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Crash_Moses
01-11-2008, 02:34 PM
Okay, so we had a nice little discussion earlier about the lack of new pilots on-line and one topic that kept coming up was the dearth of nugget friendly servers on Hyperlobby and so I gots ta thinkin' that...heck...most people just looked at the servers at the top of the list and many of the best servers (like PacCon) were unpopulated due to their position in the list (yes I know you can sort them...but how many nuggets know that?) Then I gots ta thinkin' that it would be cool to have a list you could glance at to find something that fits your style of play.

Soooooooo...I went overboard again (click the PBJ Ordinance Delivery Manual in my sig for further evidence of insanity) and spent some time sorting the servers on Hyperlobby by their difficulty settings.

Then I created an Excel spreadsheet that let me assign values to each of the difficulty settings and I used these to generate a difficulty score for each server.

Of course, these scores are based on my interpretation of what I find difficult. I'm sure there are many of you who think they can do better and are probably right. The spreadsheet I created allows you to assign a number to a difficulty and it changes the score throughout the sheet. To assign a difficulty standard to a particular server just put an "x" in the cell and the score will automatically update. Vice versa with removing a difficulty setting. Anyone who wants the spreadsheet just send me a PM and I'll e-mail it to ya.

2 Separate Engine Start
4 Complex Eng. Management
4 Engine Overheat
6 Torque and Gyro Effects
6 Flutter Effect
6 Wind and Turbulence
6 Stall and Spins
8 Vulnerability
6 Blackouts and Redouts
8 Realistic Gunnery
8 Limited Ammo
8 Limited Fuel
10 Cockpit Always On
10 No external Views
6 Headshake
10 No Icons
10 No Padlock
4 Clouds
2 No Instant Success
6 Takeoff and Landing
6 Realistic Landing
6 No Map Icons
6 No Minimap Path
8 No Speedbar

Next, I divided the servers into four groups; Rookie, Veteran, Ace, and FISC. FISC stands for Full Immersion Squadron Community and I included it because many of the servers are FISC members (although not all the servers listed under the FISC heading are members...they just met the requirements which is all difficulty settings checked except 'No Speedbar'). For more information go here: http://www.gofisc.com

I set the Rookie cutoff point at 118 points because that's where the remaining servers started checking 'Cockpit Always On'. I set the Veteran cutoff point at 140 points as that's where the remaining servers had 'No External Views' always checked. Feel free to disagree. Maybe some statitician out there can suggest better criteria. I'm just a humble telecom tech.

Also, many servers aren't up all the time so if you don't see your server (or your favorite server) it's because I didn't see it. So don't yell at me!

Without further ado...

http://i4.photobucket.com/albums/y125/Crash_Moses/HyperlobbyRatingChart-1.jpg

Crash_Moses
01-11-2008, 02:34 PM
Okay, so we had a nice little discussion earlier about the lack of new pilots on-line and one topic that kept coming up was the dearth of nugget friendly servers on Hyperlobby and so I gots ta thinkin' that...heck...most people just looked at the servers at the top of the list and many of the best servers (like PacCon) were unpopulated due to their position in the list (yes I know you can sort them...but how many nuggets know that?) Then I gots ta thinkin' that it would be cool to have a list you could glance at to find something that fits your style of play.

Soooooooo...I went overboard again (click the PBJ Ordinance Delivery Manual in my sig for further evidence of insanity) and spent some time sorting the servers on Hyperlobby by their difficulty settings.

Then I created an Excel spreadsheet that let me assign values to each of the difficulty settings and I used these to generate a difficulty score for each server.

Of course, these scores are based on my interpretation of what I find difficult. I'm sure there are many of you who think they can do better and are probably right. The spreadsheet I created allows you to assign a number to a difficulty and it changes the score throughout the sheet. To assign a difficulty standard to a particular server just put an "x" in the cell and the score will automatically update. Vice versa with removing a difficulty setting. Anyone who wants the spreadsheet just send me a PM and I'll e-mail it to ya.

2 Separate Engine Start
4 Complex Eng. Management
4 Engine Overheat
6 Torque and Gyro Effects
6 Flutter Effect
6 Wind and Turbulence
6 Stall and Spins
8 Vulnerability
6 Blackouts and Redouts
8 Realistic Gunnery
8 Limited Ammo
8 Limited Fuel
10 Cockpit Always On
10 No external Views
6 Headshake
10 No Icons
10 No Padlock
4 Clouds
2 No Instant Success
6 Takeoff and Landing
6 Realistic Landing
6 No Map Icons
6 No Minimap Path
8 No Speedbar

Next, I divided the servers into four groups; Rookie, Veteran, Ace, and FISC. FISC stands for Full Immersion Squadron Community and I included it because many of the servers are FISC members (although not all the servers listed under the FISC heading are members...they just met the requirements which is all difficulty settings checked except 'No Speedbar'). For more information go here: http://www.gofisc.com

I set the Rookie cutoff point at 118 points because that's where the remaining servers started checking 'Cockpit Always On'. I set the Veteran cutoff point at 140 points as that's where the remaining servers had 'No External Views' always checked. Feel free to disagree. Maybe some statitician out there can suggest better criteria. I'm just a humble telecom tech.

Also, many servers aren't up all the time so if you don't see your server (or your favorite server) it's because I didn't see it. So don't yell at me!

Without further ado...

http://i4.photobucket.com/albums/y125/Crash_Moses/HyperlobbyRatingChart-1.jpg

Fireball_
01-11-2008, 04:57 PM
Crash, very useful to see the servers presented this way. Good job!

A couple comments. (I'm sure you expected no less from this group. http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_smile.gif:

-I was surprised to see Skies of Valor listed as a rookie server. I guess that's the way your points worked out, but it is a "Cockpit Always On" server, and that one factor alone seems like it might move a server out of the Rookie column.

-Another factor that might be a little hard to quantify is how limited the planesets are on a server. Servers that are historically oriented normally have a much smaller planeset to chose from for any given mission. That overall makes things more difficult in my mind. You have to have a little more experience to be able to jump into a variety of planes and fly respectably.

Thanks for the work you did on this!

Lucius_Esox
01-11-2008, 05:37 PM
A very laudible effort m8,,, well done... http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/clap.gif

A usefull list. Just a point. In terms of flying difficulty something like this will be very usefull. Some servers get populated by good pilots who know that servers setting well. Consequently some servers are very easy to get killed on.

I don't fly on too many, would be interesting to hear what people think about that although very hard to quantify as very subjective!

buzzsaw1939
01-11-2008, 06:18 PM
Muchas gracias amigo...Thats going to help me a lot when I go online. http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/25.gif

Crash_Moses
01-11-2008, 06:22 PM
Agree 100% with both of you. http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_smile.gif

Not only is the data subjective but it's a very limited in scope. My original thought had been to include planesets, mission types, server rules, etc. in the scoring. But without a broadband connection and a large amount of free time this is all I could come up with. http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-very-happy.gif

Another idea I had would be to 'review' each server...pros and cons, etc. and post it on all the various flight sim forums/sites. Maybe even sponser a 'server of the week.'

Hopefully someone with a better head for statistics can come up with a more objective scoring system.

P.S. You're welcome, Buzz. Can't wait to fly with you guys on-line...

S!

Copperhead311th
01-11-2008, 09:01 PM
lol everything in the far left colum...
nope. uber noobed.
everythng in the far right coloum...
too elitist. all that FICS BS is for the birds.
and that really c haps my hade cause Zeeks vs Wildcats is about the best strictly PTO server around. anything abaove or below warclouds settings ins just not my bag man.

PF_Coastie
01-12-2008, 07:30 AM
Very cool idea Crash. My hats off to you for doing something like this.

I just have a couple things to bring up regarding the points system.

10 No Icons - I think to be fair, this should be divided in at least 2 categories. Limited Icons and No Icons. For instance, any given server may have icons set to full distances and features showing. But other may have No enemy icons and limited Friendly icons only visible to 1km. The limited icon server is much more difficult IMHO.

6 No Minimap Path - I think this deserves a little higher value. Especially if it is a mission/objective type server where navigating is key. I believe most people are completely lost without the minimap path.

6 Stall and Spins
8 Vulnerability
6 Blackouts and Redouts
8 Realistic Gunnery
8 Limited Ammo

I can't believe all of these are not 10's!

Just my 2 cents.

LEBillfish
01-12-2008, 08:18 AM
Nice, though DF servers not my bag, still a very useful list http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/25.gif

Capt.LoneRanger
01-12-2008, 09:13 AM
Nice list!

Thank you very much for your work. I think this will help some beginners choose their appropriate server.

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Viper2005_
01-12-2008, 10:12 AM
I think that it would be very useful to indicate which servers make regular use of voice comms, since IME this has a huge impact upon the nature of the gameplay encountered.

Obviously if you're new to the game and not on comms then you're going to have a much harder time if most of the opposition are coordinating their efforts over Teamspeak...

Crash_Moses
01-12-2008, 12:06 PM
More good advice! http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/25.gif Thanks to all.

Maybe some of you regular on-liners can revamp the rating system. I'm a bit out of the loop since I lost my high speed internet and the current scoring system is based on what I remember of my first forays on-line and some of the discussions I've seen in the forums.

Once the community has tweaked it a bit maybe Bearcat can throw it into his Nugget's Guide.

Anybody familiar with All Seeing Eye? I've never hung out there myself.

S!

rnzoli
01-12-2008, 01:23 PM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by LEBillfish:
Nice, though DF servers not my bag, still a very useful list http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/25.gif </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

I recognized there actually 4 dedicated co-op servers, I marked them with red rectangles.

http://web.t-online.hu/rnzoli/IL2DSC/HLRC.jpg

I also think this was a nice effort.
After spending some time on UBI, where you could actually sort the servers by your difficulty preferences, this was totally impossible on HL, and I considered this as a moderate shortcoming of it.

On ASE, you can define various filters to show you only the servers you want to frequent.

AG51_Razor
01-12-2008, 01:28 PM
Well done Crash! http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/agreepost.gif

VF-51_Wrench
01-12-2008, 03:40 PM
Crash you never fail to amaze! Very cool idea friend, thanks for the hard work...

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VF-51-Dart
01-12-2008, 07:57 PM
Great stuff Crash, as usual from you! http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/25.gif

Xiolablu3
01-13-2008, 01:26 PM
Good list, but as a frequent flier on the Ukded's 3 servers,I think there should definitely be further distincetions.


You are lumping in the WonderWoman servers, with the cockpit servers, and the no enemiy icons with the enemy icons servers. There is a big difference between say Ukdedicated 1 and Ukdedicated2, yet they are in the same column on that chart. Also UKded2 doesnt have big red/blue arrows pointing to the enemy like Ukded1.


There should definitely be an 'Experienced' column, between rookie and veteran which includes servers with no enemy icons, cockpit always on and externals IMO


Also isnt UKdedicated 3 full difficulty? Its certainly not got enemy icons/externals/map icon has it?

BSS_Sniper
01-13-2008, 01:42 PM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by Xiolablu3:
Good list, but as a frequent flier on the Ukded's 3 servers,I think there should definitely be further distincetions.


You are lumping in the WonderWoman servers, with the cockpit servers, and the no enemiy icons with the enemy icons servers. There is a big difference between say Ukdedicated 1 and Ukdedicated2, yet they are in the same column on that chart. Also UKded2 doesnt have big red/blue arrows pointing to the enemy like Ukded1.


There should definitely be an 'Experienced' column, between rookie and veteran which includes servers with no enemy icons, cockpit always on and externals IMO


Also isnt UKdedicated 3 full difficulty? Its certainly not got enemy icons/externals/map icon has it? </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

Not even close with Padlock, icons and minimap path. As far as no enemy icons, big deal IMO. If you see someone with no icons, he's enemy. May has well have them on everyone.

Crash_Moses
01-13-2008, 05:59 PM
Sorry, Xiolablue. As Mr. Sniper said, UK-Dedicated.3 has No Icons, No Padlock, No Minimap Path, and No Speed Bar unchecked. http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-sad.gif

But I agree that there should be more criteria in the data pool. But with limited time and limited resources (read 'no broadband') I had to set cutoff points with what I had. I was hoping for some feedback to further refine the ranking process (which I received...thanks guys!) and rest assured I (or somebody gullible enough to pick up the ball) will, maybe, someday, possibly, hopefully...revise the list.

With any luck my list will become standardized and serve as the premier resource for server ranking. Which will, of course, illicit kickbacks consisting of hardware and cash for 'special consideration' and placing servers higher on the list. Gotta upgrade, and...uh...my wife won't give me any more money.

I mean, why else would I go to all this trouble? http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/784.gif

S!

Xiolablu3
01-14-2008, 12:54 PM
...A little bumpage for a useful thread... http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_smile.gif

Shows how long I have been away, Ukdedicated3 was full difficulty last time I played on there. http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_smile.gif

I still stand by the rookie/experienced servers, there is a big difference between Ukded1 and Ukded2 settings IMO. Ukded2 feels pretty historic/realistic, whereas Ukded1 is all arcade-action.

Both are great fun, but the different settings certainly make for a big difference between the 'feel' of the servers. Anyone who has spent time flying on each would agree with that.

VF-51-Dart
01-14-2008, 05:23 PM
Another bump for a worthy cause! http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/25.gif

Crash_Moses
01-14-2008, 08:50 PM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by Xiolablu3:
...A little bumpage for a useful thread... http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_smile.gif

Shows how long I have been away, Ukdedicated3 was full difficulty last time I played on there. http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_smile.gif

I still stand by the rookie/experienced servers, there is a big difference between Ukded1 and Ukded2 settings IMO. Ukded2 feels pretty historic/realistic, whereas Ukded1 is all arcade-action.

Both are great fun, but the different settings certainly make for a big difference between the 'feel' of the servers. Anyone who has spent time flying on each would agree with that. </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

lol...I feel your pain. I haven't been on-line in what seems like eternity (my own personal hell you might say).

As soon as I figure out a way to get broadband service I'll take a closer look at the various server settings not apparent from the difficulty setting screen. As such your feedback is much appreciated. http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/11.gif

In the meantime howsa 'bout all ya regular on-liners provide a rating scale more in keeping with how y'all see things? I'd make it a poll if I could but I can't so here's a blank list to work with.

DIFFICULTY SETTING..........??
Separate Engine Start
Complex Eng. Management
Engine Overheat
Torque and Gyro Effects
Flutter Effect
Wind and Turbulence
Stall and Spins
Vulnerability
Blackouts and Redouts
Realistic Gunnery
Limited Ammo
Limited Fuel
Cockpit Always On
No external Views
Headshake
No Icons
No Padlock
Clouds
No Instant Success
Takeoff and Landing
Realistic Landing
No Map Icons
No Minimap Path
No Speedbar


S!

Whirlin_merlin
01-16-2008, 03:51 AM
I remember well starting to play il2 online and being baffled by the number of servers on HL, something like this would have helped.
I can see where Xio was coming from earlier, there is quite a range in the 'rookie' catagory but in the end you have to draw lines of you could end up with loads of catagories.

To supliment this a table of info concerning the type of play would be usefull. Fronts covered, historic plane sets or not, ground targets, objective lead maps vs 'pure' dog fights etc. So if anyone else has too much time on their hands.....
I say this because for me, I find this more important than the 'difficulty' settings.

VF-51-Dart
01-16-2008, 11:52 AM
Bump http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_smile.gif

Crash_Moses
01-16-2008, 01:30 PM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by Whirlin_merlin:
I remember well starting to play il2 online and being baffled by the number of servers on HL, something like this would have helped.
I can see where Xio was coming from earlier, there is quite a range in the 'rookie' catagory but in the end you have to draw lines of you could end up with loads of catagories.

To supliment this a table of info concerning the type of play would be usefull. Fronts covered, historic plane sets or not, ground targets, objective lead maps vs 'pure' dog fights etc. So if anyone else has too much time on their hands.....
I say this because for me, I find this more important than the 'difficulty' settings. </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

Heck...that'd be easy enough to do. A heckuva lot easier than trying to measure the vagaries of icons vs. no icons vs. limited icons (something I would loooooove to do but...uh...can't). And a damn site more useful at that.

Time consuming but...who's hobby isn't time consuming? Isn't that the point? http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-very-happy.gif

So let me see...we'll break 'em down by theater, plane set, mission type, and then difficulty?

Pacific
.......Early War
................Mission Based
..............................Rookie
..............................Veteran
..............................Ace
................Dogfight
..............................Rookie
..............................Veteran
..............................Ace
................Mixed
..............................Rookie
..............................Veteran
..............................Ace
.......Late War
................Mission Based
..............................Rookie
..............................Veteran
..............................Ace
................Dogfight
..............................Rookie
..............................Veteran
..............................Ace
................Mixed
..............................Rookie
..............................Veteran
..............................Ace


Just an example...anybody else got some ideas?

Whirlin_merlin
01-16-2008, 01:53 PM
Im thinking along the lines of hotel guides with little icon/symbols/codes.

E.G something like.

Fred's server: H ,CO, 39-42, P-E-W, F-B, V
Bill's server: H ,O, 43-45, W, F-B-G, A
Bert's server: NH ,DF, 39-45, E-W, F, R

Planesets: NH= Non-historic plane sets, H= Historic plane sets.
Map types: CO= Coops, O=Objective based, DF=Dogfight.
Year: of maps/scenario.
Fronts covered by maps: P= Pacific Front, E=Eastern Front, W=Western Front.
Plane types, F=Fighter, B=Multi-engine bombers, G=Ground attack (might need to better define G and B)
Difficulty settings: As per your system.


Or is this just far to complicated.

Edit: Just had a thought, an entry for language of brief etc would be handy.

Crash_Moses
01-16-2008, 02:16 PM
Nope...not too complicated. Just gotta figure out the best way to present the data so people can find their server quickly.

The cogs are turning... http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/typing.gif

RAAF_Furball
01-16-2008, 04:19 PM
<span class="ev_code_YELLOW">Nice stuff ....

Now fix it ! http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif

Our _RAAF_Squad server has:
Mondays - HUD-view settings
Tuesdays - Full settings
Thursdays - Compromise settings

More info here ==&gt; http://raafsquad.com/msgbrd/viewtopic.php?t=205

I'm not sure where we fit. http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-very-happy.gif</span>

Crash_Moses
01-16-2008, 04:53 PM
No fair! http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-mad.gif

Now I gotta add days of the week... http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-sad.gif

RAAF_Furball
01-17-2008, 12:17 AM
<span class="ev_code_YELLOW">You could just add us to each applicable category or add a new category called: "Variable". http://media.ubi.com/us/forum_images/gf-glomp.gif</span>

buzzsaw1939
01-17-2008, 04:00 AM
222 ?... you mean two hundred and twenty two..right?... http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/blink.gif.. http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-very-happy.gif

Thanks for the skins buddy! I love em!! http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/25.gif

Crash_Moses
01-17-2008, 10:53 AM
lol...yup, two hundred and twenty-two. Almost 20 megabytes... http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-very-happy.gif

Whew! Good news! I'm glad you got 'em...I wasn't sure they got through. I sent 'em late last night and just left my pitiful dial-up connection up and went to bed. It said 'connection lost' this morning so I was a little worried.

S!

Crash_Moses
01-17-2008, 10:54 AM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by RAAF_Furball:
<span class="ev_code_YELLOW">You could just add us to each applicable category or add a new category called: "Variable". http://media.ubi.com/us/forum_images/gf-glomp.gif</span> </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

Also a good idea. Thanks! http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/25.gif

S!

Tator_Totts
01-17-2008, 12:03 PM
Nice Crash. As much as you like to fly bombers, I expected one list for best ground pounding. http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif

Crash_Moses
01-17-2008, 12:47 PM
Nah...I just inconspicously place those at the top of the list. http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/shady.gif

I would hate to be accused of playing favorites... http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/784.gif

(cue maniacal laughter)

JtD
02-13-2008, 10:12 AM
Interesting that no padlock makes it more difficult than stalls and spins.

Imho, settings are only half the truth about server difficulty. The other half comes with the players. I figure it would be pretty tough for some "Ace" pilots if they were to show up on a "Rookie" server with good players on it. Vice versa is certainly true, too, but not my point.

You list is imho more a description of "action" - "entertaining" - "intense" - "serious".

Crash_Moses
02-13-2008, 02:17 PM
Thanks, JtD. Your humble opinion is humbly accepted. Using descriptors instead of categories may not be a bad idea. I'll see if I can't work it into the mix.

I can't imagine even trying to rate the on-line pilots. Everybody hates me as it is (it's the SBD...they're all jealous).

But it may be possible to work server stats into the spreadsheet...hmmm...

Well, just one more thing to consider (along with all the other fine suggestions) when I revamp the table.

S!

GIAP.Shura
02-14-2008, 04:37 AM
I think this list could do a lot of good for the community. Although a good place to start, I think classifying the servers solely in terms of difficulty options can be quite misleading. As has been mentioned it would be much better to have a description of servers in terms of content and overall style.

For example, I am surprised that our server (=69.GIAP=SQUAD) is in the VETERAN section based off of difficulty settings alone as the most we ever have unchecked is speed bar and externals. At the moment, our server is used mainly to run our bi-weekly SEOW campaigns, which are full switch, and for training purposes, for which we turn on externals. However, I actually think for noob accessibility VETERAN is probably a pretty good place for it at the moment, as we don't have any of the "artificial aids" but are quite relaxed and will let people mess around on their own or have a little df if they want one.

Maybe some of the people running the servers could describe what they run and we could work out a basic crib sheet of server characteristics, something like this:

Name:
Difficulty Settings: Giving a general idea of settings
Favoured Planesets:
Favoured Maps:
Style:
Miscellaneous information:

Oh, I also see that one of my preferred servers Eastern Front hasn't made it onto your list. Please rectify this forthwith. http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-tongue.gif

FatBoyHK
02-14-2008, 05:54 AM
I found that WarClouds_41-42 and WarClouds_WF have the same setting, yet they are in 2 different categories?

GIAP.Shura
02-14-2008, 08:21 AM
'Cos only noobs fly late war planes. http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/35.gif

Crash_Moses
02-14-2008, 02:10 PM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by FatBoyHK:
I found that WarClouds_41-42 and WarClouds_WF have the same setting, yet they are in 2 different categories? </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

Hmmm...don't have my spreadsheet in front of me at the moment so I can't say why. Maybe the host(s) changed difficulty settings recently? I double check my numbers when I get home.

S!

Crash_Moses
02-14-2008, 02:23 PM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by GIAP.Shura:
I think this list could do a lot of good for the community. Although a good place to start, I think classifying the servers solely in terms of difficulty options can be quite misleading. As has been mentioned it would be much better to have a description of servers in terms of content and overall style. </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

Agree 100%.

<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">For example, I am surprised that our server (=69.GIAP=SQUAD) is in the VETERAN section based off of difficulty settings alone as the most we ever have unchecked is speed bar and externals. At the moment, our server is used mainly to run our bi-weekly SEOW campaigns, which are full switch, and for training purposes, for which we turn on externals. However, I actually think for noob accessibility VETERAN is probably a pretty good place for it at the moment, as we don't have any of the "artificial aids" but are quite relaxed and will let people mess around on their own or have a little df if they want one. </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

I'll double check the numbers. Maybe the settings have changed since my survey. As I've stated previously this version is more of a prototype than anything else. I'll refine it at the first opportunity. http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-happy.gif

<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Maybe some of the people running the servers could describe what they run and we could work out a basic crib sheet of server characteristics, something like this:

Name:
Difficulty Settings: Giving a general idea of settings
Favoured Planesets:
Favoured Maps:
Style:
Miscellaneous information:
</div></BLOCKQUOTE>

That would be much appreciated. Although doing the leg work myself will be fun...as soon as I reaquire broadband. http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-sad.gif

<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Oh, I also see that one of my preferred servers Eastern Front hasn't made it onto your list. Please rectify this forthwith. http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-tongue.gif </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

They must've been down for maintenance when I did my survey. I will be especially careful to include Eastern Front in the next version. http://i4.photobucket.com/albums/y125/Crash_Moses/salute.gif

<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">'Cos only noobs fly late war planes. </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

Amen! Bring on the SBD-3!http://i4.photobucket.com/albums/y125/Crash_Moses/3.gif (shhh...it won the war).

JtD
02-14-2008, 02:31 PM
Vulnerability - 10
Realistic Landing - 10
Engine Overheat - 8
Limited Ammo - 8
Realistic Gunnery - 8
Limited Fuel - 6
Flutter Effect - 6
Takeoff and Landing - 6
Blackouts and Redouts - 4
Torque and Gyro Effects -4
Stall and Spins - 4
Complex Eng. Management - 4
Separate Engine Start - 2
Wind and Turbulence - 2
Headshake - 2
Clouds - 2

No external Views - 10
Cockpit Always On - 8
No Map Icons - 8
No Minimap Path - 6
No Icons - 4
No Padlock - 2
No Speedbar - 2
No Instant Success - 0

Figured I might give it a try. http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_wink.gif

GIAP.Shura
02-14-2008, 03:02 PM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by Crash_Moses:
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">'Cos only noobs fly late war planes. </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

Amen! Bring on the SBD-3!http://i4.photobucket.com/albums/y125/Crash_Moses/3.gif (shhh...it won the war). </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

Yeah, I heard something about its large fuel load enabling it to take off from Midway and help us out in Stalingrad. http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/11.gif

FatBoyHK
02-17-2008, 10:33 AM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by GIAP.Shura:
'Cos only noobs fly late war planes. http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/35.gif </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

Oh? I think it would take more skill to fly late war phane properly... instead of turn turn turn you need to use your brain....

Crash_Moses
02-18-2008, 10:43 AM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by GIAP.Shura:
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by Crash_Moses:
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">'Cos only noobs fly late war planes. </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

Amen! Bring on the SBD-3!http://i4.photobucket.com/albums/y125/Crash_Moses/3.gif (shhh...it won the war). </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

Yeah, I heard something about its large fuel load enabling it to take off from Midway and help us out in Stalingrad. http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/11.gif </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

lol...gotta love the lend/lease program...

GIAP.Shura
02-18-2008, 12:26 PM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by FatBoyHK:
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by GIAP.Shura:
'Cos only noobs fly late war planes. http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/35.gif </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

Oh? I think it would take more skill to fly late war phane properly... instead of turn turn turn you need to use your brain.... </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

You iz wrong b sure. http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-very-happy.gif