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-HH- Beebop
10-30-2004, 11:53 PM
Am I correct in assuming that the flaps automaticly raise above a certain speed?
I can't seem to get my combat flaps to stay down or get any flaps to stay down above approximately 200 MPH.
Sure, I won't jam my flaps anymore but I use combat flaps to slow my initial approach when landing and I have a bit too much speed.

LC34
10-31-2004, 12:14 AM
I had the same problem tonight.

Using a Wildcat landing I noticed at 150 mph that they would go back to raised. Never had that happen before, couldnt even get them to landing flaps no matter what I did.

However, I do not know the speed at which they automatically raise, I just never had this happen to me before either until tonight.

Tully__
10-31-2004, 12:29 AM
From the PF readme file:
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>F4F, FM-2 Wildcat Variants
...Flaps are automatically retracted at 250 km/h (155 mph)... <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

Kompan
10-31-2004, 02:06 AM
I thought this was strange at first, but realized that I was going way too fast to deploy flaps. Once I slowed the aircraft down, I was able to deploy flaps and land no problem. Kinda cool trick...

Luftkillier
10-31-2004, 06:25 AM
What is the use in providing written information in the form of manuals and readme files if people are just too f---ing stupid, lazy or anxious too read it?? http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-surprised.gif

madsarmy
10-31-2004, 06:45 AM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by Luftkillier:
What is the use in providing written information in the form of manuals and readme files if people are just too f---ing stupid, lazy or anxious too read it?? http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-surprised.gif <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

Ouch!
You having a bad day? http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_smile.gif

VOL_Mountain
10-31-2004, 06:50 AM
Its good to have keys assigned to 0% and 100% prop pitch to be used as an air break on approach. Radiator full open, canopy open also help to slow aircraft down.

diabloblanco1
10-31-2004, 06:55 AM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by Luftkillier:
What is the use in providing written information in the form of manuals and readme files if people are just too f---ing stupid, lazy or anxious too read it?? http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-surprised.gif <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

Oh boy! http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-surprised.gif I tend to agree with you on this one though. There are pages of posts that clearly indicate of lack of patience and willingness to actually read the material provided to properly run and enjoy a complex flight simulation like this one.

Can you imagine some of these guys trying to tweak an autoexec.bat and config.ini file to free the 610-612kb Falcon required to boot up in the 1990's? LOL! Not pretty http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/mockface.gif

mortoma
10-31-2004, 07:50 AM
People have been asking questions that can be found in the manual regarding this sim for ages. Nothing new and it doesn't bother me any. Oh, and flaps that behave that way are called 'blown flaps', which the manual doesn't tell you for some reason. I just thought I'd add some trivia.

LC34
10-31-2004, 12:02 PM
I see no problem in asking questions on the forum. For one it is easier to ask a question than to search around in the manual. Some manuals are not very in depth or even have a very good setup to find what you are looking for.

Also, both Beebop and myself knew that they retracted. He was just asking for the exact speed. I for one read the manual but did not recall seeing the speed in there.

It was a respectfully asked question so I see no justification in scolding someone unless they ask in a disrespectful manner.

-HH- Beebop
10-31-2004, 01:31 PM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by LC34:
....It was a respectfully asked question so I see no justification in scolding someone unless they ask in a disrespectful manner. <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

Thank you. It's just that lately there has been a tendancy on the forums to flame for asking.
It's my opinion that there is no stupid question. If you think the person asking is <BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR> f---ing stupid <HR></BLOCKQUOTE> don't bother responding. If they're that <BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>f---ing stupid <HR></BLOCKQUOTE> they probably wouldn't understand the answer, so why waste your time.

My 2 yen worth.

Fritzofn
10-31-2004, 02:04 PM
as a former computer technichian, i know that peeps never read the manual, or atleast almost never....it's just the way it is, they think they understand everything by looking on it

VF-3Thunderboy
10-31-2004, 02:24 PM
Max flap deployment speeds were around 140kts for WW2 fighters, so the sim assumes that you know that your supposed to have em raised, I guess, and just forgot.

Flaps did not automaticly raise, at least on the wildcat.I doubt they did on any early-mid war prop.

Philipscdrw
10-31-2004, 02:30 PM
The flaps don't lock down, and if you go too fast then the airflow forces the flaps to retract.

One thing I would like to see in this game is better information on the procedures of flying the aircraft. I want best climb and glide speeds, max cruise power and pitch settings, flap and gear speeds, ect, to make flying more efficient. I don't have a clue how to use the prop pitch, I just wind it down when diving to prevent the engines from overspeeding and acting as a brake, and push it forward when climbing.

Spectre-63
10-31-2004, 02:37 PM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by diabloblanco1:
Can you imagine some of these guys trying to tweak an autoexec.bat and config.ini file to free the 610-612kb Falcon required to boot up in the 1990's? LOL! Not pretty http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/mockface.gif <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>
http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/34.gif

config.ini??? How do you "boot" software???

http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_rolleyes.gif http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/88.gif

For all your supposed superiority, you clearly have your own head in the "up and locked" position....people in glass houses...http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/mockface.gif

Nubarus
10-31-2004, 02:51 PM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by diabloblanco1:
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by Luftkillier:
What is the use in providing written information in the form of manuals and readme files if people are just too f---ing stupid, lazy or anxious too read it?? http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-surprised.gif <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

Oh boy! http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-surprised.gif I tend to agree with you on this one though. There are pages of posts that clearly indicate of lack of patience and willingness to actually read the material provided to properly run and enjoy a complex flight simulation like this one.

Can you imagine some of these guys trying to tweak an autoexec.bat and config.ini file to free the 610-612kb Falcon required to boot up in the 1990's? LOL! Not pretty http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/mockface.gif <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

I would much rather see them build a "build it yourself" wall closet without looking in the instructions before starting.

-HH- Beebop
10-31-2004, 03:12 PM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by Philipscdrw:
....One thing I would like to see in this game is better information on the procedures of flying the aircraft. I want best climb and glide speeds, max cruise power and pitch settings, flap and gear speeds, ect, to make flying more efficient. I don't have a clue how to use the prop pitch, I just wind it down when diving to prevent the engines from overspeeding and acting as a brake, and push it forward when climbing. <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

Have you seen the Eastern Skies site? It has an excellent guide (IMO) on Complex Engine Management. Here's the link:
http://people.ee.ethz.ch/~chapman/il2guide/cemguide/intro.htm

Hope this helps.

Ken_Det
12-25-2005, 01:06 PM
I dont know about you people, but I like to use combat flaps in a turn, and cloase to the ground to get more lift wyle dog fighting.
Going from Forgotten Battles to PF with out the combat flaps working the way I like to use them makes PF kinda suck http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/51.gif
My opinion http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-mad.gif

x6BL_Brando
12-25-2005, 06:02 PM
Going from Forgotten Battles to PF with out the combat flaps working the way I like to use them makes PF kinda suck

Hangover kicked in early? http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_rolleyes.gif

If you check, you'll see that only the planes that had 'blown flaps' have got them modelled. The others still respond.

berg417448
12-25-2005, 06:21 PM
€œThe Wildcat has an interesting flap system that is activated by the vacuum system in the airplane and is also used to spin the gyro instruments for instrument flying. Instead of using positive pressure to operate the flap cylinder, this aircraft uses negative pressure or suction. A large tank in the rear of the aircraft stores the negative air pressure. At higher speeds, the negative pressure does not create enough force to overcome the air loads to lower the flaps. It will not hurt the system, as in some aircraft, to put the flaps down at high speed. They just simply won€t come down! Pilots could use this to their advantage in a dogfight and could select the flap handle down before engaging another aircraft. If during the dogfight the airplane happened to slow down below a certain speed, the flaps would creep out. The more the aircraft slowed down, the more flap would creep out. This gave the Wildcat a tighter turning radius, which was a major advantage in a dogfight, as they could potentially turn inside their opponent and get on his tail. €œ

http://www.fantasyofflight.com/aircraftpages/wildcat.htm

WB_Outlaw
12-25-2005, 06:37 PM
Originally posted by Spectre-63:
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by diabloblanco1:
Can you imagine some of these guys trying to tweak an autoexec.bat and config.ini file to free the 610-612kb Falcon required to boot up in the 1990's? LOL! Not pretty http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/mockface.gif
http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/34.gif

config.ini??? How do you "boot" software???

http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_rolleyes.gif http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/88.gif

For all your supposed superiority, you clearly have your own head in the "up and locked" position....people in glass houses...http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/mockface.gif </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

I knew what he meant. Just for the record, I had my autoexec.bat and config.ini tweaked to such an extent that I could start Falcon 4.0 from Windows 3.11. Of course with a framerate of -1 there wasn't much point but hey, someone told me I couldn't do it at all.

-Outlaw.

FoolTrottel
12-25-2005, 06:55 PM
Back in those days, editing Config.sys might have helped you freeing up even more...

Ken_Det
12-25-2005, 10:24 PM
Originally posted by x6BL_Brando:
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Going from Forgotten Battles to PF with out the combat flaps working the way I like to use them makes PF kinda suck

Hangover kicked in early? http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_rolleyes.gif

If you check, you'll see that only the planes that had 'blown flaps' have got them modelled. The others still respond. </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

No hang over here bub, I have not drank in all most 8 years http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_wink.gif
I think berg417448 explaned it better for me than you.
Check where by the way http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/blink.gif

WB_Outlaw
12-25-2005, 11:24 PM
Originally posted by FoolTrottel:
Back in those days, editing Config.sys might have helped you freeing up even more...

I hang my head in shame. The years of Windows have worn long and heavy on my shoulders. Fortunately my "Guide To DOS 5 Memory Management" was on the bottom shelf so I pulled it out just for S's and G's. Wow, the good old days. I bet I still have Quarterdeck's memory manager lying around somewhere. If only I had a 5 1/4" floppy drive that worked and VMWare had better support for DOS.

-Outlaw.