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Afromike1
06-16-2008, 01:35 PM
I usually fly the bf-109, so this seems like a big transformation for me. It seems as though the 190 cannot withstand a lot of punishment with turning cause I spin like crazy if I pull the stick back too far, thats not the same for the 109. So any tips would be nice.

Afromike1
06-16-2008, 01:35 PM
I usually fly the bf-109, so this seems like a big transformation for me. It seems as though the 190 cannot withstand a lot of punishment with turning cause I spin like crazy if I pull the stick back too far, thats not the same for the 109. So any tips would be nice.

JZG_Thiem
06-16-2008, 01:42 PM
stay fast
dont turn much
shallow climbs
stay fast
use insane INSTANT turn capability
stay fast

ohh, did i mention? -> STAY F A S T

Davinci..
06-16-2008, 01:52 PM
The 190 is one heck of a bird, when flown right, and you will undoubtedly get a lot of good responses to your inquiry, as this has been a question which has been asked time and time again. To summerise what will likely be said, No it cant turn like a 109, and you certainly shouldnt fly it as such.

The 190 is a killer not a fighter. Instead of running into a fight turning, ducking and jabbing, you should be setting up a knockout punch. Thats what it does best, Stay fast, Swoop in, hit hard, and swoop out. Attack with the advantage, and leave when you've lost it. Though you can certainly "fight" in a 190, that takes a lot more experience to do "well". If you end up in a "fight" with something like a spitfire, and are flying the 190 like a 109, you are in for a world of hurt.

Wildnoob
06-16-2008, 01:53 PM
hello Afromike1 !

http://forums.ubi.com/eve/forums/a/tpc/f/23110283/m/5541064666

the tips I posted in this topic for the F-4U also can be used in the FW-190.

Freiwillige
06-16-2008, 02:10 PM
lets start by looking at the 190's streangths and its weak spots to build a bigger picture of the proper tactics.

+ Heavy firepower with tons of ammo (Boom!)
+ Incredable roll rate. One of, if not the best in the sim (Good for forcing over shoots and scissors fights if your forced into it)
+ Great rudder authority (Snap shots)
+ Good field of view (Besides the bar- flame suit on)
+ Good acceleration
+ good dive speed (Pounce shoot and extend)

-High wing loading=bad sustained turn performance
-Poor climb rate
-Spins easily if angle of attack exceeds lift then spins from torque.

So avoid the traditional dogfight and use high speed hit and run slashing attacks.
Take snap shots you normally wouldnt because you have alot of ammo and 20mm's connecting do alot of damage.
Head on attacks are acceptable in this aircraft due to its small size and heavy firepower.
Never climb out of a fight but you can dive out of most fights. never turn more than 90 degrees to get a shot if you miss straighten out and extend and then reverse and repeat.
1 vs 1 the 190 is a bad plane to fight but with wingmen the 190 almost always comes out on top.
hope this helps bud.

LovroSL
06-16-2008, 03:11 PM
field of view is ... funny

because of the nice visibility you are able to see the bandid everywhere but the dead six and (here comes the punch) forward.

So you can track him, position yourself but when the push comes to shove you cant see **** because of the stupid bar. And because it is a BnZ plane and making those deflection shots is critical you have some serious problems if you cant "blind fire". The super wide forward glass pane frame doesnt help either.

ps. just been online with it... a little mad http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/35.gif

stalkervision
06-16-2008, 03:14 PM
Never slow down and only turn when absolutely necessary. http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif

Oh learn how to roll your plane too. http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_smile.gif

Afromike1
06-16-2008, 04:33 PM
okay so Ive tried it with BnZ tactics. But usually after I do so there is a guy always behind me chasing me. I am trying to run away as fast as I can but I cant out run him/her. What should I do when someone is on my 6-o'clock in a 190?

X32Wright
06-16-2008, 04:59 PM
Rolling Scissors preferably vertical rolling scissors. You have to be able to convert ur speed into rolls quickly without losing much speed.

Also to fly the FW's you have to be very comfortable with flying the G-10 to K-4 C3 109s and energy fighting in those. The FW190 A-6 (for spits) to A-9 (for everything else) would be the next stage and eventually the Dora and Ta-152H.

Wildnoob
06-16-2008, 05:10 PM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by Afromike1:
okay so Ive tried it with BnZ tactics. But usually after I do so there is a guy always behind me chasing me. I am trying to run away as fast as I can but I cant out run him/her. What should I do when someone is on my 6-o'clock in a 190? </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

it depends.

you are probably meeting with 1943 and late figthers.

the FW-190 can't outrun the P-51/47, Spitfire up to MKVIII, and the LA-5 up to FN.

on this case, I recommend use of a good teamwork to try keep your 6 clear of enemy aircraft. this kind of aircraft you can't outrun.

but, prior to that, dive and full open your trottle and you gonna easly outrun any pursuiter. I already spot a LA-5 diving on my 6, I full open trottle, dive away and manage to outrun it.

K_Freddie
06-16-2008, 05:41 PM
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Sorry to pop ye ole bubbles....
IF YOU DO NOT HAVE ANY IMAGINATION YOU WILL NOT MAKE IT - QUIET SIMPLE..
USE your brain... sport
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DuckyFluff
06-16-2008, 06:07 PM
Nice film http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_smile.gif
The 190 is a beast and despite a few little glitches I think is the best LW fighter available in 46, especially since the elevator has been completely porked in the 109 almost forcing you into low speed dogfights.

Flown properly a 190 of any mark is a very dangerous foe http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_wink.gif

OMK_Hand
06-17-2008, 01:56 AM
Hi Afromike1

If you have to manoeuvre in defence (bearing in mind that everything at this point suggests you are seconds away from the end) then you could try using:

'combat' flaps, 75% manual rpm, and 100% throttle in any turn

No flaps, auto rpm, and 95% throttle when level or diving (still in the fight)

Stay with 75% rpm if climbing using raw engine power and use 250 km/h as a base line best-climb speed.


The A4, A5, A6 and A8 all turn quite nicely and predictably using high power, flaps and manual rpm.
I wonder if the auto rpm fluctuating in a turn causes stability problems through changing torque or something?

Anyhow, just a suggestion.

When it all goes pear shaped, it pays to have a ślast ditch' escape manoeuvre up your sleeve. Being able to turn with authority under any circumstance helps to develop one... http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_smile.gif

Schwarz.13
06-17-2008, 05:32 AM
A good general tip for the FW 190:

Use rudder pedals for those last- <STRIKE>minute</STRIKE> second corrections/snapshots!

Xiolablu3
06-17-2008, 08:08 AM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by Wildnoob:
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by Afromike1:
okay so Ive tried it with BnZ tactics. But usually after I do so there is a guy always behind me chasing me. I am trying to run away as fast as I can but I cant out run him/her. What should I do when someone is on my 6-o'clock in a 190? </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

it depends.

you are probably meeting with 1943 and late figthers.

the FW-190 can't outrun the P-51/47, Spitfire up to MKVIII, and the LA-5 up to FN.

on this case, I recommend use of a good teamwork to try keep your 6 clear of enemy aircraft. this kind of aircraft you can't outrun.

but, prior to that, dive and full open your trottle and you gonna easly outrun any pursuiter. I already spot a LA-5 diving on my 6, I full open trottle, dive away and manage to outrun it. </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

Mate I'm quite sure that the Fw190A6 and newer can outrun a SPitfire VIII/IX (non-25lbs) on the deck quite easily.

At least I seem to have no problems with Spits of this level with regards to speed.

I often seem to outrun Spitfire IX's on the deck even in a FW190A4, unless this is just due to good energy mangement?

Wildnoob
06-17-2008, 08:25 AM
oh, sorry.

Xiolablu3
06-17-2008, 08:34 AM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by Wildnoob:
oh, sorry. </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

No need to apologise http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_smile.gif

The Spitfire never really had great low level speed compared to say the Fw190/Typhoon/Tempest/P51. Even the Bf109 which is almost its opposite number/equivelent (As in a very similar type/concept but on the German side) and very similar in performance throughout the war, was often a bit faster at low level.

The Spitfire was more a mid-high altitude fighter.

As long as you dive for the deck in a Fw190A6/A8 and run he shouldnt be able to catch you.

It took a massive 2400hp Griffon engine for the Spitfire to even get close to the P51 at low level, whereas the P51 could do the same with a Merlin. The SPitfire XIV pulled away as the altitudes got higher and the air got thinnner.

You pay for that great handling from the large wings with top speed at low level you see. The SPitfire had great aerodynamics, but that large wing is always going to cause more drag the lower you go than the small stubby wing of the Fw190. Hence the Spitfire needs more power to go the same speed, especially at low level where the air is thickest and creates more resistance/drag. Of course the extra weight of the Fw190 also makes a difference here, but generally speaking the Spitfire would go faster if it had smaller wings like the Bf109/Fw190.


That large eliptical wing is great for manouvres/handling/lift/climb rate, not great for high speed at low altitudes, visibilty or dive speed.

HayateAce
06-17-2008, 04:51 PM
1-Get a FW (flamin' weiner) buddy, and fly on comms. Fly however you want, and the moment you pick up someone on your six, scream to your buddy. Even if he is blind, one pull of the star wars cannons sprayed anywhere in the vicinity will clear your six.

2-Rinse

3-Repeat

This is why I laugh heartily at folks who think the 190 is a skills plane. On the red side, fly on servers with externals on, and this won't happen to you. Find a solo run ninety and drag him off to one side of the map with your P38, then watch as he learns in horror that a 190 is dead meat 1v1 a Lightning.

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WTE_Ibis
06-17-2008, 11:39 PM
Glad to see that you're not as one eyed as you use to be HA. http://media.ubi.com/us/forum_images/gf-glomp.gif


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K_Freddie
06-18-2008, 05:52 PM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by HayateAce:
This is why I laugh heartily at folks who think the 190 is a skills plane. On the red side, fly on servers with externals on, and this won't happen to you. Find a solo run ninety and drag him off to one side of the map with your P38, then watch as he learns in horror that a 190 is dead meat 1v1 a Lightning. http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/crackwhip.gif </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

Are not you the person that 'screamed incoherently' on the forum when a FW190 seemingly took you out under 'impossible conditions', they must have been cheeeeeeting somewhat.. http://media.ubi.com/us/forum_images/gf-glomp.gif
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Ernst_Rohr
06-18-2008, 09:04 PM
The 190 does take a bit of re-learning to fly to its most effective potential, but if you do, its a hot ride.

Rule #1 Dont turn.
Seriously. The 190 DOES turn well at very high speeds, but it also bleeds off energy quickly in tight turns. If you turn, make short gentle turns and try to avoid turning more than 90 degrees.

Rule #2 Never ever go below 300kph. Ever.
The one thing the 190 isnt, is a low speed dogfighter. There are guys that can do it, and quite well, but its something that takes a long time to master. For the 190, faster is always better.

Rule #3Use the roll!
The single most outstanding ability of the 190 is its incredible roll rate. Use the roll rate to change direction rapidly without turning. Its also one of your best escape maneuvers, and most often used in the Split-S. The 190 can roll on its back and pull up. You give up altitude for speed and a fast direction change.

The 190's high roll rate is also used in a rolling scissors, which takes some practice to master, but makes the 190 very dangerous in close.


Your best bet is to get high and build speed, then use shallow dives to zoom in on a target, building speed in the dive. Use the speed to close on him quickly, take a shot and KEEP GOING! Once your outside his gun range THEN pull up and convert all the speed back into altitude.

If the guy sees you coming and turns hard, let him. If he is turning, he is bleeding off energy and losing speed. Just go past, get clear, climb back up, and repeat.

Dont be afraid to take potshots in the 190. You have a ton of ammo compared to other planes. Dont be afraid to use it. With the heavy firepower of the 190, if your potshot connects, its generally going to hurt the other guy.

Stay fast, keep your energy up, dont turn, use your roll rate, and the 190 is a great plane. A lot of guys whine about the 190 because IF its flow right, it can be almost untouchable.

BAG.LordDante
06-19-2008, 09:46 AM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by HayateAce:
1-Get a FW (flamin' weiner) buddy, and fly on comms. Fly however you want, and the moment you pick up someone on your six, scream to your buddy. Even if he is blind, one pull of the star wars cannons sprayed anywhere in the vicinity will clear your six.

2-Rinse

3-Repeat

This is why I laugh heartily at folks who think the 190 is a skills plane. On the red side, fly on servers with externals on, and this won't happen to you. Find a solo run ninety and drag him off to one side of the map with your P38, then watch as he learns in horror that a 190 is dead meat 1v1 a Lightning.

http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/crackwhip.gif </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

Geee thats the biggest BS i heard in years http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-very-happy.gif

Bremspropeller
06-19-2008, 11:09 AM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">On the red side, fly on servers with externals on, </div></BLOCKQUOTE>


Epic fail http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/59.gif