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ramble235
06-19-2005, 04:43 AM
The wind is 9, it certainly looks calm enough, but when i try to use the deck gun it says I cant because of the "storm". Is this normal?

ramble235
06-19-2005, 04:43 AM
The wind is 9, it certainly looks calm enough, but when i try to use the deck gun it says I cant because of the "storm". Is this normal?

VF-17_Jolly
06-19-2005, 04:47 AM
Yes, you can`t use the deck gun or flak guns over wind speeds of 5 or 6 mps

ramble235
06-19-2005, 04:51 AM
ah ok thanks. It seemed calm enough, but if thats the limit then OK.

Thanks VF

VF-17_Jolly
06-19-2005, 05:34 AM
Its a pain I understand the deck gun, even in light seas the foredeck can be underwater but if the watch crew can stand on lookout in 15mps winds without even swaying or stumbling about http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/51.gif , I think the flak guns should be available in a moderate swell

W.Irving
06-19-2005, 07:38 AM
Question is if it's safe to operate the FLAK in a storm. What if the gunner slips and mows down the watch officer? http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/88.gif

VF-17_Jolly
06-19-2005, 07:47 AM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by W.Irving:
Question is if it's safe to operate the FLAK in a storm. What if the gunner slips and mows down the watch officer? http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/88.gif </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

Good point but as the watch crew have velco boots the the guncrew can be issued with the same footware http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_razz.gif

W.Irving
06-19-2005, 08:07 AM
If the watch crew has velcro boots, wouldn't the deck gun crew have them too? http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_wink.gif

Hence, the watch crew does not have velcro boots, there are no velcro boots on the boat, in fact - there are no velcro boots anywhere in the entire Kriegsm.. Ger.. Axis forces!


Actually, velcro wasn't invented until AFTER the war! http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_razz.gif

VF-17_Jolly
06-19-2005, 09:34 AM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by W.Irving:
If the watch crew has velcro boots, wouldn't the deck gun crew have them too? http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_wink.gif

Hence, the watch crew does not have velcro boots, there are no velcro boots on the boat, in fact - there are no velcro boots anywhere in the entire Kriegsm.. Ger.. Axis forces!


Actually, velcro wasn't invented until AFTER the war! http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_razz.gif </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

No you are wrong infact velcro was a secrect german invention designed for the boots of U-boat crews the just wasn`t enough to go round.
Thanks to the actions of the RAF and USAAF bombing aircraft factories which were velcro manufacturing plants in desguise. http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/mockface.gif

W.Irving
06-19-2005, 10:49 AM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by VF-17_Jolly:
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by W.Irving:
If the watch crew has velcro boots, wouldn't the deck gun crew have them too? http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_wink.gif

Hence, the watch crew does not have velcro boots, there are no velcro boots on the boat, in fact - there are no velcro boots anywhere in the entire Kriegsm.. Ger.. Axis forces!


Actually, velcro wasn't invented until AFTER the war! http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_razz.gif </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

No you are wrong infact velcro was a secrect german invention designed for the boots of U-boat crews the just wasn`t enough to go round.
Thanks to the actions of the RAF and USAAF bombing aircraft factories which were velcro manufacturing plants in desguise. http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/mockface.gif </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

You're crazy!
Everyone knows velcro was invented in India right after WWII.
The Indians, fighting for independance from the British, sought a way to demonstrate by forming crowds which the British military couldn't break up. The idea (Gandhi's) was for everyone to drape in p-velcro on one side and n-velcro on the other, and find a fellow activist to attach themselves to.
Gandhi was later killed in 1948 by the disgruntled owner of a button factory. The Brits finally had enough and left India.

VF-17_Jolly
06-19-2005, 11:11 AM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by W.Irving:
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by VF-17_Jolly:
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by W.Irving:
If the watch crew has velcro boots, wouldn't the deck gun crew have them too? http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_wink.gif

Hence, the watch crew does not have velcro boots, there are no velcro boots on the boat, in fact - there are no velcro boots anywhere in the entire Kriegsm.. Ger.. Axis forces!


Actually, velcro wasn't invented until AFTER the war! http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_razz.gif </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

No you are wrong infact velcro was a secrect german invention designed for the boots of U-boat crews the just wasn`t enough to go round.
Thanks to the actions of the RAF and USAAF bombing aircraft factories which were velcro manufacturing plants in desguise. http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/mockface.gif </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

You're crazy!
Everyone knows velcro was invented in India right after WWII.
The Indians, fighting for independance from the British, sought a way to demonstrate by forming crowds which the British military couldn't break up. The idea (Gandhi's) was for everyone to drape in p-velcro on one side and n-velcro on the other, and find a fellow activist to attach themselves to.
Gandhi was later killed in 1948 by the disgruntled owner of a button factory. The Brits finally had enough and left India. </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

Infact the entire manhatten project was built so a sollution could be found to counter act velcro
it was thought that radiation from a small uranium bomb could straighten the hook side of velcro. The building of an atomic bomb was just a lucky accident.
Everyone know that the so called passive demonstrations of india where caused by electrostatic generators which made the crowds stick together.
Ghandi was indeed assasinated by a button maker but only after he tried to import the Zip. http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/35.gif

Ratek
06-19-2005, 03:57 PM
Yes, it is true that the Indians used velcro to stick together in those big crowds, but you fail to notice where they got that knowledge from. German scientists that escaped the demise of the Third Reich... Ghandi paid good money to get vast supplies of velcro.

But to the point. The flakgunners could indeed slip and mow down everybody else, but that was a risk that was taken every time, not just in bad weather. If my sub was under attack from planes and I couldn't dive, I would use the flak, even if the weather was bad.

GT182
06-19-2005, 06:03 PM
The cutoff point for using the deck and flak guns in game is 7m/s. Anything under that and you can use them.

I have a neighbor that was on a sub in WWII and he says the deck guns were not used unless it wasn't windy or in calm seas. The skipper never wanted to lose a man on deck because of bad weather. Standing watch on the conn was ok but using the guns on a slippery deck was a no no.

Admiral_Donuts
06-19-2005, 06:57 PM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by W.Irving:
What if the gunner slips and mows down the watch officer? http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/88.gif </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

LOL! Oh yeah . . . can you imagine what kind of creative writing that report would entail? "Dear Admiral, unfortunately while manning my flak station on a slippery platform . . ."

As far as the velcro discussion, what I found was that Germany did indeed develop velcro for use on U-boat deck gun crews in heavy seas, but abandoned it after an unfortunate incident during testing. It seems a deck gun crew was wearing their special boots, which were velcroed to the deck in heavy seas. As they were about to fire at a target, the boat dipped below a large wave and as the gun fired, the water in the barrel acted as an obstacle and exploded the gun and the gun crew. When the bow resurfaced from the wave, all that was left were the smoking boots of the gun crew still velcroed to the deck; sad, really.

Ratek
06-20-2005, 09:02 AM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by GT182:
The cutoff point for using the deck and flak guns in game is 7m/s. Anything under that and you can use them.

I have a neighbor that was on a sub in WWII and he says the deck guns were not used unless it wasn't windy or in calm seas. The skipper never wanted to lose a man on deck because of bad weather. Standing watch on the conn was ok but using the guns on a slippery deck was a no no. </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

Well, I think the deckgun cutoff is fair (though I have seen pictures of WWI subs firing in rather bad weather). But the flakguns on the tower itself should be useable in even rather bad weather, say a cutoff of 13 m/sec. Naturally accuracy should suffer quite a lot.

VF-17_Jolly
06-20-2005, 01:27 PM
The point i was trying to get across in the first place was no so much that the deck gun can be used in high seas or the flak guns for that matter,although that would be good not in heavy seas but as Ratek said in maybe 10-13mps. But the fact that the watch crew in 15mps winds stand completly rigid and don`t even hold on to the side rail.
Those of you that have seen Das Boot will recall the scene on the bridge in heavy seas the watch crew are not only huddled towards the front of the bridge the are also tied to safety ropes and even then one of their number is almost washed overboard.
So if it is unsafe to man the deckguns there must come a point when it is too dangerous to have a watch crew on the bridge and the kapitan decides that it is safer to dive and weather the storm.

Ratek
06-20-2005, 04:22 PM
Ahhh... But as you notice we don't get any safety underneath the waves. I still see my sub rolling at 20 meters.

Charlie901
06-20-2005, 07:41 PM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by GT182:
The cutoff point for using the deck and flak guns in game is 7m/s. Anything under that and you can use them.
wanted to lose a man on deck because of bad weather. Standing watch on the conn was ok but using the guns on a slippery deck was a no no.
I have a neighbor that was on a sub in WWII and he says the deck guns were not used unless it wasn't windy or in calm seas. The skipper never </div></BLOCKQUOTE>


Yeah, just watch "Das Boot" and see those conn tower men hanging on fer dear life, even with harnesses.

They couldn't have aimed a gun fer squat in that weather.

Ratek
06-21-2005, 09:19 AM
True, but I think they are facing more than 15 m/sec winds there.

I just experienced 7 m/sec winds with no fog or rain and calm seas... I didn't know. So I closed with a Small Merchant to give him the hammer from deck. Only when I wanted to send out the guncrew did I notice that I couldn't. Quickly I got a report from the Navigator... Yes, 7 m/sec. Great! Not wanting to waste a torp on such a lousy target I turned around and used quite a bit of time to get away again (he even managed to get a few shots off at me).

Now, tell if a real sub captain wouldn't have used the gun anyway. I can't believe he would have been told
WE: "But sir we can't, we have 7 m/sec winds out here."
CA: "So? The seas are calm, we aren't even splashing up any water going at flank speed."
WE: "Sir, it doesn't matter, we can't work the gun in winds like that."
CA: "Why is that?"
WE: "Well, it is embarassing really..."
CA: "Go on..."
WE: "We are afraid we might get swept off the deck, and besides BdU has instructed us to not use the gun in winds of more than 6 m/sec."
CA: "WHAT THE #%@#$?!?!? You lousy cowards! Filthy swampdwellers! BACKWARD IDIOTS!... ect ect"

aaronblood
06-27-2005, 02:00 PM
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