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sevah
04-06-2006, 03:03 AM
05 April
Silent Hunter IV: Underway
THIS IS NOT A DRILL!

The big buzz on the web is that Ubisoft has begun planning and work on Silent Hunter IV. Now Subsim can confirm this is not wishful thinking or rumor. The new dev team has been assembled, returning many of the SH3 vets from programming, graphics, and design, under the direction of Producer Ionut Grozea and Project Manager Emil Gheorghe. The team is currently in the planning phase with work to begin at once.

Silent Hunter IV will return the series to the Pacific, with American submarines taking the starring role. SH4 will use the same game engine and dynamic campaign as SH3 with some improvements.

from www.subsim.com (http://www.subsim.com)

WO: Prepare tube SH4

sevah
04-06-2006, 03:03 AM
05 April
Silent Hunter IV: Underway
THIS IS NOT A DRILL!

The big buzz on the web is that Ubisoft has begun planning and work on Silent Hunter IV. Now Subsim can confirm this is not wishful thinking or rumor. The new dev team has been assembled, returning many of the SH3 vets from programming, graphics, and design, under the direction of Producer Ionut Grozea and Project Manager Emil Gheorghe. The team is currently in the planning phase with work to begin at once.

Silent Hunter IV will return the series to the Pacific, with American submarines taking the starring role. SH4 will use the same game engine and dynamic campaign as SH3 with some improvements.

from www.subsim.com (http://www.subsim.com)

WO: Prepare tube SH4

Kaleun1961
04-06-2006, 07:02 AM
I'm not really excited to hear this. The project is only at the beginning of planning. We'll be waiting a long time for the release of the final product.

Reading between the lines I am adopting a cynical attitude until I am convinced otherwise. The same people who released an unfinished product and then abandoned its support are now assembling again for another project. We are promised more of the same with a hint of improvements. Subs in the Pacific means they don't have to develop a wolfpack engine. I smell a rewrapped SH3.

Until then, "I'm from Missouri."

rls669
04-06-2006, 07:06 AM
Rewrapped sounds about right -- it says they use the game graphics and campaign engines. Not that that's necessarily a bad thing, but in this case it means they'll probably reuse all the game killing bugs too.

I can't wait to 3/4 of the way through SH4 and have my career irretrievably corrupted.

sevah
04-06-2006, 07:23 AM
hi guys,

dont say that, SH3 engine has a lot of capabilities and even unfinished has done very well so far, with the help of the comunity of course, but if the comunity could do so mutch the developers could do more!!!. I think we will get an imroved version of SH3, as game -simulation- Now they dont need to build things from the begining but will improve and add things...
something like VII type as new torpedos conning tower etc. the main body still the same. Bugs free thats impossible..

WO: Prepare tube SH4

Sgt_Starbuck
04-06-2006, 08:50 AM
WooHoo! I really didn't want to play as Japanese.

Sarge

Stuntcow
04-06-2006, 09:04 AM
Using the old engine and campain means most of the work is done. Faster to come out. If they do improve/repair some of its problem, then they have not abandoned it.

Being US is ok. Im use to it. Was hoping to be IJN to face the increasing odds as the war goes by like the Uboats did.

In the end, no matter what, I will get it reguardless...

diveatc
04-06-2006, 09:45 AM
in about 2 weeks is my guess

Kaleun1961
04-06-2006, 10:41 AM
I agree that the engine of SH3 would make a good starting point for SH4, but I would definitely like to see improvements and the current well-documented bugs worked out. This would mean:

AA gunners will fire when they should, not stand there like mannequins in a store window while the boat is attacked.

Crew management [if present] repaired so the crew actually has the stamina of real humans, not tiring after two hours of watch time.

PT-type boats should fire torpedoes [thought I'd put this in for JU88 http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif]

Aircraft will drop the correct ordnance.

This is a very short list. There are other bugs that are well-known and should also be eliminated in the next release. If SH4 is released and these bugs are not eliminated, then it should deserve to bomb in the market.

P.S. No Star Force! Anything else but Star Force.

Sulikate
04-06-2006, 10:50 AM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by rls669:
Rewrapped sounds about right -- it says they use the game graphics and campaign engines. Not that that's necessarily a bad thing, but in this case it means they'll probably reuse all the game killing bugs too.

I can't wait to 3/4 of the way through SH4 and have my career irretrievably corrupted. </div></BLOCKQUOTE>
Agreed. But I would really like a new graphics engine.. you know... SHIII's one isn't really fantastic, maybe a water shader improvement would do it... but I'll get it anyway.

add996
04-06-2006, 11:36 AM
Ohhh jump for joy!!!! Silent Hunter 4 playing the pacicific campaign! to be honest WHY????
Who the hell wants to play that! maybe some of you will but i can bet my last buck that a lot of sub-simmers won't. Why the hell not make a Destroyer command 2 with the same interface/graphics engine as SH3 ...and make it possible to play Destroyer command 2 and SH3 online in multi-player mode... now that would be something to shout about !!

I Dont mean to rain on the parade cus i love SH3 and all that, its just SH4 with a Pacific campaign doesn't get my vote at all and i know a load of other subbies that i play online with think the same way.

Ubisoft: WTF are you doing!!!!
Scrap SH4 and make Destroyer Command 2!!

WilhelmSchulz.
04-06-2006, 01:05 PM
I recnoginse that pic! its the cover to Thunder Below.
Some of us have known for some time now, its just the fact that more are finding out.

@add996 - renember how much money AOD and SHI sold for? http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-wink.gif

JU88
04-06-2006, 01:41 PM
[QUOTE]Originally posted by Kaleun1961:
PT-type boats should fire torpedoes [thought I'd put this in for JU88 http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif]
QUOTE]

Much appriciated there ...Kaluen.. http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif

Seriously, Im happy that another SH game is being made at all, - BUT.....

If there are reusing the engine and campaign editor, is it really going to take a team of 40 to 50 talented people a whole 24 months to model the pacific units and create a new dynamic campaign?
Surely that could be done in half the time, If its just SH3 in different clothes, They may as well sack the majority of their programers now and just have artists working on the project.

Maybe its hard for some to belive, but many are still hungry for more of the atlantic and the Uboats.

I really hope they add some content to atlantic Campaing too, wheather its a late backwards compatible addon for owners of SH3 (IL-2/Pacific fighters style), or SH3 re-released altogether with improvements and fixes and thrown in with the pacific campaign (think SH4 + SH3.5) I think that will keep 90% of the fans happy.

Seriously, with a Q3 2007 release penciled in, (and we all know how volotile release dates are) they have plenty of time to do this with out the Pacific campaign suffereing.

I really, really hope they have something more planned that they're not telling us yet.

The_Silent_O
04-06-2006, 02:49 PM
They are REALLY going to have to do something to make the Pacific Campaign as exciting as the Battle of the Atlantic...right now, I don't think it will be:

If you play the USN in the pacific, you will have:

- No Large convoys to attack
- an opponent who will NOT use the latest sonar technology (easy get aways)
- Not as many cargo ships to attack, period.

So will the campaign games be slower and more boring? In the original they had you do additional missions like Recon Photos and rescue pilots, I'm not sure how these will make the game more exciting?

I also get the impression that you will only be able to play the USN

I think a good suggestion would be one (although not realistic) where you play a USN officer that can be assigned to both PT Boats AND Submarines and can switch between the type of command alternately through your career...that might make it more exciting.

DarkOmen13
04-06-2006, 03:48 PM
I also see a lack of excitement for all the reasone silent o has suggested.
I also like playing a non allied side. Growing up you tend to learn about your own country's planes/tanks/weapons etc, but you learn little of the enemy ones, and it's nice to really see things from the ememy point of view.
I knew very little about U boats when i started playing, now i'm fascinated by them.

I think you would have a very hard time making anything as exciting as SHIII, it is a rather hard thing to follow.

Of course i'll buy it anyway http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/typing.gif

D.

WilhelmSchulz.
04-06-2006, 04:21 PM
Well....... Evean though the Japanese didn't have the latest technolgy the certenitly made up for it in tanacity, being just as if not more tuff as Alied escorts.

hueywolf123
04-06-2006, 04:50 PM
Really, if they took SH-III seriously, they would release their own update disc complete with bug fixes, patches etc before SH-IV release date.
Pacific Theater? Anyone would think the US were the only ones there and being as superior as they are ( http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-indifferent.gif), we can be assured of long boring patrols, easy get aways and no 'real' challenges. That to me spells arcade game

WilhelmSchulz.
04-06-2006, 04:57 PM
Well there is a SHIII ex.pack coming out. And I have made a lot of easy getaways in SHIII. http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/blink.gif

Kaleun1961
04-06-2006, 05:08 PM
I don't think SH4 will be skewed in favour of the American subs. The development team are mainly Europeans, who should be free of any such bias as may be expected from an American designed game. Unfortunately, if the game adheres to realism, it should make the game less challenging as time progresses, to reflect the improvements in American technology and the ineptitude of the Japanese ASW forces. Not promising for those who are used to the typical SH3 career line.

WilhelmSchulz.
04-06-2006, 05:11 PM
But the Japanise did get more agresive as the war went on. http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-indifferent.gif

Kaleun1961
04-06-2006, 05:18 PM
True, but the American sub skippers also became more skilled and their weaponry more reliable. Most of the Japanese ASW forces were bunglers, but there were exceptions such as Bungo Suido Pete.

WilhelmSchulz.
04-06-2006, 06:17 PM
But to conter this the Japanise altered there tactics to fit the situation. Much like we did in the Atlantic.

Do I sense a dabate forming here? http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_rolleyes.gif

Tobus75
04-07-2006, 04:01 AM
The japs thought to the end of the war that it was impossible for US subs to dive below 150 meters, so never set DC's below that. Better US boats eventually mean an easier game. I'll install SH1 this weekend again, pacific theme is still great imho. But playing as Japanes would certainly spice things up!

The_Silent_O
04-07-2006, 05:34 AM
I'm pretty sure they did...but did the Commonwealth operate subs in the Pacific or Indian Ocean? Here's another angle...perhaps?

TASKFORCE1x1
04-07-2006, 07:54 AM
I'll preorder now if they would have that offered yet. http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_smile.gif Customer #1.


Hopefully after SH4 there can be DC2 for us to have. We need some human element in the game from the other side.

hueywolf123
04-09-2006, 03:53 PM
Yes Silent,
Australia had a few subs in the pacific, and along the east coast to counter the Japanese subs that were taking quite a toll on shipping. I'm not entirely sure if England had actually sent any subs to Australia, but The Australian subs were all Ex-British superseded models (hand-me-downs)just like our 'Scrap Iron Flotilla' in the med.
Germany did have 1 U-boat that made it down the east coast of Aus' and even so far as Tasmania then New Zealand. This I think could be a rumour as I tend to wonder how/where they refuelled or re-stocked. But yes, if they put a couple of Aussie subs in IV, I'll buy the game now

Stuntcow
04-10-2006, 04:09 PM
I'm with Taskforce, When can I preorder? I can settle for preorder #2

BueJack
04-10-2006, 04:55 PM
AFAI remember the Japs sunk a large percentage of US subs, actualy a scary amount, considering their so called 'primitive technology'.

But on the other hand the US subs succeeded where the Uboats failed, paralysing the enemy merchant fleets, thus enabling the 'Island Hopping' campaign to succeed.

I hope that the current developers take notes from previous sub-sims in this theatre, in additon to SH3. It then should be a nice game.
http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/25.gif

rls669
04-10-2006, 05:08 PM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">I hope that the current developers take notes from previous sub-sims in this theatre, in additon to SH3. It then should be a nice game.
http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/25.gif </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

I hope they squash the bugs that made it through four patches unscathed.