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VernPellerin
05-22-2005, 09:09 PM
(Non-realism related) SUGGESTION:

Can we have an OPTION for Un-limited bullets while STILL having Limited bombs/rocket/torpedos?

I don't enjoy having unlimited bombs/rockets/torpedos, but I absolutely *LOVE* having unlimited bullets.

TIA.

-Vern.

VernPellerin
05-22-2005, 09:09 PM
(Non-realism related) SUGGESTION:

Can we have an OPTION for Un-limited bullets while STILL having Limited bombs/rocket/torpedos?

I don't enjoy having unlimited bombs/rockets/torpedos, but I absolutely *LOVE* having unlimited bullets.

TIA.

-Vern.

Finkeren
05-22-2005, 11:50 PM
PUH - LEASE man.
Either you fly with realistic ammo or unrealistic. You can't do both.
I don't see how unlimited bullets is sort of 'better' than unlimited bombs, it's exactly as unrealistic.
I only learned to aim my guns right (yes it IS hard in this game) when I switched to limited ammo, it's the only way to become a better marksman.
Oh and BTW: If you haven't tried the original (un-patched) IL2, try it out. Talk about hard to get a kill, huh?
Finaly: I don't want to flame you. There is nothing wrong with flying unlimited. Sometimes I set up myself in a dogfight against 10 or so opponents with unlimited ammo just to see how long I last.

DayGlow
05-23-2005, 08:55 AM
I would agree that unlimited gun ammo would be nice.

Love how people tell you how you should play your game. I know only real men play full real, but some of us just don't have time, k?

For SP it is very hard to rely on the AI to do anything, so often you are doing everything to win the fight. That means you need more ammo. Deal with it.

VOL_Hans
05-23-2005, 08:59 AM
There are a few things that could be done for limited/unlimited ammunition, this is just one idea.

To help players with unlimited ammo understand how much they are shooting, perhaps the counters could be set so that they wind down like normal instead of showing empty. Perhaps an option for a double ammunition load could be added as well? I remember when I first got into it in the origional IL-2, limited ammo made it almost impossible to get kills (I was flying the F-2 as well) and unlimited ammo made it too arcadeish...-

thefruitbat
05-23-2005, 09:11 AM
i agree that it would be good if they split it into two toggles. Unlimmited ordance, unlimmited ammo. That way you can fly ofline jabo campagnes, and still shoot down 5 planeshttp://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_smile.gif

i like flying with unlimmited ammo when theres loads of targets around, dont like it so much with a 500kg bomb underneath.
so i always end up flying jabo limited, and sigh everytime i have to turn for home

jagdmailer
05-23-2005, 09:18 AM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by thefruitbat:
i agree that it would be good if they split it into two toggles. Unlimmited ordance, unlimmited ammo. That way you can fly ofline jabo campagnes, and still shoot down 5 planeshttp://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_smile.gif

i like flying with unlimmited ammo when theres loads of targets around, dont like it so much with a 500kg bomb underneath.
so i always end up flying jabo limited, and sigh everytime i have to turn for home </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

I will definately second that.

I have been asking politely for this since the original Il-2.....

Separate toggles for barrel ammo and ordinance please!

Jagd

SeaFireLIV
05-23-2005, 09:21 AM
And while you`re at it, Oleg, get `em some diapers!

idonno
05-23-2005, 10:25 AM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by SeaFireLIV:
And while you`re at it, Oleg, get `em some diapers! </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

LOL!! http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-very-happy.gif


I found bicycle riding far more rewarding once my dad removed the training wheels. http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-wink.gif

DayGlow
05-23-2005, 02:51 PM
I appologize that my interweb member isn't as big as some people.

Real men uninstall the game once they die since there are no second chances.

fabianfred
05-23-2005, 07:49 PM
I fly off-line and fully agree that it would be nice to have the option of more ammo without more bombs....
I've always thought that the AI get much more ammo than we do....
because the AI are STUPID STUPID STUPID... if we fly as anything other than flight leader it is frustrating when they act blind... and that idiot leader continually telling you to 'stay with your leader' even after you've been damaged and he's told you to go home, or told you to jump... dangling in your chute and being shouted at for not being in formation http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_rolleyes.gif

so you need to fly as leader... then because you are at the head of your formation... the enemy AI 'lock on' to you as the first/nearest enemy object and ignore the rest until you are down, so you need extra ammo to survive...

it is sometimes useful to put it in Autopilot, but with unlinited ammo and bombs they will keep dropping them forever

heywooood
05-23-2005, 07:54 PM
I agree - unlimited gun ammunition only when that option is checked would be a fine improvement.

Spectre-63
05-23-2005, 08:48 PM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by DayGlow:
I appologize that my interweb member isn't as big as some people.

Real men uninstall the game once they die since there are no second chances. </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

....not to mention dousing themselves with oil and/or lighting themselves on fire during the appropriate moments in the sim. http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif

Fear the 'if you're not full-switch, you're not a REAL sim-pilot' player, for he has the core that is hard and the p3nis that is small. http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_eek.gif

blakduk
05-23-2005, 08:59 PM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by thefruitbat:
i agree that it would be good if they split it into two toggles. Unlimmited ordance, unlimmited ammo. That way you can fly ofline jabo campagnes, and still shoot down 5 planeshttp://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_smile.gif

i like flying with unlimmited ammo when theres loads of targets around, dont like it so much with a 500kg bomb underneath.
so i always end up flying jabo limited, and sigh everytime i have to turn for home </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

Great suggestion, i fully agree http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/351.gif

Freelancer-1
05-23-2005, 11:19 PM
I like unlimited bombs.

If you max out a He-111 with a large load of little bombs, you can hold down the bomb release while barrel rolling. It looks wild from an external veiw. Stukas too, if you roll in your dive you can release hundreds of bombs before you have to pull up. Looks like a water sprinkler.

Better yet, did you know paratroopers fall under bomb loadouts as well. It looks hilarious seeing four thousand people jump out of a single plane.

The possibilities are endless.

DuxCorvan
05-24-2005, 02:58 AM
I agree on a separate switch. Onliners will never understand it. SP often puts you 20 vs 10, but your AI comrades do nothing and your AI foes never give up the chase, and follow you to the end of the world. Once you're out of ammo, you must dance and dance forever until your fuel is over with the chasers that followed you to your base, for they'll never let you land, and you have nothing to send them home. http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-sad.gif

VernPellerin
05-25-2005, 07:09 PM
To all the guys who agreed with me . . . it's great to see I have support.

But I'm quite surprized at the number of people who cop a macho attitude and pretend that a person is somehow less than a man if he doesn't play with full realism.

THIS IS A GAME! Get a life. Get a girlfriend. Get some sex. If you want full realism, then when you get shot down in the sim the very first time, get a real gun, put it to your head, and blow your brains out. Now THAT would be FULL REALISM!!!

I (and others) would LIKE to have the OPTION for TWO toggle switches (one for bullets - the other for bombs/rockets/torpedoes/etc).

If some of you guys are manly men with ****** that are so huge you would never even dream of turning down ANY of your realism settings, then YOU DON'T HAVE TO! No one will come to your house and force you to lower your own realism settings just because I prefer to lower some of my realism settings.

Now, go grab your huge Thrustmaster and start, um . . . "flying".

VELCRO_FLY
05-26-2005, 12:20 AM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content"> THIS IS A GAME! Get a life. Get a girlfriend. Get some sex. If you want full realism, then when you get shot down in the sim the very first time, get a real gun, put it to your head, and blow your brains out. Now THAT would be FULL REALISM!!! </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/88.gif http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/88.gif http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/88.gif http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/784.gif

You guys crack me up!

spitzfiya
05-26-2005, 12:22 AM
OT

I wish i had a girl friend.... http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-happy.gif

JRJacobs
05-26-2005, 06:30 AM
here's the heresy - full-REAL is not full real it's full-DIFFICULTY 2D monitors with your head on a stick - add to it there's no land and reload option bah... masocists

a solution would be a jettison stores key that removed unlimited bombs/rockets/etc while keeping the ammo

Skyraider3D
05-26-2005, 06:58 AM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">...and still shoot down 5 planes </div></BLOCKQUOTE>
All you need for that is an Fw 190 and limited ammo! http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif

JG52Karaya-X
05-26-2005, 08:59 AM
BUMP this idea! http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/25.gif

masaker2005
05-26-2005, 09:48 AM
I think we should have two separted switches. http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/25.gif

VernPellerin
05-26-2005, 11:25 AM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by JRJacobs:
a solution would be a jettison stores key that removed unlimited bombs/rockets/etc while keeping the ammo </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

That would work also! That's mainly the problem . . . I don't like the extra weight bogging me down. I just want to jettison my bomb(s)/torpedo/rockets after I've made my attack run.

Unlimited bullets is fun, because you can spend some extra time shooting down enemy aircraft. And when your AI wingmen are acting dumb, it's great to have those extra bullets. But dogfighting with a huge bomb under the plane kinda sucks. So a jettison ordnance key would be great!

Is anyone at UBI reading this suggestion??? It would be great to see this OPTION in a future patch!!!

IL2-chuter
05-26-2005, 12:49 PM
I vote for seperate switches for guns and external ordinance with options at actual/double/unlimited, even though I only use realistic. http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-indifferent.gif

Being a Real Life taildragger pilot I would venture a guess that most of the Full Switch Aces commenting in this thread couldn't get a Warbird off the ground in RL because ground handling isn't modeled (just plain isn't . . . a reasonable compromise). I would JUST ONCE like to make a 109 look like like a groundloop pretzel like I've seen in pictures . . . http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-happy.gif

Covino
05-26-2005, 01:36 PM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by fabianfred:
I've always thought that the AI get much more ammo than we do....
because the AI are STUPID STUPID STUPID... if we fly as anything other than flight leader it is frustrating when they act blind... and that idiot leader continually telling you to 'stay with your leader' even after you've been damaged and he's told you to go home, or told you to jump... dangling in your chute and being shouted at for not being in formation http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_rolleyes.gif

so you need to fly as leader... then because you are at the head of your formation... the enemy AI 'lock on' to you as the first/nearest enemy object and ignore the rest until you are down, so you need extra ammo to survive...

it is sometimes useful to put it in Autopilot, but with unlinited ammo and bombs they will keep dropping them forever </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

AI doesn't get more ammo than you.

AI isn't as stupid as you make them out to be, when they say, "stay with the formation," they are merely asking you to stay on the tail of your wing leader (like they do for you when you have a wingman, return the favor).

They don't shout at you to return to formation unless you're not doing whats expected, turn on AI and you'll see how the AI flies and the leader won't bother him.

You don't "need" to fly as leader.

AI sets the leader of flights as the highest priority target because in real life, and in the game, the leader is usually the most skilled and it is best you knock them out early. If you watch, your AI does the same to the enemy. First you complain about AI being "STUPID STUPID STUPID," and now you complain when they start using smart tactics?! http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_rolleyes.gif

You don't "need" extra ammo to survive.

Please...

SeaFireLIV
05-27-2005, 04:42 AM
Well, Covino, you actually bothered to try and put some sense into the `unlimited ammo, but not unlimited ammo` kids. I could post a whole page on effective flying with and against AI using limited ammo and survive - but what`s the point.

I just posted to Oleg to hurry up with the diapers the `unlimited ammo` chaps will require.

blakduk
05-30-2005, 06:40 PM
SeaFireLIV- in response to your well reasoned comment "I just posted to Oleg to hurry up with the diapers the `unlimited ammo` chaps will require."- are you inferring that people who play games are children?
Take a look at yourself, you're talking about a game. Putting extra emphasis on skill and limiting the available resources you have to achieve the task merely means you're more skilled (probably because you have the luxury of time to master this game), not that you are more adult.
The proposal that people may be allowed to smooth out the learning curve by adding an extra dimension to the skill level required is a good one.
Remember, this is a game, this is a proposal to change an option- not a permanent alteration to what purists regard as necessary to prove their manliness.

AFSG_Mshine
05-30-2005, 06:57 PM
The answer is simple... this will give both
side what they want and maintain realism enough
to make it a challenge..

This is an option I have been posting messages
about a few times, but has not been addressed.

Like in CFS2, we should have the ability to
land at an airfield, REPAIR/REARM/REFUEL!!!!

Who says the mission should be over, because
we only have enough ammo for one sortie???

Did fighters in WWII ONLY go out on one mission
a day?? If they had a target, and they did not
destroy the target, did they just give up and
say, "Oh well, one load of ordenance, I didn't
destroy the target, I guess we will just do it
some other time."?????

I don't think so.... Frankly even when I destroy
half of the targets, and shoot down a plane or
two, I find it highly annoying that I cannot
head back to base, and go back out for another
sortie to finish the JOB!!!

Even if you use every round, perfectly, you
barely have enough ammo to destroy a few targets
and if you only designed a mission with two
trucks, a couple tanks, and a two planes, you
would not have enough ammo to complete that
mission ever, and that is just plane rediculous.

Otherwise... I LOVE THIS GAME!!!!!!!!!! http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/11.gif

VernPellerin
05-31-2005, 09:22 AM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by SeaFireLIV:
Well, Covino, you actually bothered to try and put some sense into the `unlimited ammo, but not unlimited ammo` kids. I could post a whole page on effective flying with and against AI using limited ammo and survive - but what`s the point.

I just posted to Oleg to hurry up with the diapers the `unlimited ammo` chaps will require. </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

What is it with the pathetic, lame, idiots who feel the psychotic, insane, mentally deranged NEED to control other people? Exacly What happened that deep fried their brain?
Why do these psychos keep telling me how to enjoy my own GAME ?!?!?!

It's a GAME people!!! These are suggestions. You are free to play YOUR game the way YOU want to, and I'm FREE to play *********MY GAME********* the way I want to!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

I am making a case for Oleg to add an OPTION!

An OPTION
An OPTION
An OPTION
An OPTION

The key word is OPTION. That's all. It's a choice. Once there is a choice, you can use that choice, or you can IGNORE that choice.

It's an OPTION I'm asking for! That's all. Just an OPTION.

What is it with the flight sim Nazis that feel the psychotic need to control other people? You guys (& you know who you are) are absolutely insane. You have some short-circuited wires in your head. Please stop trying to control other people! Stop telling other people how they HAVE to play THEIR game! Geeeeeeez!

It's a SUGGESTION for an OPTION! And while you're looking at it Oleg, can you time out those TEXT messages in multiplayer that keep saying you got shot down, even AFTER you re-start the mission. It's annoying to be alive, flying a NEW multiplayer mission with my friends, while reading a text message up on the top of the screen that says I'm dead (from the previous mission where I got shot down about 25 minutes ago!)

Those messages need to time out after a few minutes.

quiet_man
05-31-2005, 12:07 PM
NO NO NO need for an additional option!!!

just double the ammoload and the "full real" people can stop pushing the trigger at the right moment http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif

quiet_man http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_wink.gif

k5054
05-31-2005, 12:19 PM
What about a reload button? Use it in the air or on the ground depending on how it's switched. Maybe you have to fly for a while after the ammo is gone to give yourself a feel of reality.
OTOH I can't see ever the need for bombs/rockets to be unlimited.

foxfire1941
05-31-2005, 12:38 PM
I'd like to see a real ammo counter in the cockpit showing how many rounds you have to start and how many are left. That way I could be more conservative with my ammo load. I fly many different planes and it's very hard to tell how much ammo is left to shoot. Even if it just showed up in the speedbar it would help. Now that's not asking for too much. So please put this in patch coming out soon. S!

VernPellerin
05-31-2005, 01:04 PM
I still want:

Limited bombs/rockets/torpedoes

together with

Unlimited bullets.

That to me would be FUN !!! So I'd like to see separate switches for bullets versus bombs/rockets/torpedoes.

Either that, or an "eject ordnance" button that would dump the (unlimited) bombs/rockets/torpedoes, while still maintaining unlimited bullets.

SeaFireLIV
05-31-2005, 02:47 PM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by vernpellerin:

What is it with the flight sim Nazis that feel the psychotic need to control other people? </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

I`ve had a few insults in my time (and even been called a communist), but it`s the first time ever I`ve been labelled a Nazi!


Fascinating. http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/35.gif

johann63
05-31-2005, 03:57 PM
If I remember correctly, Janes WWII fighters had a double ammo option and a counter, which both were kind of nice.

Would also be nice for this "game/sim/thing/whatever"

blakduk
05-31-2005, 06:52 PM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by k5054:
What about a reload button? Use it in the air or on the ground depending on how it's switched. Maybe you have to fly for a while after the ammo is gone to give yourself a feel of reality.
OTOH I can't see ever the need for bombs/rockets to be unlimited. </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

Now this is a VERY good idea http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/351.gif

Silvertip1
05-31-2005, 11:04 PM
I don't usually get involved in these little Pi$$ing contests, but I have to chime in on this one. I remember starting the original Red Baron way back when, and one of the things that I really appreciated about the sim was the options for flight and combat difficulty. I started out with the sim on easy flight/easy combat. After going thru a campaign, I then went to the next step on flight but kept the combat at easy. After that campaign, I went to realistic flight (such as it was http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_smile.gif) with the combat at easy. Then, I reversed the process until I had worked my way up to full difficulty in both flight and combat. Only flying at full realism (which really isn't if you watch a lot of combat footage and see the maneuvers that the pilots pull off without stalling) is fine and dandy for those of you who have the time to spend each day with the sim. However, there are those of us who just aren't able to spend time each and every day sitting at the computer. Other things such as jobs, household chores, house repairs, etc. all tend to interfere with the enjoyment of our hobby. IMHO, if you only want to fly full realism, that's fine and I applaud your skills. HOWEVER, please stop knocking those of us who would like to work our way up through the difficulty settings with practice WHEN AND IF WE HAVE THE TIME. Enough of my ranting and raving http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-wink.gif, I have to go and practice some more.
Silvertip