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Doolittle81
09-14-2006, 12:06 PM
"Flyboys", the movie, gets released in about a week or two.
Flyboys (http://www.flyboysthemovie.com/)


Red Baron, a German-Directed and just now filming in Czech Republic, is projected for Autumn 2007 release. Red Baron (http://www.redbaron-themovie.com/)

Surely ONE of these will be a decent WWI aviation flick! A good and accurate one. I'd put my money on the German one over the Hollywood one.

Doolittle81
09-14-2006, 12:06 PM
"Flyboys", the movie, gets released in about a week or two.
Flyboys (http://www.flyboysthemovie.com/)


Red Baron, a German-Directed and just now filming in Czech Republic, is projected for Autumn 2007 release. Red Baron (http://www.redbaron-themovie.com/)

Surely ONE of these will be a decent WWI aviation flick! A good and accurate one. I'd put my money on the German one over the Hollywood one.

F6_Ace
09-14-2006, 12:27 PM
Judging by the track record of my cherry picking of titles such as Das boot and Downfall vs U571 and Pearl Harbour (yes, with a u) then I think you have made a very safe bet indeed.

bienenbaer
09-14-2006, 12:51 PM
"Das Boot" was filmed according to the novel by Guenter Buchheim, which is of some renown among german WWII novel.

"Der Untergang" is originally a book by Joachim Fest, one of Germany's most controversial and most literary historians. In his book Fest focusses on the evolvement of the characters, based on facts gathered by Trevor-Roper in his research of the end of the 3rd Reich.

You find nothing alike in the available info on the RedBaron movie. Check out its web-site http://www.redbaron-themovie.com and read the synopsis. It is almost the opposite of the character and motives of the late Manfred von Richthofen.

In the last years, german TV produced several half-TV/half-cinema movies (e.g. "Caesar"), which used historic settings and costumes to tell a half-baked soap story. In addition, the flight scenes don't seem to be made with real planes.

Expect the RedBaron to be less historical than U571 and a worse movie than Pearl Harbour.

BillyTheKid_22
09-14-2006, 12:54 PM
http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_smile.gifSept. 22, I am go to movies Flyboys!!!! http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif

F6_Ace
09-14-2006, 01:01 PM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by bienenbaer:
"Das Boot" was filmed according to the novel by Guenter Buchheim, which is of some renown among german WWII novel.

"Der Untergang" is originally a book by Joachim Fest, one of Germany's most controversial and most literary historians. In his book Fest focusses on the evolvement of the characters, based on facts gathered by Trevor-Roper in his research of the end of the 3rd Reich.

You find nothing alike in the available info on the RedBaron movie. Check out its web-site http://www.redbaron-themovie.com and read the synopsis. It is almost the opposite of the character and motives of the late Manfred von Richthofen.

In the last years, german TV produced several half-TV/half-cinema movies (e.g. "Caesar"), which used historic settings and costumes to tell a half-baked soap story. In addition, the flight scenes don't seem to be made with real planes.

Expect the RedBaron to be less historical than U571 and a worse movie than Pearl Harbour. </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

Yes, I've read Guenter Buchheim's book. It's very interesting and supplies quite a few more details than the film.

I never read "Der Untergang" but I did read "Berlin: the Downfall, 1945" by Beevor and found it to be similar to the film.

You maybe missed my sarcasm first time around...and maybe I am missing yours? http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_wink.gif

bienenbaer
09-14-2006, 01:24 PM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">You maybe missed my sarcasm first time around...and maybe I am missing yours? </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

If you are looking for sarcasm and not upset by anti-war novels, then I dare to suggest to you "Haie und kleine Fische" (Sharks and little fish) by Wolfgang Ott.

It's almost boring on the first 300 pages (hardly any U-boot) but dives into full underwater crescendo on the last 200.

Again I am sceptical for the translation, because Ott's writing is sometimes hard to follow even in German (not for long sentencess, morevoer his very shortcut style) and colloquial wording.

However, here I am willing to be blamed for giving a recommendation that did not keep up.

F6_Ace
09-14-2006, 01:30 PM
I'll keep an eye out for it. I'm certainly not afraid of anti-war and I do prefer books from the 'German side' as they offer a nice offset to the cobblers on the History Channel etc.

leitmotiv
09-14-2006, 03:16 PM
See the RED BARON thread from last week---there are indications the director took some outrageous liberties with the character of vR, specifically, according to their own website, he will be depicted as having been transformed into an anti-war activist by the war---completely ridiculous. As for FLY BOYS, the latest trailer shows it will be, at the very least, a ripping good dogfight film---just ignore the ridiculous section where the pilot rams a zep and runs along the top of the envelope as it blows up. Neither of these films are likely to be cinematically interesting, but Eastwood's FLAGS OF OUR FATHERS and LETTERS FROM IWO JIMA are likely to be masterpieces.