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jamesdietz
02-20-2005, 10:21 AM
Here it is a WIP :The Skorpians Secret Mystery ship:
http://members.cox.net/fliegeroffizier/1.jpg
It was ,of course,featured in that historically accurate documentary of our fighting men:
http://members.cox.net/fliegeroffizier/donwinslowos.jpg
Those old enough to remember this program was only seen on the mid fifties on Saturday Morning TV sandwiched in between SuperMan Cartoons.
Seriously tho- this photo was recently shown in Airplane Monthly Magazine& the editoe had no idea what it was ( is?)Does anyone out there have a clue?I have no idea what it is or what country it was built for ...engines are apparently Rangers , but they could be licensed copies...Plane has a sort of Japanese look to it....So you Armchair Quarterbacks & Monday Morning Generelas ...w'as up??? http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/10.gif

tora-2
02-20-2005, 11:14 AM
Nose and general layout of the cabin look something like a Peggy Ki-67, but thats about as close as I can get.
Mind you it'd be a welcome addition !

Daiichidoku
02-20-2005, 04:35 PM
looks french to me, maybe a Leo or something?

corvette93
02-20-2005, 06:20 PM
I don't know what plane it is, but I would dearly love to have that poster http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_rolleyes.gif

wayno7777
02-20-2005, 08:57 PM
Ok, I give up. The closest I come to finding it is a Nakajima Ki-49 Helen. Only thing is the inline engines. Couldn't find any with inline engines.

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v224/wayno77/nakajima_ki-49.jpg

WTE_Ibis
02-21-2005, 12:02 AM
Looks like a couple of revheads are "hotting it up" in their back shed.
Note the twin overhead drip feed afterburners
Gonna blow someone away on the strip. http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/icon_twisted.gif

Looks to me as though it has twin booms,could it be a Black Widow??

RedNeckerson
02-21-2005, 07:58 AM
Inverted V.

French or German.

Franzen
02-21-2005, 08:57 AM
It's obviously Japanese, whatever it is. Look at the right wing. See the marking? http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-wink.gif

Platypus_1.JaVA
02-21-2005, 09:04 AM
I would like to see THIS aircraft modelled
http://www.bugattirevue.com/revue3/skybug.jpg

Find out all about it:
http://www.bugattirevue.com/revue3/rev3-2.htm

Platypus_1.JaVA
02-21-2005, 09:08 AM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by RedNeckerson:
Inverted V.

French or German. <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

Ki-61 http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_wink.gif

Jasko76
02-21-2005, 09:14 AM
It looks like German Argus engines, but it's shape is not German at all... Perhaps French or Italian?

Franzen
02-21-2005, 09:34 AM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by Jasko76:
It looks like German Argus engines, but it's shape is not German at all... Perhaps French or Italian? <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

Jasko, look at the right wing. You can see the solid circle. Chances are, it's red. Look at the cockpit style. Look at the fuselage style. The only thing missing is the sushi bar.

Fritz Franzen

Chuck_Older
02-21-2005, 09:43 AM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by WTE_Ibis:
Looks like a couple of revheads are "hotting it up" in their back shed.
Note the twin overhead drip feed afterburners
Gonna blow someone away on the strip. http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/icon_twisted.gif

Looks to me as though it has twin booms,could it be a Black Widow?? <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

Without doubt, this is not a Black Widow

airdale1960
02-21-2005, 12:58 PM
PZL P-38 Wilk, inverted v8, aircooled.

Jasko76
02-21-2005, 01:31 PM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by Franzen:
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by Jasko76:
It looks like German Argus engines, but it's shape is not German at all... Perhaps French or Italian? <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

Jasko, look at the right wing. You can see the solid circle. Chances are, it's red. Look at the cockpit style. Look at the fuselage style. The only thing missing is the sushi bar.

Fritz Franzen <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

All right then, a Mitsubishi with Argus engines? http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-very-happy.gif

jamesdietz
02-21-2005, 01:47 PM
Platypus...
You might enjoy this painting I did last year for the owner of both the car in the foreground AND the plane( yes i still exists,minus engines , on display at the EAA Museum in Oshkosh...
http://members.cox.net/fliegeroffizier/FrnDz.jpg

Zyzbot
02-21-2005, 01:52 PM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by airdale1960:
PZL P-38 Wilk, inverted v8, aircooled. <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

well..it does have the Ranger engines according to this link:

http://www.misiewicz.de/angielski/Wilk/Wilk_eng2.htm

But what about the glass nose? All of the photos I have found of the Wilk show a solid nose with guns.

Jasko76
02-21-2005, 01:55 PM
Zyzbot

As Franzen pointed out it is a Japanese plane, look at the hinomarus on the wings!

jamesdietz

You painted that?! http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/53.gif

WoW!!!

There is nothing like raceplanes from the '30s - sleek, fast and dangerous!

Chuck_Older
02-21-2005, 02:20 PM
http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/10.gifYes, James is actually one of the most talented aviation artists out there.

tora-2
02-21-2005, 02:28 PM
Agree the engines don't help, but the markings look clearly to be Japanese.

I agree it could be a Helen. Reasons I went for a Peggy are the diagonal struts in the nose glass. I have also seen a few shots with a Peggy having those outward opening cockpit glass doors up top.
Reasons why it might actually be a Helen would be the apparent absence of any rear turret that's visible.

Either in my opinion is feasible. If it is a Peggy its an early version as far as I can make out.
I cannot make out whether there's a glass blister in the fuselage side , there's something near the one guys foot, but it could after all be a boot ! There is also some type of aerial offset on the fuselage top, that still would suggest either Peggy or Helen, nothing conclusive as far as I can see.

I have already spent way too long looking at that picture zoomed in http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_rolleyes.gif

JG6_Oddball
02-21-2005, 04:08 PM
I give up...after a 2 hours search for twin boom ww2 aircraft...here is a link of all the twin boom AC if anyone wants to look
http://cmeunier.chez.tiscali.fr/

S!

Franzen
02-22-2005, 12:25 AM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by Jasko76:
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by Franzen:
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by Jasko76:
It looks like German Argus engines, but it's shape is not German at all... Perhaps French or Italian? <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

Jasko, look at the right wing. You can see the solid circle. Chances are, it's red. Look at the cockpit style. Look at the fuselage style. The only thing missing is the sushi bar.

Fritz Franzen <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

All right then, a Mitsubishi with Argus engines? http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-very-happy.gif <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/88.gif Ok, you win.

JG301_nils
02-22-2005, 02:07 AM
Hmm hard to tell,but it´s surely a handsome plane. Twin tailbooms, inverted V12´s. I say it´s european, despite of the roundel on right wing. But there is something familiar about it, I know I´ve seen that nose cone before .. and the technicians don´t look asian to me. The left main landing gear seems to be leaning forward, meaning that it´s probably a tailwheel back there somewhere ( like Uhu, Fw189)
But this is a difficult one.

Jasko76
02-22-2005, 02:21 AM
Well, won't the original poster enlighten us before we blow our poor brains!

VFA195-MaxPower
02-22-2005, 08:52 PM
I've been reviewing a lot of material and the closest thing I can come up with is a Fokker G-1 conversion with a glazed nose and an inline engine. I compared photos of the G-1 with this picture and the shapes of the airframes are very similar- almost identical, I think. The marking on the wing could very well be the early war markings of the netherlands.. The puzzle is the engine and the glazed nose.

wayno7777
02-22-2005, 10:38 PM
Just noticed that those engines aren't installed yet. http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/35.gif Looks more like a Lilly (Ki-48) [than a Ki-49 Helen] being converted from radial to in-line.
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v224/wayno77/Ki48-Lilly-1.jpg

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v224/wayno77/Ki-48Lilly.jpg

VFA195-MaxPower
02-22-2005, 11:43 PM
The aircraft in the photo of the original post has a pod/twin boom configuration. The only japanese planes I've found that have such a configuration are a push/pull and pusher experimental fighters.

Waldo.Pepper
02-22-2005, 11:55 PM
I'm pretty sure I have figured out what the plane is but it sure was not easy and I'm not real certain yet.

Anyway I think that it is a picture of the single Italian SM 91 produced.

I think that the picture may depicts the production of the plane before it was fitted with a solid nose and the three cannons fitted to the nose.

That would explain the engines, and the pattern of the glass panels fits the Italian SM 91 perfectly, as does the landing gear.

The wing roundel could also be explained in a couple of ways. It could be a placeholder for the circular Italian fascist symbol, or less likely the roundel for the co beligerant forces after the Italian Armistice of 1943.

This second possibility is not too farfetched really as the producers fo the plane did try to interest the Allies in the plane, with an engine change to Merlins. And we could be witnessing this process.

Im pretty sure that this is the Sm 91. But will look into it further.

Werre_Fsck
02-23-2005, 12:08 AM
The fuselage shape and the twin tail reminds me of Saab 21. Could this be some swedish proto?

woofiedog
02-23-2005, 12:25 AM
http://www.angelfire.com/fm/compass/Donryu.jpg

Nakajima Ki-49 Donryu - 'Helen'

The Ki-49 was designed to an Army specification of 1938 as a replacement for the Mitsubishi Ki-21 'Sally' twin-engined bomber - but it was initially only slightly faster than the Ki-21, had a poor ceiling and never achieved a significant advance in range or offensive weapons load, although it was the first Japanese bomber to carry a 20mm cannon as part of its standard defensive armament. The 1,160 hp Ha-5B engines of the prototype were replaced by the Ha-21 to produce the Ki-49-I model. 129 were built at Ohta, after whose Donryu (dragon swallower) shrine the aircraft was named. The production machine was designated by the Army the 'Type 100' heavy bomber, and given the reporting-name 'Helen' by the Allies.
The Donryu's first mission was a 19 February 1942 raid on Port Darwin in Australia, from a base in New Guinea. The main production model was the better-armed Ki-49-II , 649 of which were built by Nakajima, 50 by Tachikawa and a few by Mansyu in Harbin, Manchuria.

Although used in almost every combat area of the Pacific war, the Donryu was never very successful. Many were destroyed during the Leyte campaign, and by the end of 1944 almost all surviving Donryus were being used in non-combatant roles or as suicide machines, or else - equipped with ASV radar or magnetic-mine detectors - as ocean patrol aircraft.

Three were converted as Ki-58 fighters armed with five 20mm cannon and three 12.7 mm machine-guns. Two were rebuilt as Ki-80 'lead ships' for attacks with fighter-bomber or suicide aircraft. The much more powerful Ki-49-III version never saw action, although six had been built by August 1945.

Werre_Fsck
02-23-2005, 12:38 AM
No way is it Helen.
Look at the size, it's small.

woofiedog
02-23-2005, 12:48 AM
Mitsubishi Ki-67 Hiryu - 'Peggy'

http://www.swannysmodels.com/images/Ki67/boxart.jpg

First encountered during the furious air-sea battle fought off Formosa in 1944, the Allies identified it as a new Naval type. However, downed examples in China and captured planes in the Philippines revealed its true identity. This was the Mitsubishi Ki-67 Hiryu "Flying Dragon" that resembled the G4M Betty put on a slimming diet. Designed by Mitsubishi Chief Engineer Ozawa Kyonosuke and his team in response to a 1941 Japanese Army specification requesting a high-speed heavy bomber the Ki-67 not only met the speed requirement she did so while achieving the maneuverability of a fighter. In addition, it also sported armor and self-sealing fuel tanks and was perhaps one of the best all around bombers produced by Japanese during the Pacific War.

http://www.angelfire.com/fm/compass/BHiryu.jpg

Late in 1940, even as Nakajima€s Ki-49 Donryu was undergoing testing, the Army Air Staff was drafting specifications for her future successor. Mitsubishi was therefore instructed to build three prototypes. Ozawa€s team designed a clean, slender mid-wing monoplane powered by a pair of 1,900-hp Ha-104s. To ease production, the Ki-67 was designed to be constructed from sub-assemblies right from the start. Without a bomb load of any kind, the Hiryu could easily loop, its turning radius often exceeded some fighter designs, and its controls remained smooth and effective even in dives of up to 373 mph. It compared favorably with Allied contemporaries, but despite its official classification by the JAAF as a heavy bomber, it was more in the class of the American B-26 Marauder.
The type was considered to be both easy to fly and amazingly maneuverable. This performance inspired the development of the type into a heavy fighter (the Ki-109), which in addition to more powerful turbocharged engines, would have a hand loaded 75mm cannon and 15 rounds of ammunition in a solid nose. Unfortunately (or fortunately if you were a B-29 crewman) the more powerful engines were not available and the Ki-109 was equipped with standard engines, which would not allow the aircraft to reach sufficient altitude to attack the Superfortresses.
The development of the Ki-67 €œPeggy€ was chaotic at best. The potential of the plane was so promising that the Army asked for too many versions and tests so that it took until October of 1944 for the plane to enter service. It served mainly in torpedo missions against the US armada heading towards Japan. It also conducted several raids against B-29 bases in the Mariannas. A remarkable heavy bomber: it was not only the best in its category in wartime Japan, but its maneuverability was such that it could outshine purebread fighters. When the war ended and production ceased 727 examples of the €œPeggy€ had been manufactured.

woofiedog
02-23-2005, 12:56 AM
Mitsubishi Ki-21 'Sally'

http://www.studenten.net/customasp/axl/image/foto/24-4-2003-9-28-mitsubishi_ki-21-ic_sally_formation_of_hamamatsu_bomber_school_over _hokkaidomountains.jpg


Already obsolete at the time of the Pearl Harbor attack, the Ki-21 Type 97 heavy bomber (Allied code name 'Sally') remained the backbone of the Japanese Army Air Force's bomber squadrons throughout the war. The 'Sally' entered service in 1937 and was used against Soviet forces in Manchuria in 1939 and against the Chinese in the lengthy Japanese warfare in China. The 'Sally' flew against U.S. forces in the South Pacific, but by the end of the war the plane was employed primarily as a transport.

On May 24, 1945, seven Sallies flew from Japan to land at an American-held airfield on Okinawa; five were shot down, but the two survivors crash-landed at Yontan airfield, and the twelve commandos from the planes destroyed seven U.S. aircraft, fuel drums, and an ammunition dump before being killed by defending U.S. Marines. At the war's end the 'Sally' joined other Japanese aircraft that were painted white with green crosses to carry VIPs negotiating the Japanese surrender. The 'Sally' thus had the distinction of being in Japanese Army service longer than any other combat aircraft.

A Mitsubishi design, the 'Sally' was developed as a heavy bomber to strike targets in the Soviet Far East. The prototype flew in 1937. The design was accepted, but it was reengineer and was continually refined (by Nakajima as well as Mitsubishi) to increase the bomb load and defensive armament. The improved Ki-21-II was the definitive variant, with the IIb sub-series introducing a dorsal gun turret (in place of the "greenhouse"; see below). A further improvement (Ki-21-III) was rejecting in favour of the Ki-67 'Peggy'. Production of the 'Sally' continued until Sept. 1944 with 2,064 aircraft being produced.

The 'Sally' was a twin engine, mid-wing aircraft distinguished by an elongated doral "greenhouse" aft of the cockpit, a glazed nose, and tall tail fin. The undercarriage fully retracted into the radial engine nacelles. Up to 2,200 pounds of bombs could be carried in the internal bomb bay. The IIb variant had a defensive armament of one 12.7 mm machine gun in the dorsal turret, four 7.7 mm hand-held machine guns in the nose and other positions, and a remote-controlled 7.7 mm gun in the tail "stinger" position.

Maximum speed for the IIb was 297 mph, while its range was 1,350 miles on combat missions. The aircraft was flown by a crew of seven.


http://www.diggerhistory.info/images/air-ww2-enemy/jap-mitsubishi-sally.gif

Jasko76
02-23-2005, 02:33 AM
None of these, I'm afraid. The plane we're looking for is way to small for these bombers!

YAKMAN1968
02-23-2005, 02:45 AM
My guess
http://hsfeatures.com/features04/images/marylandme_3.jpg

Chefzilla
02-23-2005, 11:14 AM
The only issue I ahve with that plane being japanese, is their problem of building inline engines. They could only copy the 109's inline and had great difficulty developing their own. That planes is obviously not a bomber, much too small.

VFA195-MaxPower
02-23-2005, 02:39 PM
It's safe to say that this aircraft is not any hitherto known japanese type. None of these photos looks anything like the thing.

The SM.91 is a very good contender. But the greenhouse canopy blends into the rear fuselage a la the G.1 and the Black Widow. The canopy on the SM 91 stand up from the fuselage. Also, the coweling on the booms of the SM 91 run over top of the wings by quite a large margin. The cowelling of the booms of this aircraft are flush with the wings (as if the booms are hanging beneath them rather then being speared by them, if you know what I mean).

I contend that it's some kind of recon conversion of the G.1. Germany used a bunch of captured G.1's for training and such. Here are some pictures of the G.1, as well as the original for a direct comparison.
http://home.kabelfoon.nl/~esmith/g1a.jpg
http://members.cox.net/fliegeroffizier/1.jpg

http://www.umt.fme.vutbr.cz/~ruja/modely/podklady/Fokker-G1/1.jpg

http://www.beuliland.com/graficos/aviones/profiles/varios3/fokker%20G1A.jpg

telsono
02-23-2005, 03:09 PM
I believe its the prototype Kikka. The prototype flew with props prior to having a jet engine available. The Japanese built two aircraft based on the Me-262 airframe. One was smaller and the other was larger than the original. The long engine nacelles would be ample to install the future jet engines. Note the shape of the windshield and the tail.

VFA195-MaxPower
02-23-2005, 03:46 PM
There is no way it's a kikka. The cockpit of the kikka is located at midships, behind the wing. Moreover, the nose of this craft is not long enough.

jojoshooter
02-23-2005, 04:19 PM
...the more i look at it, the more i think VFA195-MaxPower hits the nail..

i'm almost sure it's the Fokker G-1 http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/10.gif

Oilburner_TAW
02-23-2005, 04:42 PM
look at the original picture and this one, the G1 looks to be a close match but a lot larger (notice the relationship of the workers in the picture to the plane size)

http://www.fokkerg-1.nl/plaatjes/g1guns.jpg

Oilburner_TAW
02-23-2005, 04:44 PM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by Oilburner_TAW:
look at the original picture and this one, the G1 looks to be a close match but a lot larger (notice the relationship of the workers in the picture to the plane size)

http://www.fokkerg-1.nl/plaatjes/g1guns.jpg <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

here's a website devoted to the fokker g1..the english page is gone so if you can read the "other" version..let us know what's going on. I even pulled the original into photoshop and started adjusting it and applying filters to try and pull more detail, but apparently this only works on TV http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_smile.gif

http://www.fokkerg-1.nl/

VFA195-MaxPower
02-23-2005, 04:59 PM
I think it's the size of the wasp/mercury radial engine cowls that's making the aircraft appear large. The men are still much taller than the central pod.. about the same size as they are standing on the wing.

Obi_Kwiet
02-23-2005, 05:29 PM
Is this plane really going to be in the patch? Will it be flyable?

jamesdietz
02-23-2005, 05:45 PM
H___ll! We don't even have positive ID on it yet ...who knew it was so tough?

VFA195-MaxPower
02-23-2005, 06:41 PM
I'm the first one to be skeptical of any claim..

but it's some kind of G-1. Be sure.

Zyzbot
02-23-2005, 07:16 PM
It is a Praga E 51 Czech Heavy Fighter

http://www.airwar.ru/image/i/spyww2/e51-i.jpg

here is a link comparng it to a Fokker G-1:

http://airmuseum.webpark.sk/porovnanie_praga_fokker_e.html

DDad
02-23-2005, 07:47 PM
Just a reminder- while the plane may have been flown by the Japanese forces in this pic- does NOT make it a Japanese plane. Best example I can think of are the assorted pics I've seen of captured/evaluation aircraft (Such as the LAGG-3, DB-7,BF 109, He-100, etc)
All of them had Japanese markings

BTW- Did some looking up of the Praga- I think We Have a Winner!
http://www.luftwaffe-experten.co.uk/praga.html

441Spyder
02-23-2005, 07:49 PM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by Zyzbot:
It is a Praga E 51 Czech Heavy Fighter

http://www.airwar.ru/image/i/spyww2/e51-i.jpg

here is a link comparng it to a Fokker G-1:

http://airmuseum.webpark.sk/porovnanie_praga_fokker_e.html <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

Bingo that is it

Zyzbot
02-23-2005, 07:50 PM
Another photo of the Praga E-51...looks like the same hangar:
http://www.luftwaffe-experten.co.uk/czech/e51f.jpg

Badsight.
02-23-2005, 08:07 PM
jamesdietz , very cool painting , thx for sharing

Jasko76 , Bugatti's plane never got to fly , but she was expected to be a really good performer speed wise , here it is in restored condition at the oshkosh museum in the states

http://server2.uploadit.org/files/clippa-BugattiModelRacer1.jpg

wayno7777
02-23-2005, 08:21 PM
Have to concur with Zyzbot. I do believe he's found it. http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_cool.gif Great show dude!

Oilburner_TAW
02-23-2005, 08:25 PM
Yes, most definately!

The other thing I noticed was that the G1 has a notched rudder (like a f4u) and the plane in the pick did not.

Franzen
02-23-2005, 08:39 PM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by Franzen:
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by Jasko76:
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by Franzen:
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by Jasko76:
It looks like German Argus engines, but it's shape is not German at all... Perhaps French or Italian? <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

Jasko, look at the right wing. You can see the solid circle. Chances are, it's red. Look at the cockpit style. Look at the fuselage style. The only thing missing is the sushi bar.

Fritz Franzen <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

All right then, a Mitsubishi with Argus engines? http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-very-happy.gif <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/88.gif Ok, you win. <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

Any advice on removing a my size 13 foot from my much smaller mouth? http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/1072.gif

Waldo.Pepper
02-24-2005, 02:31 AM
Wonderful Zyzbot. Very good work there.

That was fun.

Cragger
02-24-2005, 02:53 AM
What I find intresting is it has 12 cylinder inverted V AIRCOOLED engines. Fixed undercarriage probably didn't help the top speed http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_smile.gif

jamesdietz
02-24-2005, 08:50 AM
I agree- I jusrt wanted to say that this has been the best thread i ever started & another reason I love to be involved in this game..its not jusy playing it that has made a childhood dream come true( & my wife's nightmares) but all the other interests in has engendered:discussions on aircraft,history etc,skins, missions, movies,computer glitches,TrackIr,3-D glasses, etc,etc.Who could have guessed?Oleg? Not me thats for sure! But back to the point -thanks to all of you who guessed at this Beast ( I still like my initial guess :The SKORPIAN'S Super Secret Mystery Ship-but I have"issues"...)As soon as I'm done here I will email Aeroplane Mothly with my ( your) findings...I hope I'm (you're) the first with the correct answer to this fascinating aircraft...now I wonder if it ever got off the ground ...Oh yeah -will Oleg will model it for BoB-itsd the right time frame - sorta-kinda????

woofiedog
02-24-2005, 09:21 AM
http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/25.gifLove those lines.

http://www.samoloty.ow.pl/rys/rys060.jpg

Rozpięto""
15,60 m

D"ugo""
11,70 m

Powierzchnia no"na
35,44 m2

Masa w"asna
3102 kg

Masa ca"kowita
4120 kg

Prędko"" maksymalna
380 km/h

Pu"ap
7000 m

Zasięg
900 km



http://www.luftwaffe-experten.co.uk/czech/e51fremde.jpg

Link: http://www.samoloty.ow.pl/str084.htm

Zyzbot
02-24-2005, 09:24 AM
I found a site in Russian and used an on-line translator to try to see what it said about this plane. Here it is...

E-51 - Developed by the Czechoslovak firm of .KD-Praga. In 1936 the Defense Ministry of Czechoslovakia (Ministerstvo Narodni Obrany - MNO) published requirements for the tactical reconnaisance aircraft for use on the front line. In the competition participated firm Letov (S -50), Aero (A -304) and.KD- Prague with aircraft E-51. On the aircraft it was planned to establish one of three engines - Praga FR with the power of 612 hp, Walter Sagitta with the power of 542 hp or Avia Rk-17 the power of 350 hp. Selected the engine of firm Walter, since engine Rk-17 had small power, and itself was located BY FR in the stage of modification. The first prototype was ready to winter 1937/38 it was annual and was obletan on 26 May, 1938. In the course of tests were revealed some deficiencies, whose modification engaged still certain time. The renovated aircraft flew on 11 February, 1939. German intrusion into Czechoslovakia prevented further tests. Specialists Luftwaffe interested this aircraft, they conducted several test flights in Czechoslovakia itself, then aircraft was transported to the test center in Reykhline and after a certain time it was transmitted to firm Klemm. Its further fate is unknown. --------------------------------------------------------------------------------
LTKH: Modification e-51

Span of wing, m 15.60
Length, m 11.69
Height, m wing area, m2 35.44
Mass, kg of empty aircraft 3102
Normal takeoff is is 4120
Types of engine 2 PD Walter Sagitta I- mr Power, hp. 2 X 542
Maximum speed, km/h 380
Cruising speed, km/h 330
Duration of flight, ch.min 3.48
Rate of climb, m/min 400
The service ceiling, m 5500
Crews 3
Armament: three 7.92- mm of the machine gun

woofiedog
02-24-2005, 09:33 AM
Zyzbot ... Thank's for the translation.

Benito5
02-24-2005, 09:40 AM
this is the secret airplane of GERMANY AXE http://www.luft46.com/

W the DUX
W BENITO MUSSOLINI

jamesdietz
02-24-2005, 01:22 PM
By the way guys, thanks again - I've sent the answer into
Aeroplane Monthly , now all I have to do is sit back & wait for my fabulous $$$$$ prize!!! To Kool for School!

VFA195-MaxPower
02-24-2005, 02:31 PM
Nice work Zyzbot! Excellent work!

corvette93
02-24-2005, 10:06 PM
I think it is a Ki-48 bomber.

JR_Greenhorn
02-24-2005, 11:23 PM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by corvette93:
I think it is a Ki-48 bomber. <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>Way to read the first post there, buddy.

Jasko76
02-25-2005, 01:16 AM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by jamesdietz:
By the way guys, thanks again - I've sent the answer into
Aeroplane Monthly , now all I have to do is sit back & wait for my fabulous $$$$$ prize!!! To Kool for School! <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

You little! http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-very-happy.gif

If you get the prize, the least you can do is buy us a pint!

Franzen
02-25-2005, 05:26 AM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by Jasko76:
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by jamesdietz:
By the way guys, thanks again - I've sent the answer into
Aeroplane Monthly , now all I have to do is sit back & wait for my fabulous $$$$$ prize!!! To Kool for School! <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

You little! http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-very-happy.gif

If you get the prize, the least you can do is buy us a pint! <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

Although I was very wrong, I can't help feeling used and cheap. http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-sad.gif

But that pint would make me feel better. http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-happy.gif