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Achilles97
02-11-2005, 01:59 PM
I've been off the board for 6 months so sorry if this is a common topic. I've decided to get back into this game after getting an X45 and TrackIR2.


I usually fly the bf109G10. I've noticed that now it's high speed manueverability is far worse than it was 6 months ago. So, I'm wondering if I'm flying the best version.

Why do people consider the G6/AS or G10 better than the G14 or even K4? I don't understand why the K4 is not better, it's just as powerful and it's more refined.

Maybe my info is dated. I would appreciate any comments.

Thanks!

Achilles97
02-11-2005, 01:59 PM
I've been off the board for 6 months so sorry if this is a common topic. I've decided to get back into this game after getting an X45 and TrackIR2.


I usually fly the bf109G10. I've noticed that now it's high speed manueverability is far worse than it was 6 months ago. So, I'm wondering if I'm flying the best version.

Why do people consider the G6/AS or G10 better than the G14 or even K4? I don't understand why the K4 is not better, it's just as powerful and it's more refined.

Maybe my info is dated. I would appreciate any comments.

Thanks!

3.JG51_BigBear
02-11-2005, 02:03 PM
Sir Robin says its the K4 and he only flys the best.

TheGozr
02-11-2005, 02:43 PM
i like G10

Platypus_1.JaVA
02-11-2005, 02:58 PM
K4. If not available, G6.

3.JG51_BigBear
02-11-2005, 03:21 PM
I really think it depends on the altitudes you expect to be fighting at. If its a low to medium altitude fight with low level energy tactics I would take the G-6A/S. If its a high altitude boom and zoom type fight I think the K4 is the way to go.

Achilles97
02-11-2005, 03:39 PM
Why is the G6/AS better at low to medium altitudes than a K4? Is it more maneuverable, or faster?

How is the G6/AS better than G10? Is it the engine? I thought the G10 had the newer K4 engine?

If the K4 is good for high level boom and zoom, does that mean it's not as good as G6/AS at low level turning? Why is that?

Where does the G10 fit in the lineup?

Thanks!

3.JG51_BigBear
02-11-2005, 04:01 PM
I'm working totally from my own experience. I'm sure there are people with numbers and charts and all sorts of other stuff as to why this plane is better than that and so foth but I go by what I've actually been able to do with the planes in game. In my opinion the G6A/S strikes a nice balance between speed and maneuverability. It also has a later style canopy that allows for better visibility and it has the option to carry the 20 or 30mm cannon which I kinda miss on the later 109s. The K4 is heavier and sticks you with the 30MM cannon but from my experience has better high altitude performance and goes faster. The G-10 goes faster than the G-6A/S but seems heavier and less manueverable at low to mid altitudes.

I switched to the Focke Wulf a while back, pretty soon after AEP, so I don't fly 109s as much as I did in the Il2/FB days, I have just always liked the G6A/S and K models.

TgD Thunderbolt56
02-11-2005, 11:39 PM
I prefer the K4 to all of them (with the G6 a/s close second) mostly because of it's acceleration and top speed.

Badsight.
02-12-2005, 12:40 AM
how about you go test & tell us what you think ?

<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by Achilles97:
Why is the G6/AS better at low to medium altitudes than a K4? Is it more maneuverable, or faster?

How is the G6/AS better than G10? Is it the engine? I thought the G10 had the newer K4 engine?

If the K4 is good for high level boom and zoom, does that mean it's not as good as G6/AS at low level turning? Why is that? <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

Indianer.
02-12-2005, 01:26 AM
A/S all the way.

if not available, G10

dieg777
02-12-2005, 01:58 AM
I second bigbear- for late war the G6as is best- I prefer its handling and the 20mm cannons and for high altitude the k4

BaldieJr
02-12-2005, 02:00 AM
G10. Stand on the rudder and put the stick in yer gut.

Badsight.
02-12-2005, 02:08 AM
test more Baldie . . .

BaldieJr
02-12-2005, 02:15 AM
I might have been flying something else, but i'm pretty sure it was G10.

Every time I got in trouble, I just kicked rudder and pointed the nose up. It just circled its way to heavan and I got a guns-pass when the baddies ran out of juice.

Maybe it was k4?

Badsight.
02-12-2005, 02:16 AM
im not saying a thing

WTE_Ibis
02-12-2005, 02:26 AM
Hey Badsight how is it you have only been around
for 22 days and only 203 posts?
You been a naughty boy?????????

LeadSpitter_
02-12-2005, 02:28 AM
g6 g10 are slower but better turn fighters low alt g14 k4 are heavier and much more deadly in the right hands.

k4 is definatly the most deadly and fastest 109

Badsight.
02-12-2005, 02:31 AM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by WTE_Ibis:
You been a naughty boy????????? <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>wadda you think ?

robban75
02-12-2005, 03:10 AM
I reckon that the G-6/AS has the best mix of agility and speed. It's faster than all the other G versions and it's certainly more manouverable than the K-4. However in terms of climbrate the K-4(as it is modelled) has no equal below 7000m.

WTE_Ibis
02-12-2005, 03:27 AM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by Badsight.:
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by WTE_Ibis:
You been a naughty boy????????? <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>wadda you think ? <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>
http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif
You gotta send a little vodka http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-very-happy.gif

WTE_Ibis
02-12-2005, 03:28 AM
And I like the G6/as. A good allrounder. http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-wink.gif

Abbuzze
02-12-2005, 03:30 AM
There is no real best 109.

The G6AS is loosing power allready over 5000m so most P51 driver who know how to fly can play cat and mouse with you, you can´t follow them, so I just use it to practice the 20mm.

G10 with the better DB605D engine is much better at this alt and even up to 6000-6500m

K4 is a monster, like it was in RL, improved aerodynamic often equipt with the same engine like the G10.
No idea why it should turn worse in RL than a G10.
Biggest difference was the retractable tailwheel, compleatly covered maingear and a different position of the radio (the only 100% possibility to say it is a G10 or a K10, cause even K4 fly without aerodynamical improvements!!!)

Kurfurst__
02-12-2005, 06:14 AM
Indeed. The G-10/U4 we have in the game weighted some 3343 kg at take off irl, compared to 3362 kg of the K-4. No practical difference, except the refined manner of the 109K airframe.
Still that elevator authority bug makes me mad...

As for the best, I`d say K-4. Having the relatively short ranged MK 108 is no problem if on the other hand you got the fastest piston engined fighter of the game (from the acceleration point of view). It`s easy to close on them.

Plus it`s almost always engage and disengage at will, unbeatable in the vertical, still quite strong in horizontal and manouvers.. It`s the DYNAMICs of the 109 which make me love it. Kinda like it has an ace up the sleeve for all possible situation.

PBNA-Boosher
02-12-2005, 06:21 AM
Talk to my friend Gottfried Dulias. He personally flew the Bf-109G-14/AS, which is most similar to the Bf-109G-10. He loved that plane. Got all his 5 kills with his Mk-108, never used the other guns. He got so close to his targets that he didn't need the gunsight, he says he actually had his mechanics remove the Revi because it was a hinderance.

KGr.HH-Sunburst
02-12-2005, 09:00 AM
somehow i prefer the G14 over the G10,K4 and even G6AS
its somewhere between the G6A/S and G10 but i just got a weak for the old nose bulges, put a canonUK kuhlein skin on it and its one awesome looking bird http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_smile.gif

Brotrob
02-12-2005, 09:33 AM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by PBNA-Boosher:
Talk to my friend Gottfried Dulias. He personally flew the Bf-109G-14/AS, which is most similar to the Bf-109G-10. He loved that plane. Got all his 5 kills with his Mk-108, never used the other guns. He got so close to his targets that he didn't need the gunsight, he says he actually had his mechanics remove the Revi because it was a hinderance.
<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>


Whowww !!!

Are you serious, you know a living veteran ? What did he say to the infamous problem of the MK 108 in the 109, that at even moderate turnes the ammunition belt allways mailfunctioned ? I heared that this gun-jam-problem led many pilots to hate the 108 and prefer the 20mm.

I'm very interested...


Best Greetings,

Brotrob

dadada1
02-12-2005, 10:45 AM
What robban said on page 1, G6AS has by far the best balance of virtues of any 109. Very good climb and top speed, superior manouverability to G10 and K4. You can choose between the 20mm and 30mm cannon depending on your gunnery skills. Whilst K has best climb in game, I think its main failing (poor elevator response) can get you into trouble when fighting American fighters. I find the AS is good enough to get you onto the tail of your persuer very quickly, or away from danger.

Badsight.
02-12-2005, 12:07 PM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by WTE_Ibis:
http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif
You gotta send a little vodka http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-very-happy.gif <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>
lol i aint got to send nothing if i want to alter my UBI account

Achilles97
02-12-2005, 12:43 PM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by PBNA-Boosher:
Talk to my friend Gottfried Dulias. He personally flew the Bf-109G-14/AS, which is most similar to the Bf-109G-10. He loved that plane. Got all his 5 kills with his Mk-108, never used the other guns. He got so close to his targets that he didn't need the gunsight, he says he actually had his mechanics remove the Revi because it was a hinderance. <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

Awesome. Tell us more.

PBNA-Boosher
02-12-2005, 02:14 PM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by Brotrob:
Whowww !!!

Are you serious, you know a living veteran ? What did he say to the infamous problem of the MK 108 in the 109, that at even moderate turnes the ammunition belt allways mailfunctioned ? I heared that this gun-jam-problem led many pilots to hate the 108 and prefer the 20mm. <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

Yes, I'm serious. His full title is Lieutenant Gottfried Paul Johannes Dulias. He flew for 3./JG 53. You can buy his new autobiography at Authorhouse.com. (http://www.authorhouse.com) (click on bookstore, and search for the author "Dulias")

In all my talks with him, he never mentioned the jamming of the Mk-108, he used his guns so little. Quite literally, what he tells me is a quote from his mechanics is "How did you get that kill and only expend 3 30mm rounds?" He really only took shots from 30 feet or less away, so he says, and therefore did not need the smaller caliber guns on the nose. The 30mm in the prop hub was powerful enough to do the job. Here's his kill count.

1. Spitfire
2. Spitfire
3. I-16
4. I-16
5. I-16

I'm guessing that since he used the 30mm gun so little that it did not clog up the barrel with used gunpowder or any other form of dirt. I can ask him specifically if you like. E-mail me at boosh at kbuch.com and I'll be glad to send you specific information regarding the Mk-108 in Yellow 6 (His Bf-109G-14/AS)