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VW-IceFire
03-06-2005, 12:09 PM
Hey all,

I've heard the rumor that all third party work on new game content is due to end shortly. Perhaps in the next week or two. I'm not sure if that applies to maps because I think there's still some work going on there.

But in any case, my attempts to contact Mr. Voicu have failed (his e-mail no longer seems to work) and I was just wondering if anyone has information on if the Tempest V cockpit made it.

I've been waiting paitently (most of the time http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif) for the chance to fly this aircraft. I think it'd be a shame to loose it now but I'm crossing my fingers.

Hopefully I don't develop a cramp in those fingers, they've been crossed for a while http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif

p1ngu666
03-06-2005, 12:55 PM
using new magic technique, i can see icefires dreams http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-surprised.gif

using fraps, this image was captured http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-surprised.gif

http://premium1.uploadit.org/pingu666//icefiretempest.jpg

stathem
03-06-2005, 01:30 PM
Is that from a certain DVD about a certain air force? Does it have Gun cam shots of a Tempest blowing up a V-1? I was thinking of doing a similar thing, not had time yet.

p1ngu666
03-06-2005, 02:09 PM
nah its from a book. could be off a film tho, as alot of films are surprisingly high quality http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-surprised.gif

stathem
03-06-2005, 02:20 PM
Aha, yep you're right, maybe fraps would be better.
http://homepage.ntlworld.com/griffnav/Gallery/Mossies.jpg
http://homepage.ntlworld.com/griffnav/Gallery/TempestScramble.jpg

p1ngu666
03-06-2005, 02:31 PM
cool pics http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_smile.gif

actully, i just used my camera to take pic of back cover of typhoon and tempest book http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif

what DVD is that ?

stathem
03-06-2005, 02:48 PM
It's IWM Officail Collection, RAF At War. It's a series of WW2 newsreels'made by the RAF for the RAF' type of thing, I'll try to do some more soon

VW-IceFire
03-06-2005, 03:44 PM
Ohhh...DVD http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif

LeadSpitter_
03-06-2005, 04:50 PM
Does a bear cr@p in the woods?

Da_Godfatha
03-06-2005, 05:08 PM
"Seeing is believing"

No601_Zulu
03-07-2005, 06:40 AM
~S~ IceFire

I'm with you on this one. This is one of the most important British aircraft of WWII. I am really hoping that the Tempest makes it to IL2 FB AEP PF before the close. I hear rumours that the cockpit is in the final stages of completion, but its getting very frustating. And the thought of Tempest being AI only, is well unthinkable.

VW-IceFire
03-07-2005, 07:21 AM
Agreed...

I'm going to try and once again contact the modeler but I had my e-mail bounce the last time.

EDIT: Bounced again.

MEGILE
03-07-2005, 08:03 AM
I'd be gutted if the Tesmpest, Spitfire XIV and Mossie all didn't make it in... but I could understand if Oleg was too busy with BoB http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif

Philipscdrw
03-07-2005, 08:51 AM
In the end, they'll all be in BoB, and that will really rule...

I would like to see the Mosquito and Tempest before then though! I eagerly followed the development at Il2center and Netwings...

AlmightyTallest
03-07-2005, 09:20 AM
I'd like to see another late war Allied aircraft like this as well.

We've had some bad news over the last few months, I hope this plane would be a part of the good news I'm hoping for.

VW-IceFire
03-07-2005, 01:20 PM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by Philipscdrw:
In the end, they'll all be in BoB, and that will really rule...

I would like to see the Mosquito and Tempest before then though! I eagerly followed the development at Il2center and Netwings... <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>
They wouldn't be in BoB.

Maybe after...but we're going to the Med first apparently so none of those till much later.

p1ngu666
03-07-2005, 01:59 PM
Oleg
http://premium1.uploadit.org/pingu666//tempestsmall.jpg

unleash the tempest http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/11.gif


http://premium1.uploadit.org/pingu666//tempestbig.jpg

if oleg put XIV, tempest, mossie in same patch, it will be know as the "ACTUNG! RAF" patch http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/59.gif

VW-IceFire
03-07-2005, 02:48 PM
Wow...neat picture! I've never seen a shot like that of the early Series 1 Tempest V. Impressive.

stathem
03-07-2005, 02:49 PM
Ditto
http://homepage.ntlworld.com/griffnav/Gallery/TempestII.jpg

Wouldn't it be sweet if we could get this version too!
(Actual WW2 shot, not post war, mind you,the P gives it away)

VW-IceFire
03-07-2005, 02:55 PM
The Mark II prototype as well! Man thats a cool and rare bird as well. Was the Mark II prototype a conversion of the Mark V prototype or was it from a Typhoon. I can't remember...

stathem
03-07-2005, 03:01 PM
From my very limited knowledge, I think they were built as separate prototypes, from he Typhoon II, but the centauros engine had more teething troubles than the Sabre. Shame, I think it was a wee bit quicker. Weren't there versions to take the Griffon too? Pingu would prob. know better than I

Alex_Voicu
03-07-2005, 03:47 PM
Icefire, sorry for the bounced e-mails. That mail server broke down a long time ago but i remember i sent you a message with my other e-mail address.

The external is now implemented in the game as an AI plane. I think i'm done with the cockpit, but the final textures may take a little longer. I just hope everything goes well when the model will be sent to Oleg.

lrrp22
03-07-2005, 04:41 PM
Alex,

Do you mean that Oleg already has the Tempest interior, or that you have a little more work to do before submitting?

Thanks for your hard work in getting the Tempest implemented!

<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by Alex_Voicu:
Icefire, sorry for the bounced e-mails. That mail server broke down a long time ago but i remember i sent you a message with my other e-mail address.

The external is now implemented in the game as an AI plane. I think i'm done with the cockpit, but the final textures may take a little longer. I just hope everything goes well when the model will be sent to Oleg. <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

VW-IceFire
03-07-2005, 05:00 PM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by Alex_Voicu:
Icefire, sorry for the bounced e-mails. That mail server broke down a long time ago but i remember i sent you a message with my other e-mail address.

The external is now implemented in the game as an AI plane. I think i'm done with the cockpit, but the final textures may take a little longer. I just hope everything goes well when the model will be sent to Oleg. <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>
Mmmm I must have lost the address in my e-mail backup when I had to reformat (wonders of technology). Anyways, thats reassuring...we've run into a minor setback with the XIV Project but its back on track at the moment so I'm crossing fingers we all make it! I'll save the heart attack for later if need be...good luck sir!

ImpStarDuece
03-07-2005, 06:10 PM
I'd love the idea of the Spitfire XIV, Mosquito F/B and the Tempest all arriving at the same time. About time the Brits got some more iron (or wood!) into the skies.

I am in the research and planning stages of a early 44 to very late 44/very early 45 campaign. I know there are more than a few floating around but I really want to simulate the build up to and fighting of the initial stages of the liberation of France.

At the moment I envision a tactical air war outlook; jabos and twins being the stars, fighters and quads in the auxilary roles. Sort of like CFS3 should of been. I've always been a ground pounder at heart, i'd rather take out a tank than a bogey. Guess thats why I love the Jug!

Imagine Mitchells and A-20s done up in RAF colours; Tempests, Spitfire IXs and XIVs and RAF Mustangs flying escort; Mossies and P-47s doing fast Jabo work and 'free hunt' ground straffing; Beach head support for Overlord; Hurri IICs hitting supply depots; V1 hunting missions roaming along the coastline
; missions leading upto the Falaise gap; the F/B carnage as the German army beats a retreat out of Normandy; Maybe even ground pounding in 38s and 47s around Bastonge.

As far as I can see it will take a solid six months of planning. At the moment i'm still building up my relationship with the FMB. She is fickle but fun!

Having a Mossie and a Tempset would make things a lot more interesting at medium altitude. Would give the Allies some late war recompense against the A8, A9, D9, G-10 and K-4. Also, I would like (nay, need) some more ammo load outs for the Hurri IIc. Outdated in '44 by a BIG margin but still an amazingly effective ground pounder and suprisingly deadly right on the deck. Rings PRO site has an excellent study of the effects of two 500lbrs on the flight characteristics of the Hurricane. Much better than those piddling little 250lb jobs for jabo missions.

p1ngu666
03-07-2005, 07:28 PM
http://premium1.uploadit.org/pingu666//tempests1.jpg

http://premium1.uploadit.org/pingu666//tempests2.jpg


http://premium1.uploadit.org/pingu666//tempests3.jpg

http://premium1.uploadit.org/pingu666//tempests4.jpg

http://premium1.uploadit.org/pingu666//tempests5.jpg

http://premium1.uploadit.org/pingu666//tempests6.jpg big pic of ammo stuff http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-surprised.gif

http://premium1.uploadit.org/pingu666//tempests7.jpg

p1ngu666
03-07-2005, 07:36 PM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by ImpStarDuece:
I'd love the idea of the Spitfire XIV, Mosquito F/B and the Tempest all arriving at the same time. About time the Brits got some more iron (or wood!) into the skies.

I am in the research and planning stages of a early 44 to very late 44/very early 45 campaign. I know there are more than a few floating around but I really want to simulate the build up to and fighting of the initial stages of the liberation of France.

At the moment I envision a tactical air war outlook; jabos and twins being the stars, fighters and quads in the auxilary roles. Sort of like CFS3 should of been. I've always been a ground pounder at heart, i'd rather take out a tank than a bogey. Guess thats why I love the Jug!

Imagine Mitchells and A-20s done up in RAF colours; Tempests, Spitfire IXs and XIVs and RAF Mustangs flying escort; Mossies and P-47s doing fast Jabo work and 'free hunt' ground straffing; Beach head support for Overlord; Hurri IICs hitting supply depots; V1 hunting missions roaming along the coastline
; missions leading upto the Falaise gap; the F/B carnage as the German army beats a retreat out of Normandy; Maybe even ground pounding in 38s and 47s around Bastonge.

As far as I can see it will take a solid six months of planning. At the moment i'm still building up my relationship with the FMB. She is fickle but fun!

Having a Mossie and a Tempset would make things a lot more interesting at medium altitude. Would give the Allies some late war recompense against the A8, A9, D9, G-10 and K-4. Also, I would like (nay, need) some more ammo load outs for the Hurri IIc. Outdated in '44 by a BIG margin but still an amazingly effective ground pounder and suprisingly deadly right on the deck. Rings PRO site has an excellent study of the effects of two 500lbrs on the flight characteristics of the Hurricane. Much better than those piddling little 250lb jobs for jabo missions. <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

tempests did fast jabo, big question is, will we have rockets?

sneaking over the channel, at 0 feet and 300mph+ for sneaky raids will be fun http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/59.gif

http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/10.gifbtw, for dday stuff, the germans had g6,g6late and a8 http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/10.gif

i can give u some links to mossie stuff from books ive uploaded before, and i can do some for the typhoon aswell.
dont have much on XIV IX and p51 and hurri missions, i have got some stuff tho http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-wink.gif

VW-IceFire
03-07-2005, 09:28 PM
Which book is this? I NEED IT http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif

p1ngu666
03-07-2005, 10:32 PM
typoon and tempest at war, and a 4+ one, which is iccle, and has TINY text.
the text is smaller than a ants peenuss, at the north pole http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-sad.gif

http://premium1.uploadit.org/pingu666/pingutiffy.jpg

http://premium1.uploadit.org/pingu666/pinguandnapire.jpg

http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gifhttp://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gifhttp://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gifhttp://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif

thats me btw, and the monopod makes me look fantasticly silly http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-very-happy.gif

jeanba2
03-07-2005, 11:05 PM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by p1ngu666:


tempests did fast jabo, big question is, will we have rockets?

http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-wink.gif <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>
During WW2, the Tempest did not carry rockets, only the dearly missing Typhoon did.
Anyway, I hope that in the game it will be able to carry rockets, as this could be an acceptable replacement for the Typhoon.
In Normandy, the Tempest was used at the very beginning of the campaign, as it was quickly transfered to the defence of the homeland against V1.

ImpStarDuece
03-08-2005, 03:25 AM
Pingu, thanks for the offer mate but i have really only started research and am already drowning in information. If I do need more mossie info I now know where to look! http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/11.gif

Oh, and i recon it would take more than a monopod to make you look silly http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_razz.gif

I'm thinking of inventing a 2TAF Spitfire squadron into existence but having it carry out the combined chronologies of a couple of different squadrons. Have it progress through various Spitfire marks (V through to XIV) and run it through the full gammut of mission types; base defence, sweep, escort, late evening/early morning intercepts, lots of ground pounding (V1 sites, Transportation plan, battle field interdiction, front line straffing, pin point dive bombing, tree top airfield straffing) and some other suprises as well.

If only we were getting the Tempest then I could of done a complete 56th squadron campaign (they went from Hurris to Tyffies to Spits to the Tempest, with a few other swithces in there!). Not that would be cool.

The lack of Westernfront maps really narrow my focus. This is a good thing though, otherwise I would have enough material to build a couple of hundred missions!

VW-IceFire
03-08-2005, 07:06 AM
Imp...I'm trying to see what we can do about having a generic western front map so that we can do campaigns like you've suggested.

Fish6891
03-08-2005, 09:05 AM
Ty Alex!!!! http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif

p1ngu666
03-08-2005, 10:42 AM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by ImpStarDuece:
Pingu, thanks for the offer mate but i have really only started research and am already drowning in information. If I do need more mossie info I now know where to look! http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/11.gif

Oh, and i recon it would take more than a monopod to make you look silly http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_razz.gif

I'm thinking of inventing a 2TAF Spitfire squadron into existence but having it carry out the combined chronologies of a couple of different squadrons. Have it progress through various Spitfire marks (V through to XIV) and run it through the full gammut of mission types; base defence, sweep, escort, late evening/early morning intercepts, lots of ground pounding (V1 sites, Transportation plan, battle field interdiction, front line straffing, pin point dive bombing, tree top airfield straffing) and some other suprises as well.

If only we were getting the Tempest then I could of done a complete 56th squadron campaign (they went from Hurris to Tyffies to Spits to the Tempest, with a few other swithces in there!). Not that would be cool.

The lack of Westernfront maps really narrow my focus. This is a good thing though, otherwise I would have enough material to build a couple of hundred missions! <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

u could do so u are spare bod, and jump from squadron to squadron, and ofcouse different plane types http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-surprised.gif http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-happy.gif

Alex_Voicu
03-08-2005, 10:49 AM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by lrrp22:
Alex,

Do you mean that Oleg already has the Tempest interior, or that you have a little more work to do before submitting?

Thanks for your hard work in getting the Tempest implemented!
<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

I will send the cockpit model to Oleg when Hammerd is done with the final textures. I don't want to send something that is only half finished.

Regarding the rockets, the AI Tempest is already carrying them http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_wink.gif

jagdmailer
03-08-2005, 11:14 AM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by Alex_Voicu:
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by lrrp22:
Alex,

Do you mean that Oleg already has the Tempest interior, or that you have a little more work to do before submitting?

Thanks for your hard work in getting the Tempest implemented!
<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

I will send the cockpit model to Oleg when Hammerd is done with the final textures. I don't want to send something that is only half finished.

Regarding the rockets, the AI Tempest is already carrying them http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_wink.gif <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

You guys get rockets for the Tempest ?? What about LW Panzerblitz rockets for the Fw 190F-8 that has been in the game for over a year or 2 now ??

Jagd

lrrp22
03-08-2005, 11:22 AM
Excellent Alex, thanks!

<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by Alex_Voicu:
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by lrrp22:
Alex,

Do you mean that Oleg already has the Tempest interior, or that you have a little more work to do before submitting?

Thanks for your hard work in getting the Tempest implemented!
<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

I will send the cockpit model to Oleg when Hammerd is done with the final textures. I don't want to send something that is only half finished.

Regarding the rockets, the AI Tempest is already carrying them http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_wink.gif <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

VW-IceFire
03-08-2005, 11:30 AM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by jagdmailer:
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by Alex_Voicu:
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by lrrp22:
Alex,

Do you mean that Oleg already has the Tempest interior, or that you have a little more work to do before submitting?

Thanks for your hard work in getting the Tempest implemented!
<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

I will send the cockpit model to Oleg when Hammerd is done with the final textures. I don't want to send something that is only half finished.

Regarding the rockets, the AI Tempest is already carrying them http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_wink.gif <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

You guys get rockets for the Tempest ?? What about LW Panzerblitz rockets for the Fw 190F-8 that has been in the game for over a year or 2 now ??

Jagd <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>
As far as I know, the F-9 is the FW190 that carried Panzerblitz rockets. And I would be the first person to argue for their inclusion...infact I have argued for their inclusion in the past along with a F-9 variant which would be a A-9 conversion. VERY simple but its never happened.

The difference is that the FW190s are Oleg's teams creation and the Tempest V is a third party creation. The Tempest V was equipped and rated with rockets. Their use in combat is apparently nil...but it was fully certified and there are pictures with Tempests during the war with rockets installed on the wings. It does make up for the fact that there will never be a Typhoon in the sim.

Alex, I'd say be very careful about the timeline...make sure Oleg knows whats coming because apparently the cutoff date for acceptance of anything is the "middle of March". We're rushing with the XIV to be done with that too.

p1ngu666
03-08-2005, 01:05 PM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by jagdmailer:
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by Alex_Voicu:
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by lrrp22:
Alex,

Do you mean that Oleg already has the Tempest interior, or that you have a little more work to do before submitting?

Thanks for your hard work in getting the Tempest implemented!
<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

I will send the cockpit model to Oleg when Hammerd is done with the final textures. I don't want to send something that is only half finished.

Regarding the rockets, the AI Tempest is already carrying them http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_wink.gif <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

You guys get rockets for the Tempest ?? What about LW Panzerblitz rockets for the Fw 190F-8 that has been in the game for over a year or 2 now ??

Jagd <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

no one is against panzerblitz, quite the opposite i belive http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-wink.gif

alex, if possible, could u send the rocket rails as a 3dmax file to pingu666 @gmail.com ? i think they was used on the swordfish, so it would save us some time (me and a friend are doing swordfish http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_smile.gifhttp://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_smile.gif )
ill give some things in return, be sure http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-wink.gif

Brain32
03-08-2005, 01:37 PM
Just bumping the topic in hope Oleg will se it.
I would trade half of the already flyable planes in game for Tempest IF I had to.

cygfrain
03-08-2005, 01:49 PM
Thanks Alex_Voicu for all the hard work you have obviously put into the Tempest V http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/25.gif. I look forward flying against the AI version and can't wait to "fly" the flyable version.

Thanks.

ImpStarDuece
03-08-2005, 06:00 PM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by VW-IceFire:
Imp...I'm trying to see what we can do about having a generic western front map so that we can do campaigns like you've suggested. <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

Cool, I'd be seriously pleased with an Antwerp based map as well. It gives the Allies (particularly the Brits and Canadians) a really great little playground with a variety of targets (land and sea based). Its also one of the few areas that aren't on the "BoB proscribed" list.

A generic map would be good though; i've been playing with a few of the online maps for some 'training' style missions; they work reansoably well for a 'some where in Europe' setting. I'm almost itching to see the new maps that Ianboys is going to hit us with. Wondering what the possibilities are.

The more I play with the FMB the more addictive this game gets. To think, as of 6 months ago I had only every played the stock offline campaigns. Now i'm looking at making my own campaign, skinning planes for it and (maybe) building some co-ops to go along with it. I think I may need help!

For me the best thing that came out of PF was the flyable Bostns and Mitchells. 137 and 139 Wing here we come.

VW-IceFire
03-08-2005, 06:21 PM
Agreed...I spent alot of my time making campaigns these days. I've got three in the works:

- F6F5 Marianas on the USS Bunkerhill with VF-18
- La-5FN with the 3rd GvIAP north of Leningrad in 1944
- P-38 with the 9th AF over Normandy after the invasion

p1ngu666
03-08-2005, 06:21 PM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by cygfrain:
Thanks Alex_Voicu for all the hard work you have obviously put into the Tempest V http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/25.gif. I look forward flying against the AI version and can't wait to "fly" the flyable version.

Thanks. <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

yep THANKYOU http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/11.gif http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-happy.gif

ImpStarDuece
03-08-2005, 07:31 PM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by VW-IceFire:
Agreed...I spent alot of my time making campaigns these days. I've got three in the works:

- F6F5 Marianas on the USS Bunkerhill with VF-18
- La-5FN with the 3rd GvIAP north of Leningrad in 1944
- P-38 with the 9th AF over Normandy after the invasion <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>


3 at one time! http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_eek.gif Might stop you getting bored but just one is eating up a good 3 hours a day at the moment for me.

They sound great. I'm not much chop with the Russian birds but if you want a playtester for the P-38 or F6F5 campaign keep me in mind http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_smile.gif.

Would love to see what you are doing for Normandy and the 9th. My own focus is on the 2TAF. This is my first attempt at a campaign and i'm going to be sweating square bullets to make it as good as it can be.

VW-IceFire
03-08-2005, 08:20 PM
Naa doesn't really take me three hours. Well it takes about two to setup a map the way I want it and then I just keep saving and changing stuff as needed. Adding detail to a section of the map as needed as well.

Right now, I'm just making the La-5FN missions about one a night. Takes about an hour to setup and playtest. The scenario I spent about 3-4 hours researching so that I have the basics of the frontline down (and all major dates) and then planning the missions. The La-5 campaign will have 11 missions against the Finnish airforce and some Luftwaffe involvement.

The Hellcat one is done (with 12 missions) but its needing that Jill torpedo bomber for accuracy and I'd prefer to make some balance changes before I send it out. So its waiting for the patch.

The P-38 one is still planning. More ground attack for this campaign.

No601_Zulu
03-18-2005, 06:02 AM
IceFire

Bumped for a good cause. http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/25.gif

Monty_Thrud
03-18-2005, 02:25 PM
PLEASE!...PPPPLLLLLEEEEEAAAASSSEEE!...we need the Spitfire MkXIV...if we get the XIV, i'll shave my testicles...live on the internet http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/blink.gif...*AHEM!*...for charity ...of course

http://premium1.uploadit.org/bsamania//xiv6.bmp

Pretty please...*grovel http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/11.gifgrovel*...i'll do the washing up for a week

VW-IceFire
03-18-2005, 07:52 PM
Nyme is working on or finished completing the cockpit of this plane. Should be good too.

The duo of the Tempest V and Spitfire XIV will be great.

jagdmailer
03-18-2005, 09:53 PM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by Monty_Thrud:
PLEASE!...PPPPLLLLLEEEEEAAAASSSEEE!...we need the Spitfire MkXIV...if we get the XIV, i'll shave my testicles...live on the internet http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/blink.gif...*AHEM!*...for charity ...of course

http://premium1.uploadit.org/bsamania//xiv6.bmp

Pretty please...*grovel http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/11.gifgrovel*...i'll do the washing up for a week <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

Man, that thing is an ugly son of a gun.....Looks fast though with that 5 bladed prop.

Jagd

VW-IceFire
03-18-2005, 10:35 PM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by jagdmailer:
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by Monty_Thrud:
PLEASE!...PPPPLLLLLEEEEEAAAASSSEEE!...we need the Spitfire MkXIV...if we get the XIV, i'll shave my testicles...live on the internet http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/blink.gif...*AHEM!*...for charity ...of course

http://premium1.uploadit.org/bsamania//xiv6.bmp

Pretty please...*grovel http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/11.gifgrovel*...i'll do the washing up for a week <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

Man, that thing is an ugly son of a gun.....Looks fast though with that 5 bladed prop.

Jagd <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>
Really? I think its the best looking of all the Spitfire marks. The five blades is to absorb the power of the Griffon engine...which should be killer on torque...especially for ground handling.

p1ngu666
03-19-2005, 06:34 PM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by jagdmailer:
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by Monty_Thrud:
PLEASE!...PPPPLLLLLEEEEEAAAASSSEEE!...we need the Spitfire MkXIV...if we get the XIV, i'll shave my testicles...live on the internet http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/blink.gif...*AHEM!*...for charity ...of course

http://premium1.uploadit.org/bsamania//xiv6.bmp

Pretty please...*grovel http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/11.gifgrovel*...i'll do the washing up for a week <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

Man, that thing is an ugly son of a gun.....Looks fast though with that 5 bladed prop.

Jagd <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

i like the smoother chin profile, but in not too keen on the power bulges.

mark8 is my favourite merlin spit, looks sleek and just right http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-happy.gif

tempest looks like its bulit to destroy stuff, typhoon too, but only moreso http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/59.gif

jadg, check GD forum, 2 vids ive uploaded, 1 of mossie, and 1 of typhoon and tempest http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-happy.gif

Hammster
03-19-2005, 07:14 PM
Not sure if you guys saw these:

Tempest renders in screenshotspost (http://forums.ubi.com/eve/forums?q=Y&a=tpc&s=400102&f=23110283&m=35010114&p=178)

About 1/3 the way down the page.

VW-IceFire
03-19-2005, 08:13 PM
Didn't see those....excellent!! I can't wait...I can't wait....I can't....you know http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif

goshikisen
03-19-2005, 08:31 PM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by Hammster:
Not sure if you guys saw these:

http://forums.ubi.com/eve/forums?q=Y&a=tpc&s=400102&f=23110283&m=35010114&p=178

About 1/3 the way down the page. <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

Nothing like a couple new Hammerd skins to renew interest in IL2.

Monty_Thrud
03-20-2005, 06:11 AM
jagdmailer
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR> Man, that thing is an ugly son of a gun.....Looks fast though with that 5 bladed prop.

<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/blink.gifAnyone who likes German planes is renowned to be of dubious character and bad taste http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-wink.gif the Spitfire is sheer poetry in motion, in other words.. i love her long time GI, especially the bulges up front http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/heart.gif

p1ngu666
03-20-2005, 07:31 AM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by Hammster:
Not sure if you guys saw these:

http://forums.ubi.com/eve/forums?q=Y&a=tpc&s=400102&f=23110283&m=35010114&p=178

About 1/3 the way down the page. <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/25.gif http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/11.gif

goshikisen
03-20-2005, 07:41 PM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by VW-IceFire:
Didn't see those....excellent!! I can't wait...I can't wait....I can't....you know http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

Nice Clostermann Mk. V in your sig IceFire. I get the impression that you're a Tempest fan. http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_wink.gif

VW-IceFire
03-20-2005, 09:28 PM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by goshikisen:
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by VW-IceFire:
Didn't see those....excellent!! I can't wait...I can't wait....I can't....you know http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

Nice Clostermann Mk. V in your sig IceFire. I get the impression that you're a Tempest fan. http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_wink.gif <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>
No really? http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif My avatar title, graciously added by the admins doesn't give it away at all. I decided I'd make a new sig using Hammerds renders.

I'll have to come back because my current drool bucket is full and I need to get a new one *drools*

SO looking forward to flying this plane.

ImpStarDuece
03-20-2005, 09:34 PM
IceFire, do you have the latest version of Hardballs Aircraft Viewer? Because if you don't there is a nice little suprise for you in it.

Here is a hint; go to the 'H's first http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_smile.gif

VW-IceFire
03-20-2005, 10:52 PM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by ImpStarDuece:
IceFire, do you have the latest version of Hardballs Aircraft Viewer? Because if you don't there is a nice little suprise for you in it.

Here is a hint; go to the 'H's first http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_smile.gif <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>
No, but I'm downloading now ;D

Badsight.
03-20-2005, 11:03 PM
whats the big deal

another "unneeded"

i bet no one uses it ever

so on that basis we can all agree to email oleg requesting he just forget about it

i did my part how about you ?

its not like its a Shinden or anything cool like that

mmmmmmm Shinden **drifts off day-dreaming** . . . .

anyways , it British & you know what they are like , if something needs to be bolted to someting else , you can guarantee they will block access with a firewall or make you drop the whole feckin engine out

not that ive ever had to work on Jags or anything **goestokickanotherholeinthewall& screamabitmorerememberingworkingonmydadscars**

& thats just what they make , i mean have you ever been to england ? no & you dont want . nobody does

so lets just fergedaboudit

(dont forget to email oleg tho)

goshikisen
03-20-2005, 11:09 PM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by VW-IceFire:
SO looking forward to flying this plane. <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

IceFire... have you ever read "My Part of the Sky" by Roland Beaumont? Great Read.

WOLFMondo
03-21-2005, 06:43 AM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by Badsight.:
whats the big deal
<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

11,000lbs of fine British craftmanship!

<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by Badsight.:
another "unneeded"
<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

I need it! You need it, you just haven't realised it yet:P

<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by Badsight.:
i bet no one uses it ever
<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>
*raises hand*
I will!

And the Tempest is way cooler than that Japanese oddball plane.:P

VW-IceFire
03-21-2005, 08:11 AM
Badsight hasn't caught the affliction yet. Soon he will see the ways of the Tempest http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif

goshikisen, no I have not read that. Pierre Closterman yes, but not R. Beaumont yet. I should track it down.

I had a look at Hardballs aircraft viewer. Its great to see it on the list finally. I worry a bit about the numbers stated there (sea level top speed is much too low) but as I have said before, till we actually see it in game I imagine its a moot point. My one worry at the moment is the cannon loadout...they list 150rpg in there (not sure if thats from Hardball's data or from the game data) which is correct if we were talking about after May 1945. Wartime loadout for a Mark V was 200rpg according to several sources. After the war it was 150rpg inner and 160rpg outer. But if its 150 rpg...I guess we'll have to accept it...regardless of correctness or not. At least its not 60 http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif

JG53Frankyboy
03-21-2005, 08:29 AM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by VW-IceFire:
Badsight hasn't caught the affliction yet. Soon he will see the ways of the Tempest http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif

goshikisen, no I have not read that. Pierre Closterman yes, but not R. Beaumont yet. I should track it down.

I had a look at Hardballs aircraft viewer. Its great to see it on the list finally. I worry a bit about the numbers stated there (sea level top speed is much too low) but as I have said before, till we actually see it in game I imagine its a moot point. My one worry at the moment is the cannon loadout...they list 150rpg in there (not sure if thats from Hardball's data or from the game data) which is correct if we were talking about after May 1945. Wartime loadout for a Mark V was 200rpg according to several sources. After the war it was 150rpg inner and 160rpg outer. But if its 150 rpg...I guess we'll have to accept it...regardless of correctness or not. At least its not 60 http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

you know correct ammoloadouts from the beginning is not a strong point of the maddox team http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_frown.gif
so, i would say send them an email with your informations about the Tempest ammo.

WOLFMondo
03-21-2005, 09:15 AM
Makes you wonder where they get there data from since some is fairly common and easy to get hold of. Maybe Oleg has some super secret Russian data on the Tempest...lets hope its not similar to the P47 data Oleg used oncehttp://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_frown.gif

Im slightly concerned we might get a series I FM but the model is of a series II which is the one that saw all the combat.

VW-IceFire
03-21-2005, 09:25 AM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by WOLFMondo:
Makes you wonder where they get there data from since some is fairly common and easy to get hold of. Maybe Oleg has some super secret Russian data on the Tempest...lets hope its not similar to the P47 data Oleg used oncehttp://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_frown.gif

Im slightly concerned we might get a series I FM but the model is of a series II which is the one that saw all the combat. <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>
That would be dorky but entirely possible I imagine. I unfortunately only have the performance specs of the Series I prototype. Does anyone have Series II with a Sabre IIB engine? Hopefully they are also aware of the Mark V hispano cannons.

I'll dig up sources on the ammo loads. Once again, if people have them, send them my way. Ultimately, I love getting my hands on whatever information there is no matter which warbird. I think its fun http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_smile.gif

In any case, the top speed is enourmously low for even a Series I with a Sabre IIA. Maybe secret Russian data http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif

BigKahuna_GS
03-21-2005, 10:08 AM
S!

The Spit 14 and Tempest are great late war aircraft. Because of the copyright problems it looks like the P47M, P47N and F4U-4 will probably never make it in this sim. What a huge loss for US aircraft. These planes were extrodinarily fast and the F4U-4 had it all speed, maneuverability, climb rate and huge payload.

The Allies defenitly need a fast, hard hitting mud mover and the Tempest will do an excellent job at that.

It was one of my favorite planes in EAW.


_____

WOLFMondo
03-21-2005, 10:12 AM
The Hardball viewer shows the top speed as a 80kph to slow at sea level but then its not the final version.

I wonder if the RAF museum at Hendon has the relevent performance data on the series II? What confused me about Tempest V series II performance was when I read the Big Show, Pierre Closterman refers to his second JFE 'Le Grande Charles' as a newer type series II with a newer engine and propeller but his old JFE was a series II, not a series I.

VW-IceFire
03-21-2005, 10:54 AM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by WOLFMondo:
The Hardball viewer shows the top speed as a 80kph to slow at sea level but then its not the final version.

I wonder if the RAF museum at Hendon has the relevent performance data on the series II? What confused me about Tempest V series II performance was when I read the Big Show, Pierre Closterman refers to his second JFE 'Le Grande Charles' as a newer type series II with a newer engine and propeller but his old JFE was a series II, not a series I. <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>
'Le Grande Charles' I think was amongst the smaller number of Series II aircraft that came with the Sabre IIC engine with the highest possible boost settings.

If I were Oleg and a Tempest fanatic like I am I would model two types:
1) Tempest Mark V Series II with Sabre IIB engine (call it Tempest Mark V 1944)
2) Tempest Mark V Series II Late with Sabre IIC engine (call it Tempest Mark V 1945)

There would be no need for a different external model as far as I know, the differences were minor and engine power related. The external model that Alex Voicu made for us is undoubtedly a Series II aircraft. What would be historically inaccurate and disappointing is if they model it according to the Series I aircraft...which as far as I know, only flew anti-V1 missions. These are the ones with the buldges on the wing leading edges for the longer barreled Hispano Mark II. There were 100 of these built. There were 700-800 of the Series II built...all with Hispano Mark V and the vast majority using the Sabre IIB (although as has been pointed out, the last few were with Saber IICs).

Spring tab ailerons (another component of Tempest performance) was a different matter. I hunted for data on these. Turns out (from what I could find), no serial production Tempest that ever had spring tab ailerons. These boosted roll rate by 10dps along the entire range of speeds. From 85dps maximum at 350mph to 95dps maximum at 350mph. So I hope Oleg doesn't model spring tab ailerons because that would also be incorrect.

My wish is for a historically accurate Series II, with the right engine, right guns, right aileron types, and proper top speeds. Nothing more and nothing less.

WOLFMondo
03-21-2005, 11:07 AM
I always though the spring tab ailerons were standard fittings?

p1ngu666
03-21-2005, 11:30 AM
i thoughtso too http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-indifferent.gif

there isnt much tempest and typhoon info out there, compaired to the spit for example, ill look up ammo loads http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-wink.gif

VW-IceFire
03-21-2005, 11:31 AM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by WOLFMondo:
I always though the spring tab ailerons were standard fittings? <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>
Apparently not...I couldn't find a single picture of Tempests with spring tab ailerons.

You can visually tell them apart according to Alex Voicu. Find me pictures of the ailerons on Tempests and I'll identify them http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif

p1ngu666
03-21-2005, 11:33 AM
yep V and VI series had 200rpg, mk2 had162 and 156 outboard

WOLFMondo
03-21-2005, 03:10 PM
You'll have to let me know the difference..my new Tempest DVD should be here tomorrow.http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_smile.gif

VW-IceFire
03-21-2005, 04:24 PM
I'll try and describe it.

(odd image, in Russian!)
http://mkmagazin.almanacwhf.ru/avia/hawker_tempest_3.gif

The aileron, if its spring tabbed, has an extra panel about halfway along the aileron. Right in the middle really. On this one, the slot is right at the inner edge of the aileron. Thats pretty much it.

If Alex pops by, I think it was he who sent me the comparison image. I can't seem to find that right now.

VW-IceFire
03-21-2005, 04:27 PM
On the guns issue...this is by far the best resource:

<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>
Hawker Tempest Mk.V. This one is armed with Hispano Mk.V cannon. Early Tempests had Mk.II cannon, and the longer barrels extended in front of the wing leading edge. [63]

* Four Hispano Mk.V cannon, installed within the wing, with 200 rounds per gun. That was ammunition for 16 seconds.
* Per second 50 rounds were fired, with a total weight of 6.5 kg. Total muzzle energy was 2292 kW.
* This was the definitive armament option for British WWII fighters, although a number of designs and prototypes featured six Hispano cannon. It was also retained by the first generation of jet fighters, becoming a de facto standard in the first year after the war. The exceptions were the USAAF, that continued to rely on the .50, and the USSR, that prefered 23mm and 37mm cannon.
<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>
http://www.geocities.com/CapeCanaveral/Hangar/8217/fgun/fgun-fi.html

Also...on the two variants of the Tempest:
[empest F.Mk V Series 1 This subversion was armed with 4 Ӕ 20 mm Hispano Mk II cannons with slightly protruding barrels.
Number built: 100
Tempest F.Mk V Series 2 This subversion was armed with 4 Ӕ 20 mm Hispano Mk V cannons with shorter barrels, a detachable rear fuselage, smaller main wheels, and other small changes. Early aircraft were powered by 1 Ӕ Napier Sabre IIB, rated at 2,200 hp (1.640 kW), the rest was powered by 1 Ӕ Napier Sabre IIC, rated at 2,260 hp (1.685 kW)
Number built: 705[/quote]
http://www.xs4all.nl/~fbonne/warbirds/ww2htmls/hawktempest.html

Although this site also incorrectly states the post war Mark II armament of 150rpg. Its hard to find good info unfortunately.

WOLFMondo
03-21-2005, 06:08 PM
Did the IIB ones use the 9lbs or the 11lbs boost? Did the IIC ones use the 13lbs boost?

VW-IceFire
03-21-2005, 07:53 PM
Not sure...trying to find information. Unlike the Spitfire and the USAAF birds...there is little information to go on with the Tempest.

Here's the best details I can find.

Boscombe Down A&AEE tests:
http://home.epix.net/~cap14/tp.html

This is unfortunately the third production aircraft, with Mark II cannons (thus with drag creating cannon barrel covers on the wings) and a Sabre IIA. It hardly represents a typical frontline Tempest. Is there a RAF public records archive or the sort that has more information than this?

balrog09
03-21-2005, 09:30 PM
After going through these forums the question still remains is the Tempest going to make it.
This Brute of an aircraft should be in this great game.I have seen the Typhoon and cockpit made up for this sim but never made it in,i have seen some brilliant work on the skins and some battle damaged Tempest shots (Great work from Alex and Hammerd) and only 1 cockpit shot.
This aircraft is the one i'm waiting for, the big beast of the skies over Europe...

Just like to thank everyone who has put up some great info on the Tempest.

http://www.jg11.com/start.htm

VW-IceFire
03-21-2005, 09:33 PM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by balrog09:
After going through these forums the question still remains is the Tempest going to make it.
This Brute of an aircraft should be in this great game.I have seen the Typhoon and cockpit made up for this sim but never made it in,i have seen some brilliant work on the skins and some battle damaged Tempest shots (Great work from Alex and Hammerd) and only 1 cockpit shot.
This aircraft is the one i'm waiting for, the big beast of the skies over Europe...

Just like to thank everyone who has put up some great info on the Tempest.

http://www.jg11.com/start.htm <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>
I've seen alot of cockpit shots actually. They just haven't been posted on the UBI forums.

The Typhoon is another story. There never was a cockpit for it. And the external model was made by a guy who we later found out did not get his models accepted by Oleg. I think there was some gross miscommunications but the end result was that the Typhoon project died. The model did not work with the game technology.

Alex Voicu's model on the other hand has been in development because he's worked to make sure that its going to work with the game engine at top quality. Few of the third party projects have achieved that....very few. Anyways, I'm still crossing my fingers on that point but I'm hopeful that we'l see it.

I just hope they don't flub the implementation...flyable or not...it should be historic.

Badsight.
03-21-2005, 10:15 PM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by WOLFMondo:
I always though the spring tab ailerons were standard fittings? <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>your after a Hawker FURY

just plain outright Nassty

http://www.naval-museum.mb.ca/navalair/hawker_sea_fury.jpg

but thats besides it being another peice of english engineering , sure it goes good , but have you ever tried to work on someting british ?

Badsight.
03-21-2005, 10:23 PM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by WOLFMondo:
And the Tempest is way cooler than that Japanese oddball plane.:P <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>you is lucky we dont have it , Tempest Schmempest no 427 Mph Sea Level would save you from it

its common knowledge that 9 out of 10 english mechanics go barmy within 5 years from frustration

VW-IceFire
03-21-2005, 10:46 PM
Yep, you can see the spring tabs on those planes. It'd be great to have a Korean war sim with those! http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif

Badsight.
03-21-2005, 11:13 PM
http://img204.exs.cx/img204/4915/mig15seafury8gq.jpg

WOLFMondo
03-22-2005, 02:08 AM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by VW-IceFire:
Is there a RAF public records archive or the sort that has more information than this? <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

The information will either be at one of the Imperial War Museum sites or RAF Hendon where lots of this sort of information is kept. Not sure if it is publically available or can be viewed on appointment.

Theres always BAe who own the Hawker name.

WOLFMondo
03-22-2005, 02:10 AM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by Badsight.:

but thats besides it being another peice of english engineering , sure it goes good , but have you ever tried to work on someting british ? <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

That is one confused statement. The English are British.:P

DIRTY-MAC
03-22-2005, 07:53 AM
I think Oleg has RAF papers that indicates
the usage of 13 lb boost in the Tempest
I know someone sent him this but that was
maybe two years ago

What is the Tempest performance in HardBalls aircraft weiwer, and what is incorrect,
By the way didn´t Clostermann talk about an ammo-load of 250 rounds?

WOLFMondo
03-22-2005, 08:02 AM
No, Closterman is quite specific about the Mk V Hispano's in the Tempest V having 800 shells between them, 200 rounds per gun.

The info in the viewer shows the Tempests top speeds at different heights as allot lower in some cases.

VW-IceFire
03-22-2005, 08:18 AM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by DIRTY-MAC:
I think Oleg has RAF papers that indicates
the usage of 13 lb boost in the Tempest
I know someone sent him this but that was
maybe two years ago

What is the Tempest performance in HardBalls aircraft weiwer, and what is incorrect,
By the way didn´t Clostermann talk about an ammo-load of 250 rounds? <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>
Well there's three points of Hardballs viewer that appear to be incorrect (I'm also open to be proven wrong but I don't think I am).

Just to reiterate:
1) Engine HP is listed at 2180 which means its a Sabre IIA. But the Sabre IIA was used only in the first 100 aircraft known as Series 1. The aircraft 3D model is a Series 2 which should have either the Sabre IIB or Sabre IIC engine. The HP ratings of those second two go upto 2400hp.

2) Maximum top speed at sea level is listed at 537kph. Thats 333mph. The chart I have is for a Sabre IIA equipped aircraft (which BTW apparently never reached 9lbs of boost) and the maximum sea level speed is 376mph. So, for the slowest, lowest boosted Tempest there is...this number is 50mph lower.

3) Armament section lists the aircraft as having 4 20mm cannons with 150rpg each. This is true of the Mark II Tempest...as Pingu has pointed out and as backed up by dairys of Pierre Closterman and Roland Beaumont, the wartime Tempest V's used 200rpg. Also, hopefully they know that Series II Tempests, the one modeled, use short barrel Hispano Mark V cannons and not long barrel Mark II cannons. The Mark V trades some of the kinetic power in muzzle velocity with a higher fire rate. Arguably, the Mark V Hispano is the most powerful 20mm cannon of World War II. While the MG151/20 and the Mark II should be in striking distance of each other, the Mark V is a cut above and was installed on 700 of 800 Tempest Vs (as well as some Seafire IIIs and most or all Meteor jet fighters).

WOLFMondo
03-22-2005, 10:32 AM
Should be said though the Series I was still bloody fast under 20,000ft. 411mph at 6500ft and 438mph at 17,500ft is no small feat.

BlackStar2000
03-22-2005, 11:13 AM
Justice Must be made, Tempest MUST get in game flyable

DIRTY-MAC
03-22-2005, 12:53 PM
Isn´t the emergency HP of the Sabre IIB and Sabre IIC was around or over 3000hp?
I have a book about the sabre engines
I will look it up

Nubarus
03-22-2005, 01:41 PM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by VW-IceFire:
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by DIRTY-MAC:
I think Oleg has RAF papers that indicates
the usage of 13 lb boost in the Tempest
I know someone sent him this but that was
maybe two years ago

What is the Tempest performance in HardBalls aircraft weiwer, and what is incorrect,
By the way didn´t Clostermann talk about an ammo-load of 250 rounds? <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>
Well there's three points of Hardballs viewer that appear to be incorrect (I'm also open to be proven wrong but I don't think I am).

Just to reiterate:
1) Engine HP is listed at 2180 which means its a Sabre IIA. But the Sabre IIA was used only in the first 100 aircraft known as Series 1. The aircraft 3D model is a Series 2 which should have either the Sabre IIB or Sabre IIC engine. The HP ratings of those second two go upto 2400hp.

2) Maximum top speed at sea level is listed at 537kph. Thats 333mph. The chart I have is for a Sabre IIA equipped aircraft (which BTW apparently never reached 9lbs of boost) and the maximum sea level speed is 376mph. So, for the slowest, lowest boosted Tempest there is...this number is 50mph lower.

3) Armament section lists the aircraft as having 4 20mm cannons with 150rpg each. This is true of the Mark II Tempest...as Pingu has pointed out and as backed up by dairys of Pierre Closterman and Roland Beaumont, the wartime Tempest V's used 200rpg. Also, hopefully they know that Series II Tempests, the one modeled, use short barrel Hispano Mark V cannons and not long barrel Mark II cannons. The Mark V trades some of the kinetic power in muzzle velocity with a higher fire rate. Arguably, the Mark V Hispano is the most powerful 20mm cannon of World War II. While the MG151/20 and the Mark II should be in striking distance of each other, the Mark V is a cut above and was installed on 700 of 800 Tempest Vs (as well as some Seafire IIIs and most or all Meteor jet fighters). <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

Eh IceFire,

Did you send this info to Oleg yet?

It would be so much better if it get's made right the first time around instead of having to wait for another patch.

VW-IceFire
03-22-2005, 07:22 PM
See my trouble is that I want to substantiate it as much as possible. I have all sorts of information, and lots of stuff that I've assimilated into my brain. But a good amount of it is from web sources.

I'm still a student for another 2 months and my university training is getting the better of me. I want to have solid, reputable, and reliable sources to be totally sure that when I present Oleg with a case, I can really hammer the point home. I tried and somewhat succeeded with the RAF markings issues...although nothing really happened in the end (although the Corsair Mark I through IV and the Tempest looks to have it painted on with the proper colors!).

I guess I can give it a try. The other thing is that, although I'm already contradicting myself and having a bit of a hyperventilation here (http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_smile.gif), I don't want to be accused of unncessarily stiring the pot or complaining because my favorite fighter isn't uber.

Thats not what I want...the Tempest is uber on its own. http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif I just want to see it represented in its most common form.

Perhaps I'll toss an e-mail over.

Badsight.
03-22-2005, 10:30 PM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by WOLFMondo:
That is one confused statement. The English are British.:P <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>eh ? no kidding

besides that , have you ?

can you say "hair pulling" ? or "teeth gnashing" ?

jeanba2
03-23-2005, 02:09 AM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by VW-IceFire:

Well there's three points of Hardballs viewer that appear to be incorrect (I'm also open to be proven wrong but I don't think I am).

Just to reiterate:
1) Engine HP is listed at 2180 which means its a Sabre IIA. But the Sabre IIA was used only in the first 100 aircraft known as Series 1. The aircraft 3D model is a Series 2 which should have either the Sabre IIB or Sabre IIC engine. The HP ratings of those second two go upto 2400hp.

2) Maximum top speed at sea level is listed at 537kph. Thats 333mph. The chart I have is for a Sabre IIA equipped aircraft (which BTW apparently never reached 9lbs of boost) and the maximum sea level speed is 376mph. So, for the slowest, lowest boosted Tempest there is...this number is 50mph lower.

<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>
Just one question out of curiosity : how this version compares to late Typhoon version ?
At low altitude, they seem to be very close to each others ?

WOLFMondo
03-23-2005, 03:46 AM
The Typhoons and Tempests used the same engines but the Tempests aerodynamics were in a different league to the Typhoons. I guess there was less drag so it got to its top speeds quicker, could maintain the speed more through manouvers and regain it quicker, it probably gained speed in a dive allot quicker and its zoom climb was probably superior (two things it was noted for).

I get the impression while the Typhoon and Tempest were not the easiest of planes to fly (Tempest pilots were required to have a tour on Typhoons or Spitfires first) that the Typhoon wasn't a particularly nice plane to fly because of its weight, technical problems and heavy handling whereas the Tempest was a nicer plane to fly as it was allot more responsive and manouverable, especially in a roll but given most of the pilot who flew them and survived (I don't know the exact loss rates but loosing Tempests to flak was very common) were already veteran fighter pilots its hard to say.

VW-IceFire
03-23-2005, 08:29 AM
I'll have to check on the Typhoons sea level speeds but the value is too low for a Typhoon as well.

The Tempest and Typhoon had similar low altitude performance...but the Tempests superior aerodynamics (particularly the laminar flow wings) gave it a far superior altitude advantage that the Typhoon didn't have. Also, the Tempets is regarded as having the best or second best dive speed of any WWII fighter. Apparently its better than the Mustang which is apparently better than the Thunderbolt. Although the Tempest and Thunderbolt have a big advantage over the Mustang in that they are tougher aircraft structurally.

WOLFMondo is also right. Tempest pilots were supposed to have one tour under their belts before flying with Tempest squadrons. Losses due to flak were higher than losses to anything else. Particularly chilling for me was the mention in Pierre Clostermans book where he or another noticed a thin streak of oil coming from a fellow Tempests radiator. This was caused by some hits from flak...suddenly the aircraft exploded and disintegrated. No warning.

Not a particularly forgiving aircraft in a stall either. I.e. the Tempest that got into a turn fight with a Ta-152H at low level and stalled into the ground trying to catch him in a turn.

I'm looking forward to mastering all of these things http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_smile.gif

jeanba2
03-23-2005, 09:00 AM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by VW-IceFire:
I'll have to check on the Typhoons sea level speeds but the value is too low for a Typhoon as well.

I'm looking forward to mastering all of these things http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_smile.gif <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>
Thank you, it is very interesting, the more, the better http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_wink.gif

DIRTY-MAC
03-23-2005, 09:18 AM
IceFire
What does Clostermann say about
the Performance of the Tempest in
"the Big Show"?
I dont have my book here,

hare is a quote from the Book when he is using the emergency power:


Engine temperature 125?, oil pressure down to the fifty five. Regretfully I opened the radiator and closed the throttle to 3500 revs. Even then I went on gaining on the Focke-Wulf, who was probably making for home, his magazines empty. We were now over Bremen, and he was still a thousand yards ahead. This businness might take me rather far; I closed the radiator again and opened the throttle flet out. My "Grand Charles" responded at once. We were now over the first docks of the Weser. We roared between the shattered remains of the big transporter bridge. On either side rose the charred hulks of the ware-houses; the few cranes and derricks still erect rose uo like black skelettons. Suddenly a salvo of Flak shelles blossomed beetween theFocke-Wulf and me - brief white flashes, mingled with brown balls which passed by either side of me. More kept appearing miracously out of the void. The automatic flak now chimed in and the orange glow of the tracers was reflected in the black oily water, from wich overturned hulk emerged, like enormous stranded whales. I concentrated on not losing sight of my Focke-Wulf - lukely he was silhouetted against the dying glow of the sky. For a moment the Flak redoubled in intensity. There was a sudden Clang behind my back - then suddenly the tracers were snuffed out and diseappeared... A bit suspicious ! A glance behind me explained this curious phenomenon : on my tail six Focke-Wulfs in perfect close echelon formation - exhaust white hot -pursuing me at full throttle. With one movement I broke the metal thread to enable me to go to "emergency" and shoved the throttle lever right forward. It was the first time I had occasion to use it on Tempest. The effect was extraordinaire and immediate. The aircraft litteraly bounded forward with a roar like a furnace under pressure. Within a few seconds I was doing 490 m.p.h by the air speed indicator and I simultaneously caught up my quarry and left my pursuers standing. I had soon reduced the distance to less than 200 yards. Although in this darkness my gun sight rather dazzled me, I had him plumb in the middle and I fired two long, deliberate bursts. The Focke-Wulf oscillated and crashed on its belly in a marshy field, thowing up a shower of mud. He miracously did not overturn. Whithout losing anytime I climbed vertically toward the clouds and righted myself to face the others. They had vanished in the shadows. They must have turned about and left their comrade to this fate. I flew back over the Focke-Wulf I shot down. The pilot was limpimg off, dragging his parachutte an dquite dazed by the shock. I besparred the remains of his machine with shells and they caught fire at once.
That made two !

Extract of "flames in the dusk"

stathem
03-23-2005, 02:37 PM
Wow.

Thanks for that, I really must look that book up quite soon.

VW-IceFire
03-23-2005, 05:33 PM
Best WWII diary book that I've read so far. Closterman doesn't beat around the bush...lots of people never come back, he has a whole bunch of very close scrapes, and so on.

As I can remember, he flies the Spitfire IX (an LF model just like in game), a Spitfire LF V with clipped wings, a Spitfire VI high alititude, once in a Typhoon for a test flight, and then a bunch in a Tempest V. Both of his Tempests were Series II models...one was probably with a Sabre IIB engine and the other with a Sabre IIC engine ("Le Grande Charles")

Bull_dog_
03-23-2005, 06:47 PM
So back to the original question...there is no doubt in my mind the Tempest is in the patch...the only question is...will it be flyable?

jagdmailer
03-23-2005, 07:41 PM
Probably not flyable...but that is more than OK with me - I just need them as targets for my LW BoE dynamic fighter campaigns.

Jagd

VW-IceFire
03-23-2005, 08:15 PM
Why do you say that?

Reading Alex Voicu's last post here...cockpit was on its way. The last screen captures shows a fully finished cockpit that was being worked over in finishing detail.

If we don't get it flyable now...I highly doubt it'll ever be. That'd be a shame.

p1ngu666
03-23-2005, 08:22 PM
takes time to put them ingame, the cockpit in this case as the external is already in from what ive seen.

they might turn out tobe rather scary targets too jagd http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-wink.gif

i also think u should try out some of the non lw planes in the game, your really missing some sweet planes, ki43 for example http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-happy.gif

goshikisen
03-23-2005, 08:27 PM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by VW-IceFire:
If we don't get it flyable now...I highly doubt it'll ever be. That'd be a shame. <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

This aircraft has been in development too long (it was first seen in a Dev. Update in Nov. 2003) for it not to make Flyable. As you say... it'd be a shame if the cockpit didn't see the light of day.

jagdmailer
03-23-2005, 11:21 PM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by VW-IceFire:
Why do you say that?

Reading Alex Voicu's last post here...cockpit was on its way. The last screen captures shows a fully finished cockpit that was being worked over in finishing detail.

If we don't get it flyable now...I highly doubt it'll ever be. That'd be a shame. <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

I only said that because the prior posted asked if it will be flyable in next patch and from what some people in the know said, it will be only AI. Flyable or not flyable does not make any difference with me as I only need it as AI target. The more targets, the merrier. Too bad we won't get some A-20Cs, A-20Ks and B-26s.

Out of the allied stuff, I only flew breifly the P-40E & P-51D for the kick of it, and perhaps P-47D & A-20 once. I have not tried most of the Russian paper birds either.

For some reason, I personally find unethical to fly any other than Axis. I fly mostly German, Hungarian and sometime Finland. Cannot wait for the Italian birds. It's just me but that is the way it is.

Cheers,

Jagd

WOLFMondo
03-24-2005, 02:20 AM
Unethical? Odd choice of words.

VW-IceFire
03-24-2005, 06:30 AM
See I'm rooting for every plane to be flyable and I indeed do fly every plane. I want them to be more than just targets.

People in the know? You mean the plane list released by Oleg about a month ago? Things change quickly...we'll see.

Aaron_GT
03-24-2005, 07:26 AM
Typically the Tempest V is quoted as 392mph at sea level, 442 at about 20,000 ft (from memory), for series II, with AFAIK, +9 boost. The sea level speed didn't increase very much with +11 boost (405 or thereabouts). The P51 got a better improvement with increased boosts (anything up to 405 at SL for a P51C at +25 boost) but was slower than the Tempest V at lower 'standard' boosts (depends what you mean by standard, of course).

Aaron_GT
03-24-2005, 07:28 AM
"I get the impression while the Typhoon and Tempest were not the easiest of planes to fly"

The Tempest was reputedly easier than the Typhoon (improved visibilty for one thing). I think the restriction was as much that the Typhoon and Tempest required BnZ tactics and often operated on low level strike missions into heavy flak and that required skilled pilots and ones that had proved that they could remain resolute in the face of such AAA.

MEGILE
03-24-2005, 07:45 AM
Unethical? Hmm English must not be your first language, because surely no virtual pilot could truly believe it to be unethical to fly other planes. http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/354.gif

WOLFMondo
03-24-2005, 08:28 AM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by Aaron_GT:
"I get the impression while the Typhoon and Tempest were not the easiest of planes to fly"

The Tempest was reputedly easier than the Typhoon (improved visibilty for one thing). I think the restriction was as much that the Typhoon and Tempest required BnZ tactics and often operated on low level strike missions into heavy flak and that required skilled pilots and ones that had proved that they could remain resolute in the face of such AAA. <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

From the stories and pilot accounts I've read of Tempest and Typhoon pilots, skill was important but a large dose of luck was handy too.

I certainly wouldn't of wanted to be a Tempest pilot considering the task they were given, the locations they flew in and the height they flew at.

jagdmailer
03-24-2005, 08:30 AM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by Megile:
Unethical? Hmm English must not be your first language, because surely no virtual pilot could truly believe it to be unethical to fly other planes. http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/354.gif <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

That is indeed the way it is. To each is own I guess.

Anyhow, this thread is about Tempest and I will be glad to see it wether it is AI or flyable in the end. That is all I care about.

Jagd

p1ngu666
03-24-2005, 08:51 AM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by jagdmailer:
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by VW-IceFire:
Why do you say that?

Reading Alex Voicu's last post here...cockpit was on its way. The last screen captures shows a fully finished cockpit that was being worked over in finishing detail.

If we don't get it flyable now...I highly doubt it'll ever be. That'd be a shame. <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

I only said that because the prior posted asked if it will be flyable in next patch and from what some people in the know said, it will be only AI. Flyable or not flyable does not make any difference with me as I only need it as AI target. The more targets, the merrier. Too bad we won't get some A-20Cs, A-20Ks and B-26s.

Out of the allied stuff, I only flew breifly the P-40E & P-51D for the kick of it, and perhaps P-47D & A-20 once. I have not tried most of the Russian paper birds either.

For some reason, I personally find unethical to fly any other than Axis. I fly mostly German, Hungarian and sometime Finland. Cannot wait for the Italian birds. It's just me but that is the way it is.

Cheers,

Jagd <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/10.gifki43 is axis plane http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/10.gif

cmon everyone, lets get jadg to fly a ki43 http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-happy.gif
ki43 is a real http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-very-happy.gif plane, be sure http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-wink.gif

lrrp22
03-24-2005, 09:21 AM
?? Care to elaborate?

<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by jagdmailer:

That is indeed the way it is. To each is own I guess.


Jagd <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

HayateAce
03-24-2005, 12:01 PM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by jagdmailer:

For some reason, I personally find unethical to fly any other than Axis. I fly mostly German, Hungarian and sometime Finland. Cannot wait for the Italian birds. It's just me but that is the way it is.

Cheers,

Jagd <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

Wow, what a statement.

You want this to go easy, or hard?

Let's begin with the source of labor that may have stood at a bench building your beloved db605. Maybe that poor soul wasn't there by his/or own will?

k5054
03-24-2005, 04:37 PM
Tempest stats....during WW2, 124 lost due to accident, 87 to flak, 25 to enemy a/c (23 of then to 109s and 190s, 2 other) and 5 missing. Claims were around 240.

586 (approx) typhoons were lost to flak, 82 to a/c and 84 missing against 246 claims. The 720 accidents include 4 lost to US a/c.

DarthBane_
03-24-2005, 06:13 PM
Indeed it will be a nice chew for 262. With mosquito as foremeal. Nice if it commes in patch (flyable), but not nerely nice as if we get DO335 flyable.

p1ngu666
03-24-2005, 08:42 PM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by k5054:
Tempest stats....during WW2, 124 lost due to accident, 87 to flak, 25 to enemy a/c (23 of then to 109s and 190s, 2 other) and 5 missing. Claims were around 240.

586 (approx) typhoons were lost to flak, 82 to a/c and 84 missing against 246 claims. The 720 accidents include 4 lost to US a/c. <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

interesting, flak way more dangous than the luftwaffe http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-surprised.gif

i guess the flak at end of the war extremely heavy, with it all condensed in germany, and i bet it was what the troops took when u was reatreating

Badsight.
03-25-2005, 04:58 AM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by DarthBane_:
Indeed it will be a nice chew for 262. <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>i just bet the Tempest , if it has its proper Hp & Speed , will waste 262s

WOLFMondo
03-25-2005, 05:57 AM
That comes down to the pilot but the Tempest V is the best tool for the job.

jagdmailer
03-25-2005, 10:47 AM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by Badsight.:
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by DarthBane_:
Indeed it will be a nice chew for 262. <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>i just bet the Tempest , if it has its proper Hp & Speed , will waste 262s <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

I just need it as target.

Jagd

p1ngu666
03-25-2005, 12:31 PM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by jagdmailer:
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by Badsight.:
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by DarthBane_:
Indeed it will be a nice chew for 262. <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>i just bet the Tempest , if it has its proper Hp & Speed , will waste 262s <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

I just need it as target.

Jagd <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

if u saw one irl, ud want to fly it http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-wink.gif

lrrp22
03-25-2005, 12:59 PM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by p1ngu666:
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by jagdmailer:
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by Badsight.:
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by DarthBane_:
Indeed it will be a nice chew for 262. <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>i just bet the Tempest , if it has its proper Hp & Speed , will waste 262s <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

I just need it as target.

Jagd <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

if u saw one irl, ud want to fly it http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-wink.gif <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

But that would be unethical! http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-wink.gif

p1ngu666
03-25-2005, 01:13 PM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by lrrp22:
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by p1ngu666:
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by jagdmailer:
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by Badsight.:
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by DarthBane_:
Indeed it will be a nice chew for 262. <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>i just bet the Tempest , if it has its proper Hp & Speed , will waste 262s <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

I just need it as target.

Jagd <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

if u saw one irl, ud want to fly it http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-wink.gif <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

But that would be unethical! http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-wink.gif <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

true, tempest is 2nd only to typhoon, in badassness http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-happy.gif

jagdmailer
03-25-2005, 01:52 PM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by p1ngu666:
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by lrrp22:
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by p1ngu666:
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by jagdmailer:
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by Badsight.:
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by DarthBane_:
Indeed it will be a nice chew for 262. <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>i just bet the Tempest , if it has its proper Hp & Speed , will waste 262s <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

I just need it as target.

Jagd <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

if u saw one irl, ud want to fly it http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-wink.gif <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

But that would be unethical! http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-wink.gif <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

true, tempest is 2nd only to typhoon, in badassness http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-happy.gif <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

targets.

Jagd

Badsight.
03-25-2005, 02:57 PM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by WOLFMondo:
That comes down to the pilot but the Tempest V is the best tool for the job. <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>im guessing the roll rate & turn rates are going to be fairly close

only thing is the Tempest , if it has its proper Hp , should waste the Schwalb in 200 - 450 Kmh accelleration , oh so criticall if you is in trouble

i bet they are going to make for a good match at any rate

p1ngu666
03-25-2005, 03:38 PM
think tempest was excellent at high speeds, which is handy as it tended to inhabit the highspeed range http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-happy.gif

Aaron_GT
03-25-2005, 05:43 PM
"think tempest was excellent at high speeds, which is handy as it tended to inhabit the highspeed range"

Roll rate at high speed was pretty much the same as the Mustang. turn a bit worse (but turning was going out of fashion) and with a much more powerful armament. The Mustang was cleared for more ordnance carrying, but it might have been that the RAF was being a bit conservative - after all the Tempest V was cleared for rockets but never carried them during WW2 even though the Typhoon used them extensively.

Badsight.
03-25-2005, 06:50 PM
the Schwalb is a High-Speed-Dream

dont think the advantage for the Tempest lies over 500 Kph , but under 500 Kph

lrrp22
03-25-2005, 08:28 PM
Badsight,

The 262's high speed *was* the dream. It seems its high-speed roll and turn would be poor- but at 540 mph in level flight, it didn't need to turn or roll very well!

<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by Badsight.:
the Schwalb is a High-Speed-Dream

dont think the advantage for the Tempest lies over 500 Kph , but under 500 Kph <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

p1ngu666
03-26-2005, 03:27 AM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by Aaron_GT:
"think tempest was excellent at high speeds, which is handy as it tended to inhabit the highspeed range"

Roll rate at high speed was pretty much the same as the Mustang. turn a bit worse (but turning was going out of fashion) and with a much more powerful armament. The Mustang was cleared for more ordnance carrying, but it might have been that the RAF was being a bit conservative - after all the Tempest V was cleared for rockets but never carried them during WW2 even though the Typhoon used them extensively. <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

thought they both took 2 1000lb bombs, or rockets?

badsight, u are probably right vs 262, but i think typhoon and tempest was always very fast at low alt http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-happy.gif

Badsight.
03-26-2005, 04:18 AM
never said it wasnt , its a total scorcher at low alt , & up to 500 i think it will best the Schwalb

but in FB the 262 is a high speed dream machine (i aint referring to the simple fact that it goes fast here)

VW-IceFire
03-26-2005, 08:18 AM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by Aaron_GT:
"think tempest was excellent at high speeds, which is handy as it tended to inhabit the highspeed range"

Roll rate at high speed was pretty much the same as the Mustang. turn a bit worse (but turning was going out of fashion) and with a much more powerful armament. The Mustang was cleared for more ordnance carrying, but it might have been that the RAF was being a bit conservative - after all the Tempest V was cleared for rockets but never carried them during WW2 even though the Typhoon used them extensively. <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>
How much more was the Mustang cleared for?

Typhoon was cleared for upto 2000lbs of bombs or 8 60lb rockets. Thats quite a bit. Same as the Typhoon.

Handling for the Tempest is probably similar to the Mustang. Highest roll rate at 350mph, best turn at a similar speed, average to good turn for short periods of time.

DIRTY-MAC
03-26-2005, 08:28 AM
Does anyone have the quotes on the Tempests performance by Clostermann when he talkes about its speed at different HP inputs?

Aaron_GT
03-26-2005, 08:40 AM
"thought they both took 2 1000lb bombs, or rockets?"

Cleared for rockets, but from everything I have read, rockets were never carried in WW2.

IceFire wrote:
"How much more was the Mustang cleared for?"

A greater variety of ordnance was carried - e.g. the rockets. Same maximum external load, though (2000lb) during WW2. They way I phrased it before was a bit ambiguous, sorry.

VW-IceFire
03-26-2005, 11:20 AM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by Aaron_GT:
"thought they both took 2 1000lb bombs, or rockets?"

Cleared for rockets, but from everything I have read, rockets were never carried in WW2.

IceFire wrote:
"How much more was the Mustang cleared for?"

A greater variety of ordnance was carried - e.g. the rockets. Same maximum external load, though (2000lb) during WW2. They way I phrased it before was a bit ambiguous, sorry. <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>
Yep, cleared but never used them. There was a shortage of rockets I think and the Typhoon squadrons had the priority seeing as they were the primary ground pounders. The Tempests were more capable fighters and were used in that role instead.

WOLFMondo
03-26-2005, 01:52 PM
Im not sure how much sense it would make to use the Tempest as a rocket or bomb platform when they had Beaufighters, Typhoons, Mosquito's, B25's, A20's etc that could all take rockets or bombs and there were thousands of Spitfire IX's that could be bombed up yet none of these could take on the Luftwaffe at low altitudes like the Tempest could.

VW-IceFire
03-26-2005, 02:47 PM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by WOLFMondo:
Im not sure how much sense it would make to use the Tempest as a rocket or bomb platform when they had Beaufighters, Typhoons, Mosquito's, B25's, A20's etc that could all take rockets or bombs and there were thousands of Spitfire IX's that could be bombed up yet none of these could take on the Luftwaffe at low altitudes like the Tempest could. <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>
I think the idea was that, once they ran out of Typhoons, the Tempests would take on the rocket roll. Of course the war ended quicker than that.

WOLFMondo
03-26-2005, 02:53 PM
Did Typhoon production finish up before the end of the war then? I thought they built them right the way up until VJ day then scrapped them after that in favour of the Tempest II's and Seafury development.

No doubt the Tempest could any thing the Typhoon could do and better but the production lines were already running, changing over machinery and retooling would take weeks.

Badsight.
03-26-2005, 03:09 PM
wether it was used for much rocket action is moot

were getting it

http://img76.exs.cx/img76/5683/tempest089tr.jpg

p1ngu666
03-26-2005, 03:49 PM
one of the things im worried about, is how itll sound, touching 4000rpm and all http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-surprised.gif

XIV doesnt have that problem, 2750rpm was max i think http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-happy.gif

stathem
03-26-2005, 03:51 PM
4k? nice.

What Capacity was the Sabre?

p1ngu666
03-26-2005, 04:04 PM
36ishlitres i think

VW-IceFire
03-26-2005, 04:07 PM
Badsight...it'll make a good substitude Typhoon for the Normandy map.

p1ngu666
03-26-2005, 04:21 PM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by VW-IceFire:
Badsight...it'll make a good substitude Typhoon for the Normandy map. <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

i think itll look most magestic, banking away with emputy rocket rails, over the quickly rising smoke of burning tanks and lorries http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-happy.gif

goshikisen
03-26-2005, 05:03 PM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by Badsight.:
wether it was used for much rocket action is moot

were getting it

http://img76.exs.cx/img76/5683/tempest089tr.jpg <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

What a beast of an aircraft... it leaves you wondering why there are so few of the Mk. V left today today. With 900 or so built you'd have thought someone would have had the forethought to put a few of them aside. Not as glamorous as a Spitfire I suppose... more of a workhorse.

Anybody seen the Tempest at Hendon? Too bad the only Mk. V left has a garish target towing scheme.

Regards, Goshikisen.

WOLFMondo
03-27-2005, 04:29 AM
I've seen that Mk V, shame its in those colours but it is in there milestones of flight collection along with the 262, Sopwith Camel, 109G and Mosquito etc. There was a guy who was rebuilding and restoring one to fly but said he needed 3 spare Sabres.

I think allot of them were scrapped in favour of the MkII's because the Sabre engines required allot of maintenance and care and Hawker always favoured the Centaurus over the Sabre anyway.

WOLFMondo
03-27-2005, 04:35 AM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by p1ngu666:
36ishlitres i think <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

36.65http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_smile.gif

http://www.enginehistory.org/Gallery/JimBuckel/Napier%20Sabre%20VII%2031.JPG

stathem
03-27-2005, 08:22 AM
Now thats an engine!

Must be quite a short stroke to rev so high.

Edit - ah, 24 cyl? small pots then.

p1ngu666
03-27-2005, 09:39 AM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by stathem:
Now thats an engine!

Must be quite a short stroke to rev so high.

Edit - ah, 24 cyl? small pots then. <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

think it was

and they scrapped tons of planes, like theres only 1 typhoon left, no hornet's http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-sad.gif

http://premium1.uploadit.org/pingu666/madengine.jpg

came before sabre in tiffy and tempest
22litres i think, 4200 rpm, 24 cylinder H...

AIRCOOLED!!!!

miricle it worked at all http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gifhttp://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif

VW-IceFire
03-27-2005, 12:33 PM
Man that sabre is huge!

Sir-Tiedeman
03-27-2005, 01:15 PM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by VW-IceFire:
Man that sabre is huge! <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>



So is my jhonson http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-very-happy.gif

p1ngu666
03-27-2005, 01:32 PM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by VW-IceFire:
Man that sabre is huge! <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

http://premium1.uploadit.org/pingu666/pinguandnapire.jpg

me and the one ton monster http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_smile.gif

Sir-Tiedeman
03-27-2005, 01:36 PM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by p1ngu666:
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by VW-IceFire:
Man that sabre is huge! <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

http://premium1.uploadit.org/pingu666/pinguandnapire.jpg

me and the one ton monster http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_smile.gif <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>



Are you blind?
Or limp?


that is a cane, is it not?
http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_rolleyes.gif


mant questions still unawnsered

p1ngu666
03-27-2005, 02:59 PM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by Sir-Tiedeman:
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by p1ngu666:
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by VW-IceFire:
Man that sabre is huge! <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

http://premium1.uploadit.org/pingu666/pinguandnapire.jpg

me and the one ton monster http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_smile.gif <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>



Are you blind?
Or limp?


that is a cane, is it not?
http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_rolleyes.gif


mant questions still unawnsered <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

naw, its a monopod for camera, helps keep it still. alot of museums arent that well lit http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_frown.gif
BOB hanger at hendon is dark, a romantic evening dark http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-indifferent.gif

DIRTY-MAC
03-27-2005, 07:28 PM
OK http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-indifferent.gif
I get no responce.
Nobody seems to take notice of my posts... http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-sad.gif
well....anyway I hope to see the tempest
flyable in the game, http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/25.gif
Thanks for me and I will not trouble you with any further posts. Bye http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-sad.gif

p1ngu666
03-27-2005, 09:56 PM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by DIRTY-MAC:
OK http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-indifferent.gif
I get no responce.
Nobody seems to take notice of my posts... http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-sad.gif
well....anyway I hope to see the tempest
flyable in the game, http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/25.gif
Thanks for me and I will not trouble you with any further posts. Bye http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-sad.gif <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

well, we may just not of had that quote handy http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-indifferent.gif
ive never read the big show http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-sad.gif

ppl still ignore me so dont worry http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-wink.gif

VW-IceFire
03-27-2005, 10:36 PM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by DIRTY-MAC:
OK http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-indifferent.gif
I get no responce.
Nobody seems to take notice of my posts... http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-sad.gif
well....anyway I hope to see the tempest
flyable in the game, http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/25.gif
Thanks for me and I will not trouble you with any further posts. Bye http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-sad.gif <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>
I thought you were being rhetorical...sorry. Take a bit much to type out the big long quote unfortunately.

WOLFMondo
03-30-2005, 03:40 AM
Got my Tempest DVD.

Something interesting from the point of view of what weapons they were cleared to carry...both the Typhoon and Tempest were cleared to use Napalm and theres video on the DVD of both of them in trails dropping napalm cannisters as well as rockets and bombs.

Something else pilots mentioned was the extremely sensitive ailerons and stiff but effective elevators.

No601_Zulu