster, and maneuvered better at high altitudes, but the bomber escorts wasn't always at high altitude. Most of the time it was medium altitude..)

If they are going to make another free addon, i would like to see the Tojo in the game... Also the Nate, and Nell bomber..

NAFP_supah
06-18-2005, 05:47 AM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by Asgeir_Strips:
I Agree, in a Pacific Fighters (Special Addition of Flight Journal) some p51 pilots said that they met a lot of Oscars, Tojo's (Shoki) and Franks over China.. They said that the Shoki was more than a match for the P51 (of course the Mustang was faster, and maneuvered better at high altitudes, but the bomber escorts wasn't always at high altitude. Most of the time it was medium altitude..)

If they are going to make another free addon, i would like to see the Tojo in the game... Also the Nate, and Nell bomber.. </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

From what I read it was the aircraft most feared by B-29 crews at the time http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_smile.gif Its turning was considerably less then other japanese planes of the time but its speed and ability to reach the B-29's altitude and engage them in a effective manner compensated for that. It would be an interesting change from the Ki-43 in early war scenarios as it requires different tactics focussing more on speed then on manouvrabillity.

ku101-Ink.
06-18-2005, 05:57 AM
Add to that the pits for the Jack and George and we are away http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif, but I might swap them all for the pit for the Kate http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/cry.gif

ImpStarDuece
06-18-2005, 07:59 AM
The Ki-44 was the antithesis of Japanese fighter design.

It was built for speed and climb, had very small wings, a slab sided fuselage, was quite heavy, wasn't very manouverable and had significant armour and self sealing fuel tanks.

It was however, one of the best, if not the best, Japanese interceptors of the war. It was only equalled by the Ki-84 and N1K2-J and these came late in the war.

At sea level the Ki-44 did over 3,900 feet/min sustained, carried its rate of climb up to high alt better than most Japanese single seaters and was very effectively armed in later versions.

The first Ki-44s were about 40 serise I production aircraft, with a 1200 hp Homare engine. They actually amounted to little more than a pre-production and testing run as even before the first serise I production airframes were entering service, an improved serise II was taking to the air. They swapped out the Ha-41 double row 14 cylinder radial and replaced it with a Ha-109, a similar radial that produced 1560 hp at sealevel and over 2000 hp at 20,000 feet. Armament was altered to 4 12.7 mm HMG in the IIb, which was the major production version.

Caseless 40mm cannon and normal 37mm cannon were also mounted on Ki-44s but only very in limited numbers. The 40mm had such a low velocity that it wasn't nearly as effective as the 37mm. They did have thier successes though, catching a formation of 120 B-29s over Tokyo and downing 10 of them. The IIc version, which was supposed to be produced in numbers as a B-29 interceptor but never really made it past pre production stage, mounted 4 20mm Ho-3.

In total around 1250 Ki-44s of all types were made. For all their armour and self sealing fuel tanks they were still as vulnerable as most Japanese types to US .50 calibre ammunition, particularly API.

The Ki-44 was the equal of most US types in a dive and pulled around 390 mph at altitude (if reports of overboosting are believed, otherwise its usually quoted at about 379), making it one of the fastest Japanese fighters of the period. However unlike most Japanese types it really wasn't a pilots aircraft. At one stage pilots were completely banned from performing aerobatics and flick rolls witht he Tojo. The Ki-44 also had problems with stalls and spins at high altitude, wasn't really 'at home' above 25,000 feet like most US types and had very difficult stall and spin recovery characteristics.

It would ba a real challenge to fly this bird in PF if it was ever included. It would make such a change from the manouverable and light Japnese fighters, sort of like a Japanese

goshikisen
06-18-2005, 08:23 AM
Found a couple progress shots from August 2004 on the Avia forum... looks like a ki-44 was started by a modeller by the name of deadmoroz.

http://forum.sukhoi.ru/attachment.php?attachmentid=28237

http://forum.sukhoi.ru/attachment.php?attachmentid=28808

nakamura_kenji
06-18-2005, 05:23 PM
me want p_q i always wonder why get ki-46 dinah instead of ki-44 v_v japanese very represented war many major plane missing. I hope one day get more but think wait very long time.

i love ki-44 and maybe ki-43-ii be in game make fly much more interesting can always hope

LEXX_Luthor
06-18-2005, 05:30 PM
Very interesting opinions about Ki~44... ~~&gt; http://www.yarchive.net/mil/ki-43.html

Here are the 44 parts...

<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content"> The Ki-44 was replaced by the Ki-84, theoretically a good move, but it might
have made more sense to keep the Ki-44 in production anyway, perhaps shutting
down Ki-43 production at Tachikawa replacing it with Ki-44 production.
Tachikawa built Ki-43s until the end of the war; Nakajima itself stopped
building Ki-43s in Oct., 1944 and ended Ki-44 production in favor of Ki-84
production in Dec., 1944.
It's worth pointing out that while the Japanese Navy stuck pretty much with the
A6M manuever fighter, the Japanese Army went from the Ki-43 maneuver fighter to
the Ki-44, Ki-61 and Ki-84, all energy fighters.
As the USAAF introduced superior fighers, so did the JAAF. When an American
Army pilot was flying the P-40, he met the Ki-43. He got the P-47 or the P-38
and he met the Ki-44 and Ki-61. He got the P-51 and he met the Ki-84. When
the USN/USMC pilot was flying the F4F, he met the Zero. When he was flying
the F6F he met the Zero. When he was flying the F4U, he met the Zero. It's
another point of superiority of the JAAF over the JNAF that is largely
overlooked.
:
:
:

&gt;I thought all of the 44's were kept at home.

The 87th Fighter Regiment, equipped with Ki-44s defended the oil fields of the
DEI. The 49FG (P-38s) had some terrific fights with Tojos over Balikpapen in
the fall of 1944. Ops Exec Gerry Johnson got into a desperate one-on-one with
a Tojo over Manggar airfield in Oct., the fight dropping from 24,000 ft down to
the deck and back up to 19,000 ft before he was able to nail the Ki-44. Both
planes could dive AND climb like sonsuv*****es so the dogfight wasn't the usual
nose-below-the-horizon spiral.

&gt; Was the 44 superior to the 61?

Put my money on the Ki-44. </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

nakamura_kenji
06-18-2005, 05:40 PM
yes navy stupid never a7m reppu enter service which was test report believe cappable of 380mph and able to turn with a6m on combat flap setting, unlike bf-109z reppu was built but never go past prototype p_q.

late ki-43 mostly use kamikaze but why not say use ki-44(maybe more difficult make?) faster move plane harder hit than slow one.

DuxCorvan
06-18-2005, 06:03 PM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by goshikisen:
Found a couple progress shots from August 2004 on the Avia forum... looks like a ki-44 was started by a modeller by the name of deadmoroz. </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

DeadMoroz is now modelling for RTW mods, so I guess this is dead...

nakamura_kenji
06-18-2005, 06:09 PM
i can probably make model but doubt be excepted as far past deadline for planes be consider to added p_q

actionhank1786
06-18-2005, 07:42 PM
I'd really like to see more of the Japanese twin engined bombers, and where the hell is the Tony!?

nakamura_kenji
06-18-2005, 08:19 PM
tony in game already it ki-61 hein

goshikisen
06-18-2005, 09:10 PM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by actionhank1786:
I'd really like to see more of the Japanese twin engined bombers, and where the hell is the Tony!? </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

Do you mean the Ki-45 Toryu (Nick)? If that's the one you mean... good question.

RAC_Pips
06-18-2005, 10:03 PM
If only it were in the game..... sleek, fast, beautiful and, in the right hands, deadly.
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v221/PipsPriller/Japanese/ki44hjb_1.jpg

actionhank1786
06-18-2005, 10:12 PM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by goshikisen:
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by actionhank1786:
I'd really like to see more of the Japanese twin engined bombers, and where the hell is the Tony!? </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

Do you mean the Ki-45 Toryu (Nick)? If that's the one you mean... good question. </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

Nick!
That's it!
We need nick, someone call up Nick!