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Anti_Ship_Fella
06-27-2007, 09:39 AM
is 1946 playable without a joystick? (just my plain ol' keyboard and my old rotten mouse hehe http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-very-happy.gif) but is it?

Anti_Ship_Fella
06-27-2007, 09:39 AM
is 1946 playable without a joystick? (just my plain ol' keyboard and my old rotten mouse hehe http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-very-happy.gif) but is it?

FritzGryphon
06-27-2007, 10:01 AM
Mouse can't be used for control, and keyboard is mostly unplayable. I'd find it hard even just to land safely with the keyboard.

Bare minimum I would suggest a cheapo joystick with twist, but a seperate rudder control would be better.

MaxMhz
06-27-2007, 10:20 AM
A twist stick with throttle would do OK.
e.g. Saitek cyborg evo or Saitek ST290

Bearcat99
06-28-2007, 07:32 AM
Its like riding a Harley in Miamai naked in July... you can do it.. but.... why..?? ... and is it really worth the hassle...
Do youeself a favor and get a joystick. Look to spend from $40 up... stay away from Logitech.. no matter how cool it looks.

Anti_Ship_Fella
06-28-2007, 12:17 PM
why stay away from logitech? http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_confused.gif i have a PS2 logitech joystick and it works just fine!
and can i play it without that throttle thing... (only the flying stick)

Crash_Moses
06-28-2007, 02:40 PM
They aren't very durable. However, if you're on a budget and haven't yet decided to make WWII flight sims your obsession, then a Logitech will do fine. But you can get a Saitech Cyborg Evo cheap at Wal-Mart.

Otherwise, get the best stick you can afford.

Anti_Ship_Fella
06-28-2007, 03:40 PM
so the flying stick is mandatory and the throttle thingy isn't?

kevinlack2
06-28-2007, 05:01 PM
Joystick choice has alot to do with where you set/operate the joystick and finger/wrist comfort.

Many of the cheap sticks are strait up and down. very uncomfortable for me since I just place it on my desk in front of the monitor. I found that the Logitec extreme 3d pro is comfortable, responsive and easy to use plus, easily found (staples, best buy, etc). Though not the cheapest and they often wear out faster than many others. I do not get wrist pain/numbness after flying for 3-4 hours like with my former saitek.

Strait up down sticks are better if you sit high enough for your upper arm and elbow to be at 90 desgrees or have a mount below desk level so wrist fatigue is minimal. As in a real aircraft.

Just an aside, I am retired Naval Weather Forecaster and currently working as a civilian forecaster supervisor on an Air Force Base.

-HH-Quazi
06-28-2007, 05:32 PM
And sticks along the lines mentioned here will have a slider of sorts that acts as a throttle. I used a $20 Logitech stick from Wal-Mart for the first year I played this sim and it held up & worked just fine.

I have met only one person that flew this sim with a keyboard. And it blew me away when I found out he was flying this sim with a keyboard because you sure couldn't tell it by the way he flew.

Still yet, this is a flight simulator and you would be better served & also get allot more enjoyment out of flying this sim if you were to use a flight stick.

Crash_Moses
06-28-2007, 08:43 PM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by Anti_Ship_Fella:
so the flying stick is mandatory and the throttle thingy isn't? </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

Not neccesarily mandatory...it's possible to fly with the keyboard...we just strongly recommend a joystick to get the most out of the sim.

And the throttle thingy isn't required...just nice to have.

S!

Anti_Ship_Fella
06-29-2007, 01:45 AM
wich one is better (if this is enough) HERE&gt;&gt;&gt;IS EDNET STICKhttp://i204.photobucket.com/albums/bb307/insomniac7771/12010_3.jpg
or
this here&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt; has the throttle thingy (red labeled)AND THIS ONE IS LOGIC 3 http://i204.photobucket.com/albums/bb307/insomniac7771/11378_3-1.jpg

Crash_Moses
06-29-2007, 06:58 AM
I'm not familiar with either but the first one looks like it has a hat switch which is good for looking around. You can use the keyboard for the throttle with no problem.

major_setback
06-29-2007, 08:20 AM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by Anti_Ship_Fella:
wich one is better (if this is enough) HERE&gt;&gt;&gt;IS EDNET STICKhttp://i204.photobucket.com/albums/bb307/insomniac7771/12010_3.jpg
or
this here&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt; has the throttle thingy (red labeled)AND THIS ONE IS LOGIC 3 http://i204.photobucket.com/albums/bb307/insomniac7771/11378_3-1.jpg </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

Here are some tips on good joysticks:

http://forums.ubi.com/eve/forums/a/tpc/f/23110283/m/594...941049613#5941049613 (http://forums.ubi.com/eve/forums/a/tpc/f/23110283/m/5941049613?r=5941049613#5941049613)

http://forums.ubi.com/eve/forums/a/tpc/f/26310365/m/347...471021884#3471021884 (http://forums.ubi.com/eve/forums/a/tpc/f/26310365/m/3471021884?r=3471021884#3471021884)

http://forums.ubi.com/eve/forums?a=search&reqWords=whic...forum_scope=26310365 (http://forums.ubi.com/eve/forums?a=search&reqWords=which+joystick&use_forum_scope=on&forum_scope=26310365)

http://forums.ubi.com/eve/forums?a=search&reqWords=best...forum_scope=26310365 (http://forums.ubi.com/eve/forums?a=search&reqWords=best+joystick&use_forum_scope=on&forum_scope=26310365)


http://forums.ubi.com/eve/forums?a=search&reqWords=what...forum_scope=26310365 (http://forums.ubi.com/eve/forums?a=search&reqWords=what+joystick&use_forum_scope=on&forum_scope=26310365)

Anti_Ship_Fella
06-29-2007, 03:10 PM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by Anti_Ship_Fella:
wich one is better (if this is enough) HERE&gt;&gt;&gt;IS EDNET STICKhttp://i204.photobucket.com/albums/bb307/insomniac7771/12010_3.jpg
or
this here&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt; has the throttle thingy (red labeled)AND THIS ONE IS LOGIC 3 http://i204.photobucket.com/albums/bb307/insomniac7771/11378_3-1.jpg </div></BLOCKQUOTE>
but my dad says that it is a **** if its price is below 120 of our money and the first one is 100 and the second is 150 sooooo i will have to make a chouce

Anti_Ship_Fella
06-29-2007, 04:27 PM
http://i204.photobucket.com/albums/bb307/insomniac7771/11378_3-1.jpg this one is not in stock
and this one is LOOK DOWN

http://i204.photobucket.com/albums/bb307/insomniac7771/103190_3.jpg same price

polak5
06-29-2007, 11:11 PM
as your first joystick i suggest you have 3 things.

A hatswitch for looking around.. Unless you get TrackIR,

A twistable joystick for rudder.

A slider.

Also is your PS2 joystick USB? have u tried pluging it in to your pc?... I had a ps2 keyboard that worked on my pc, maybe ur joystick will work on ur pc.

Anti_Ship_Fella
06-30-2007, 04:08 AM
so a USB PS2-PC joystick would be 'nuff (not a flying stick)

Skycat_2
06-30-2007, 12:36 PM
Realistically you need a game controller of some sort. Yes, you could use up/down/right/left arrows on your keyboard but that would give you very crude and jerky control of your plane. This could be acceptable if you just want to fly bombers, but if you want to dogfight you won't stand much of a chance ...

One of the reasons for using a joystick is that it helps you make fine control adjustments in coordinated turns and other maneuvers. Your PS2 controller may be better than the keyboard for this but I don't know. Does your controller have a USB adapter? I had a mouse that came with a USB to PS2 adapter so I would imagine that you have to have a similar device for going the other way.

At this point you'd probably have functions similar to a cheap-o joystick, one that doesn't have rudder control. Rudder control can be achieved through the keyboard (in theory) but this is a difficult method in practice. For one thing, you have to have a hand free to hit the keyboard keys. http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_smile.gif Also, when you aren't tapping the rudder keys the rudder will return to neutral, which can affect your overall control of the plane.

Rudder control is important for accurate gunnery. Imagine you're swooping down on a convoy of trucks and you want to spray them with machine gun and cannon fire. You begin to fire and all your bullets are hitting to the side of the convoy. If you have rudder control, you can swing the nose of your plane a little to the left or right and adjust your fire while the plane is still travelling in the same forward direction. If you don't have rudder control, you may have enough time to roll the plane a little, bank, and return to level flight to correct your fire ... but attack runs only give you a few seconds where your weapons are concentrated for maximum lethality.

Maybe you can map the L1/R1 or L2/R2 buttons to your rudder. It would be great if that works.

Anti_Ship_Fella
07-02-2007, 06:46 AM
thx to ye all

Anti_Ship_Fella
07-02-2007, 07:59 AM
hey i was browsin' a bit so i wonder if this one is enough Saitek ST90 (http://images.google.hr/images?sourceid=navclient&ie=UTF-8&rlz=1T4ADBS_en___HR209&q=saitek%20st90&oe=UTF-8&um=1&sa=N&tab=wi)

BrotherVoodoo
07-02-2007, 10:28 AM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">hey i was browsin' a bit so i wonder if this one is enough Saitek ST90 </div></BLOCKQUOTE>
Looks like a good enough starter stick.

grndragon57
07-02-2007, 10:32 AM
The ST-90 would work. Check Gogamer and see if they still have the Saitek Cyborg Graphite for Around $12US.I used one for about 3yrs.Not the best,but a cheap place to start.Has throttle and 4 fire buttons but you need to use the keyboard for the rudder.

Anti_Ship_Fella
07-02-2007, 02:50 PM
ST-90 has a throttle???
its probably not a big problem to use the rudder on the keyboard? so ST-90 is nuff