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VFS-214_Hawk
03-30-2007, 03:40 PM
Anyone in here use the small thumb joystick thing for anything in IL2?

VFS-214_Hawk
03-30-2007, 03:40 PM
Anyone in here use the small thumb joystick thing for anything in IL2?

Lurch1962
03-30-2007, 05:12 PM
I use it for panning my view. It can be set up so that it has a scalable rate. That is, if you deflect it just a small amount, the view will pan slowly, push it farther and the pan speed increases. I've not counted how many "steps" in pan rate there are, but my impression is at least 3. (And I also have views mapped to the stick's thump HAT switch.) I like it a lot, as I don't have TrakIR or its cheaper imitator.

BrotherVoodoo
03-30-2007, 05:19 PM
I have mine in mouse mode and have programmed a left and right mounse button. Comes in handy zooming in and moving around the map.

VFS-214_Hawk
03-30-2007, 05:40 PM
ok,how do I program it for the pan view?

WWSpinDry
03-30-2007, 06:24 PM
http://www.ch-hangar.com/forum/

slipBall
03-31-2007, 02:06 AM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by VFS-214_Hawk:
ok,how do I program it for the pan view? </div></BLOCKQUOTE>


This is done in your controller map creation, useing "ch control manager"
http://i51.photobucket.com/albums/f394/SlipBall/ScreenHunter_13.jpg

set "mouse" for X & Y axis
set the pan speed in game, I have my mouse speed set at 4.0

VFS-214_Hawk
03-31-2007, 07:53 AM
mine looks just like that but when I click save, nothing happens. I finally got it to save but then my throttle wouldn't work, just the ministick.

ElAurens
03-31-2007, 09:02 AM
The CH Control Program is the single most counter-intuitive piece of software I have ever tried to use.

Clearly a case of "Written by geeks for geeks" technical programming at it's worst.

I have tried several times over the years to use it and it always destroys some functionality of my CH setup.

I'm now thinking of taking the "ministick" out of my throttle and putting in a rotary to use for trim.

VFS-214_Hawk
03-31-2007, 10:02 AM
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Fabiusmax
03-31-2007, 12:45 PM
I would strongly resist the suggestion that CH control manager is the MOST counter-intuitive controller software in existence. That accolade surely belongs to the Thrustmaster Cougar. Where CH joysticks are concerned I found that it was necessary to abandon gaming until I had mastered the devices, with extensive reference to the online helpguide, much of which I consider essential reading. It's a real shame the software causes so many headaches because its really very good and about as simple (IMHO) as it could be. I suspect that the problem lies with the enormous number of additional and largely unnnecessary features which make the learning process so much lengthier. Having said that, once its been configured it can be ignored. I play IL2 exclusively and the CH map is loaded automatically each time I boot my PC. All I have to do is launch the game and play. I assume you also use a CH joysticj and pedals?

slipBall
03-31-2007, 02:30 PM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by VFS-214_Hawk:
mine looks just like that but when I click save, nothing happens. I finally got it to save but then my throttle wouldn't work, just the ministick. </div></BLOCKQUOTE>


You first have to click the download button

http://i51.photobucket.com/albums/f394/SlipBall/ScreenHunter_15.jpg
....then open CMCC and on the left side top open the map you created...run the map in "mapped mode"...it is easy as pie once you get it http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/blink.gif

http://i51.photobucket.com/albums/f394/SlipBall/ScreenHunter_16.jpg

VFS-214_Hawk
03-31-2007, 02:32 PM
I no longer use the Ch Stick...its just too bulky. I do use the peds.

I like my throttle just like it is...heck all I wanted to do was make the ministick a mouse for panning the view instead of using the mouse. These gaming geniuses are supose to design these things were us dummies can simply push a button to change something, not sign up for a two year degree just to program a stick...lol

I will figure it out one of these years.

ElAurens
03-31-2007, 06:55 PM
I said I'd learn it one of these years too...

About 4 years ago...


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All it needs is a simple GUI where you check off what you want to do for each game and hit "apply", but that would be too simple for some bloody engineer to come to grips with.

You would think it was designed and built in Germany for crying out loud.

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slipBall
04-01-2007, 04:16 AM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by ElAurens:
I said I'd learn it one of these years too...

About 4 years ago...


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All it needs is a simple GUI where you check off what you want to do for each game and hit "apply", but that would be too simple for some bloody engineer to come to grips with.

You would think it was designed and built in Germany for crying out loud.

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Hi ElAurens, I too had problems with the software, but once figured out, it is very simple....if you would like to try this simple "map" (CH calls it a map) then you will understand how it works, download the latest software from CH...then just follow each step that you see here

http://www.chproducts.com/retail/tech_control_manager.html

1. open CH control manager, then one by one, useing the "add" button on the tool bar, add all of your CH controllers


http://i51.photobucket.com/albums/f394/SlipBall/ScreenHunter_1.jpg

http://i51.photobucket.com/albums/f394/SlipBall/ScreenHunter_3.jpg

http://i51.photobucket.com/albums/f394/SlipBall/ScreenHunter_2.jpg

http://i51.photobucket.com/albums/f394/SlipBall/ScreenHunter_4.jpg

2. press the "direct mode" button

http://i51.photobucket.com/albums/f394/SlipBall/ScreenHunter_6.jpg

3. OK, you added all of your controllers, now one by one test and calibrate them by selecting the test calibrate button on the tool bar

http://i51.photobucket.com/albums/f394/SlipBall/ScreenHunter_7.jpg

http://i51.photobucket.com/albums/f394/SlipBall/ScreenHunter_8.jpg

http://i51.photobucket.com/albums/f394/SlipBall/ScreenHunter_9.jpg

4. We are almost done here http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-happy.gif...click on the pro throttle and set as mouse the mini stick, for both x & Y axis, give them a dead zone of 15 or so

http://i51.photobucket.com/albums/f394/SlipBall/ScreenHunter_12.jpg

5. Now click to mapped mode

http://i51.photobucket.com/albums/f394/SlipBall/ScreenHunter_12.jpg

6. Now click the "download button"

http://i51.photobucket.com/albums/f394/SlipBall/ScreenHunter_14.jpg


7. Close the CH controll manager, you will be asked to save or not, click yes, and type a name for your new map...I call mine "mouse" http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/34.gif

8. Open CMCC, click on the load button, highlight your map, load it, and select run in mapped mode...now Windows will load the drivers...then just start your game, go into controlls and assign all your hotas, and button commands, and you are done

http://i51.photobucket.com/albums/f394/SlipBall/ScreenHunter_16.jpg

9. If you find that the mini stick pans too slowly, just change to a higher value in the in-game hardware page...

VFS-214_Hawk
04-01-2007, 06:49 AM
Slipball, when I ask a question, this is the kind of explained answer I like to get. Thank you so much for taking the time needed to be able to share this information. I'll give it a shot

A Big SALUTE!

slipBall
04-01-2007, 07:17 AM
You are very welcome.....keep in mind that you could do so much more than my, simple example map. Once you understand, you will be able to expand your map creation's http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_cool.gif

RxMan
04-01-2007, 07:18 AM
BTW, anyone know if I can add my gameport ProThrottle to my WinXP game system. (I'm using the USB FighterStick now) I ask before trying because I will have to move the whole computer to a different desk (after moving that computer) to get enough room for the throttle.

slipBall
04-01-2007, 07:28 AM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by RxMan:
BTW, anyone know if I can add my gameport ProThrottle to my WinXP game system. (I'm using the USB FighterStick now) I ask before trying because I will have to move the whole computer to a different desk (after moving that computer) to get enough room for the throttle. </div></BLOCKQUOTE>


Not sure if this will help you
http://206.170.119.13/novo/default.asp?id=359&Lang=1&SID=


edit: In fact I know it won't...dead link http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-sad.gif....but I would go to the hanger and ask that question, they are very helpfull there

VFS-214_Hawk
04-01-2007, 08:20 AM
ok, I got it to work but when I use it to move my curser on my decktop, it only goes left and right. What do I need to do to get it to be able to go up down left right ect for pan viewing?

slipBall
04-01-2007, 08:23 AM
Are you saying that "mapped mode" is unavailable....I had a simular problem when first trying to understand the software

I see that you are editing "test.map"...Try creating a new map as I described above, then download in "mapped mode"

slipBall
04-01-2007, 08:26 AM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by VFS-214_Hawk:
ok, I got it to work but when I use it to move my curser on my decktop, it only goes left and right. What do I need to do to get it to be able to go up down left right ect for pan viewing? </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

You have to set both X & Y as mouse...also I see my dead zone is set at 20 for X&Y...

slipBall
04-01-2007, 08:30 AM
Go back in to control manager, upper left, find your map, load it,...move the mini stick around, you will see it go from X to Y.
Just move the mini stick up the axes will change to Y, assign mouse, change dead zone to 20...when done editing you must download it again, and then reload it again, using CMCC

ElAurens
04-01-2007, 10:03 AM
If I do this do I have to re-assign my ingame control settings?

Please say no.

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slipBall
04-01-2007, 10:15 AM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by ElAurens:
If I do this do I have to re-assign my ingame control settings?

Please say no.

http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/sadeyes.gif </div></BLOCKQUOTE>


NO!....ok I lied....you will need to re-set them all http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/mockface.gif.... http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-very-happy.gif

VFS-214_Hawk
04-01-2007, 04:43 PM
Thanks slipball...you just made that so simple!

VFS-214_Hawk
04-01-2007, 06:41 PM
All works well just as you instructed, thanks again!

slipBall
04-02-2007, 02:38 AM
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