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Philipscdrw
11-07-2004, 09:10 AM
Hello people. The fine folks at the Il-2 Sturmovik boards are wondering if it is possible to destroy torpedoes by shooting at them with machine guns, rifles, or cannon, or crashing into the torpedo with aircraft. Is that possible?

julien673
11-07-2004, 09:23 AM
Well, i hope so but, one plane for each torpedo... its hard for the moral http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-wink.gif

Maybe its was possible...but very hard ( minimum 20mm ????? )

Sulikate
11-07-2004, 10:11 AM
Well... I thonk shooting torpedos is a difficult task, but is possible (the torpedo may explode when hit?)

Yarrick_
11-07-2004, 10:27 AM
I think that if the torpedo is set to run deep and it is not a steam-propelled one, it is not possible to see it from the surface unless it is too late. Also, I think that the turrets on most warships were not designed to shoot too low.

Jose.MaC
11-07-2004, 10:38 AM
You would be unable to shoot any torpedo runing deeper than 2 m/6 ft. Of course, you always can crash an airplane at this depth, but is too expensive. Maybe with depth charges http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_wink.gif

bertgang
11-08-2004, 04:19 AM
Other silly ways to destroy torpedoes:

1) jump over them to enforce to dive deeper;

2) launch some horseshoe to detonate magnetic pistols;

3) sink your ships, so they will miss targets.

Redwine
11-08-2004, 06:08 AM
There is a project of a high rate of fire cannon to be mounted in ships and helicopters, with supercavitation bullets with deppest penetration into water than conventional bullets.........to destroy torps and mines.

I read it in a web page time ago, but i think so it is not operative yet............

Rick614
11-08-2004, 06:32 AM
I would think that most bullets fired from a ship at a torpedo would be at such a low angle that they would skip off the water. A plane firing at a torpedo would probably have a better chance but it would still be pure luck.
I do remember reading the account of a Japanese dive bomber attacking an American carrier being fired on by 20mm's in it's dive and one of the rounds accidentally striking the released bomb and exploding it above the carrier. That would be luck. Don't remember if they got the plane or not.

julien673
11-08-2004, 06:35 AM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by Redwine:
There is a project of a high rate of fire cannon to be mounted in ships and helicopters, with supercavitation bullets with deppest penetration into water than conventional bullets.........to destroy torps and mines.

I read it in a web page time ago, but i think so it is not operative yet............ <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>


its for WWIIhttp://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/10.gif---------> http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_wink.gif

Philipscdrw
11-08-2004, 06:56 AM
So, essentially, there is no way to stop torpedoes in WW2. Thanks people.

Redwine
11-08-2004, 08:39 AM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by julien673:
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by Redwine:
There is a project of a high rate of fire cannon to be mounted in ships and helicopters, with supercavitation bullets with deppest penetration into water than conventional bullets.........to destroy torps and mines.

I read it in a web page time ago, but i think so it is not operative yet............ <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>


its for WWIIhttp://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/10.gif---------> http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_wink.gif <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>


Yes I know !! http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-tongue.gif http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-very-happy.gif

But is an interesting topic for discusion !! http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-happy.gif

Jose.MaC
11-08-2004, 08:51 AM
I know that would be a little bit extrange, but maybe a FIDO torpedo could hit another torpedo. Is just to change the sound he will follow.

Another way: to drop a nuclear bomb! But destroying everything in a radious of some km is unpracticall.

Even shoting from a diving plane, bullets cannot penetrate more than a few decimeters on water. So you must use some kind of grenades!

mlody111
11-09-2004, 12:43 AM
Other Stupid ways of destroying torpedoes.

1. Use those **** lifeboats for something already!

2. Ram it!

3. Throw junk overboard in hopes that it will detonate on something.

4. I say dont worry about it... it will get destroyed once it hits you anyway.
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Seriously...
I doubt anything that is realistic could be done.

bertgang
11-09-2004, 04:45 AM
In fact, an effective defence against torpedo strikes was really experienced later in the war; a sort of steel net surrounding the ship.

Few merchants were saved that way, but the torpedo nets weren't never largely used: they weren't 100% safe, and higly reduced the speed of the ships.

Jose.MaC
11-09-2004, 06:16 AM
Interesting enought, looks like a poor-man two hulls ship!

Some ships had a belt of barrels, I supose is related with those nets.

Pr0metheus 1962
11-09-2004, 06:46 AM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by Philipscdrw:
Hello people. The fine folks at the Il-2 Sturmovik boards are wondering if it is possible to destroy torpedoes by shooting at them with machine guns, rifles, or cannon, or crashing into the torpedo with aircraft. Is that possible? <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

Yeah, trust those fine 'sim fans' at the IL2 boards to come up with this one. Tell me, did anyone ever crash into a torpedo with an aircraft in real life?

Honestly, I've never known a simulation with more arcade-oriented fans than IL2.

Next they'll be asking if we can ride a torpedo kinda like that guy in the movie Dr. Strangelove rode his atomic bomb. It's a simulation folks! Get with the program.

badhat17
11-09-2004, 09:35 AM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR> 9April,1944.
USS Flaherty,part of the CVE USS Guadalcanal H/K group,fired at U 515 but missed....unfortunately the "Fido" torp chased USS Pillsbury until a aircraft strafed the torp. <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

From "Hunter/Killer" by William T. Y'Blood. ISBN 0-553-29479-2

Iohann Moritz
11-09-2004, 01:17 PM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by Jose.MaC:
Interesting enought, looks like a poor-man two hulls ship!

Some ships had a belt of barrels, I supose is related with those nets. <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>The barrels were inside the ship, and were there to increase the buoyancy, so the ship wouldn't sink until broken in two, no matter how much water it had inside. This way the u-boat captain wasted torpedoes that would otherwise be used against more relevant targets.

I think...

CB..
11-09-2004, 01:57 PM
i suppose if a destroyer was in the right place at the right time...and saw the torp heading by ..a depth charge at minimum depth would see the thing off..? often wondered about that torpedo net idea....a destroyer towing some sort of submerged torpedo screen would be feasible as it's max speed would still be higher than the merchants...tho it would probably get torped it-self...might have been an idea to protect capital ships that way tho?

no idea..im sure they must have spent many hours wondering about this sort of stuff during the war..

i still dont know why Donitz didn't try assigning half a wolfpack to attacking the destroyers whilst the other half concentrated on the merchants...might have kept the dd's from having a free run forcing them to break contact to avoid torpedoes..probably daft ..
no idea

Pr0metheus 1962
11-09-2004, 04:05 PM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by badhat17:
9April,1944.
USS Flaherty,part of the CVE USS Guadalcanal H/K group,fired at U 515 but missed....unfortunately the "Fido" torp chased USS Pillsbury until a aircraft strafed the torp. <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

Strafing isn't ramming.

bertgang
11-10-2004, 05:18 AM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by CB..:
i still dont know why Donitz didn't try assigning half a wolfpack to attacking the destroyers whilst the other half concentrated on the merchants...might have kept the dd's from having a free run forcing them to break contact to avoid torpedoes..probably daft ..
no idea <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

Looking at some of my virtual experiences, an u-boat working as a destroyer hunter seems really effective; sometimes I had up to four red pennants, not counting the white ones.

But I don't think that my tactics could work so fine against escorts with human, competent, captains; they are more attentive to their own survival.

I believe, anyway, that the main point was in war economy; torpedoes weren't cheap at all; spending millions for each shot is fine when you sink enemy supplyes for a multiple amount; wasting several shots to destroy a small surface unit is really expensive; then you are out of ammo for the main targets.

CB..
11-10-2004, 05:32 AM
what i was wondering about concerning the attacking of the convoy escorts was that the loss of even one escort would severly effect the convoys defense...there being no immediate replacements available (out side of many days hard steam) ...mid atlantic any loss of an escort would be a major problem as far as that convoy was concerned ..attacking in waves would throw up some opportunities for at the least creating confusion in amoungst the escorts as the second wave of u-boats would find the DD's running sonar detection patterns which might have been predictable enough to cause some damage..or scare the dd off long enough for the U-boat under attack to escape..

even one less escort would make any subsequent attack an easier proposition..at least untill they were able to draft in reinforcements (which would have to take days to reach the convoy)
it's just something that niggles me some times ..a wolfpack standing off and launching a forest of TV's late in the war then following them in might have had some impact..breaking the convoy's formation long enough to allow for some more close range attacks on the merchants,
anything that might prevent the escorts from being able to conduct ASW with a completely free hand...dividing their attention between the ASW and avoiding attacks on them selves ...might have forced them to adopt slightly less effective tactics...the DD creeping slowly running sonar sweeps whilst the others attacked would have been a easier than usual warship target...and would have created chaos if sunk long enough perhaps for other U_boats to press home an attack on the merchants..

badhat17
11-10-2004, 06:15 PM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by Beeryus:

Strafing isn't ramming. <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

Obviously not , but it would cover - <BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR> wondering if it is possible to destroy torpedoes by shooting at them with machine guns <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>