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ytareh
12-22-2005, 09:55 AM
Noob like me...?Try the Ki84B(4x20mm) instead of the seemingly more obvious choice the Almighty 2x30mm(&2x20mm) wielding C.Their(the 30mms) rate of fire is so much slower that when I tried the B version I found it much more deadly.And the late Japanese 20mm I think I read here recently is one of the most lethal cannons available to us.So 4 of 'em pack quite a punch!No point in having a "big gun" if you cant hit anything with it!!!(eg P39 Airacobra!)

ytareh
12-22-2005, 09:55 AM
Noob like me...?Try the Ki84B(4x20mm) instead of the seemingly more obvious choice the Almighty 2x30mm(&2x20mm) wielding C.Their(the 30mms) rate of fire is so much slower that when I tried the B version I found it much more deadly.And the late Japanese 20mm I think I read here recently is one of the most lethal cannons available to us.So 4 of 'em pack quite a punch!No point in having a "big gun" if you cant hit anything with it!!!(eg P39 Airacobra!)

p1ngu666
12-22-2005, 09:57 AM
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jugent
12-22-2005, 02:50 PM
p1ngu666 why dont be consequent, wouldnt Achtung spitfuer be better than Achtung spitfire.
It reminds me of old bad warmovies when the germans spoke English with german accent, but the said Achtung and H...l H....er, and the japanese spoke english with japanese accent but the said Banzai, hai and Harakiri.
Dont you think that was ridiculus?

SlickStick
12-22-2005, 02:55 PM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by ytareh:
Noob like me...?Try the Ki84B(4x20mm) instead of the seemingly more obvious choice the Almighty 2x30mm(&2x20mm) wielding C.Their(the 30mms) rate of fire is so much slower that when I tried the B version I found it much more deadly.And the late Japanese 20mm I think I read here recently is one of the most lethal cannons available to us.So 4 of 'em pack quite a punch!No point in having a "big gun" if you cant hit anything with it!!!(eg P39 Airacobra!) </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

I kind of agree. Except for the fact that the 30mm cannons on the Ki-84-1c are the best 30mms in the game, IMO. All HE loadout, great accuracy and they don't seem to affect the handling of a 1c all that badly, if at all.

Even when one runs out of 30mms in the 1c, those two 20mms on the nose are still quite deadly, I have to agree there.

It's one of the reasons a Ki-43 pwns so hard in 1941 plane sets because it can out maneuver everything in it's year and the two 20mms on the nose are quite formidable, albeit they do not seem as powerful as the 20mms used on the Ki-84-1b or 1c.

SlickStick
12-22-2005, 02:58 PM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by jugent:
p1ngu666 why dont be consequent, wouldnt Achtung spitfuer be better than Achtung spitfire.
It reminds me of old bad warmovies when the germans spoke English with german accent, but the said Achtung and H...l H....er, and the japanese spoke english with japanese accent but the said Banzai, hai and Harakiri.
Dont you think that was ridiculus? </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

Silly point, but true nonetheless.

However, it doesn't really matter how it's said as it just means death to the LW plane that encounters the consummate Spitfire pilot....especially if it's a IXe or VIII at altitudes above 4000m. http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/34.gif

Badsight.
12-22-2005, 03:48 PM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by SlickStick:
It's one of the reasons a Ki-43 pwns so hard in 1941 plane sets because it can out maneuver everything in it's year and the two 20mms on the nose are quite formidable, albeit they do not seem as powerful as the 20mms used on the Ki-84-1b or 1c. </div></BLOCKQUOTE>thats because they aren't

we dont have the Ki-43 with the nose 20mm flyable in FB

LStarosta
12-22-2005, 04:12 PM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by jugent:
p1ngu666 why dont be consequent, wouldnt Achtung spitfuer be better than Achtung spitfire.
It reminds me of old bad warmovies when the germans spoke English with german accent, but the said Achtung and H...l H....er, and the japanese spoke english with japanese accent but the said Banzai, hai and Harakiri.
Dont you think that was ridiculus? </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

Spitfire is a proper noun.

p1ngu666
12-22-2005, 04:32 PM
spitfire looks better http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-wink.gif

SlickStick
12-22-2005, 05:38 PM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by Badsight.:
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by SlickStick:
It's one of the reasons a Ki-43 pwns so hard in 1941 plane sets because it can out maneuver everything in it's year and the two 20mms on the nose are quite formidable, albeit they do not seem as powerful as the 20mms used on the Ki-84-1b or 1c. </div></BLOCKQUOTE>thats because they aren't

we dont have the Ki-43 with the nose 20mm flyable in FB </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

Hmmm, even the Ki-43-1c? Hmmm, many said they were 20mms in a server I was on. Dang, that's the last time I listen to what someone says without looking it up for myself. http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/51.gif

Ah, a quick look at the Object Viewer shows me a two 12.7mm machine gun loadout. Some websites call them "machine cannons".

p1ngu666
12-22-2005, 05:54 PM
theres no deffintion that makes a cannon a cannon, rather than MG gun. just normaly a cannon is larger calibre

Box-weasel
12-22-2005, 08:42 PM
Cannons fire explosive rds, MGs don't. http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/10.gif

Xiolablu3
12-23-2005, 03:20 AM
Not all, a MG151/15mm doesnt have explosive rounds and thats called a cannon http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/mockface.gif

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JtD
12-23-2005, 03:46 AM
The MG 131 fire explosive rounds but is a machine gun.

The reason it's called cannon is because the Japanese referred to it as a cannon. They upgraded from 7.7 mm machine guns firing solid rounds to a 12.7 mm thing firing explosives. That's big enough for them to call it cannon. If you ask the 30+ mm freaks from Germany at that time, they'd hardly label it cannon.

Isn't "Achtung, Spitfire!" a complete and thus proper quote from German pilot slang at that time?

ImpStarDuece
12-23-2005, 03:47 AM
A MG131 fires explosive rounds, and that's called a machine gun http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/mockface.gif

p1ngu666
12-23-2005, 04:31 AM
JtD, yeah http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-happy.gif

Odranoel1
12-23-2005, 07:51 AM
I confirm that the Ki43 in game has no 20mm cannons. I am quite familiar with it and estimate the "punch" to be that of a .50 cal machine gun. I set convergence to 150 m and aim at the cockpit (between left nostril and upper lip) in the hope of a deadly shot. Works well except if enemy pilot has a moustache.
More seriously: great little plane, but little everything. Quite a challenge to down anything AND have enough ammo left for their wingman

-S- Odranoel1

HotelBushranger
12-23-2005, 08:03 AM
Another plane to put on the to-do list, ey? http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-wink.gif

LEBillfish
12-23-2005, 08:13 AM
No such beast as a 20mm cannon armed Hayabusa....Even the two test beds were tried and then bypassed......The only guns the Hayabusa ever had was a very small few with Type 89, 7.7x58 SR MG's, all the rest Type 1 MG's, Ho-103, 12.7x81 SR.

VW-IceFire
12-23-2005, 11:52 AM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by Box-weasel:
Cannons fire explosive rds, MGs don't. http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/10.gif </div></BLOCKQUOTE>
Nope....

Italian 12.7mm machine guns used explosive shells to make up for the lack of hitting power on their aircraft. Even some light machine gun shells were modified at one time or another to include a explosive charge...although I don't think this was done outside of a test or two.

Cannons and machine guns have a VERY blurry line...

Its generally accepted that 13mm and down is heavy machine gun and 20mm and up is cannon. Anything in between is...well...just make it up really. Some 20mm cannons have no explosive shells either...SO...

JG53Frankyboy
12-23-2005, 12:18 PM
in WW2 germany weapons till 20mm caliber were called machine gun - there fore MG151/20 http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_wink.gif

above 20mm canons.

the test weapons 213 (the "forerunner" of the after war Aden, DEFA for example)was called
MG213 with 20mm and
MK213 with 30mm caliber

and realy a lot of nations used HE shells in their heavy machinguns !
Italy, Sovietunion , Japan, Germany - the US Browning so far was an exception, but a very often used http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_wink.gif