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aukieboy
02-25-2006, 03:08 PM
Man, I like that plane. I saw a documentary about it taking out the German Bismarck... low leveldropping torpedos, only a few torpedos would hit the ship but they managed to bring it down.
This could be a nice mission for pacific fighters but unfortunately we don't have a Carrier borne Biplane...I'll dream about it
Aukieboy

aukieboy
02-25-2006, 03:08 PM
Man, I like that plane. I saw a documentary about it taking out the German Bismarck... low leveldropping torpedos, only a few torpedos would hit the ship but they managed to bring it down.
This could be a nice mission for pacific fighters but unfortunately we don't have a Carrier borne Biplane...I'll dream about it
Aukieboy

Treetop64
02-25-2006, 03:21 PM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by aukieboy:
Man, I like that plane. I saw a documentary about it taking out the German Bismarck... low leveldropping torpedos, only a few torpedos would hit the ship but they managed to bring it down.
This could be a nice mission for pacific fighters but unfortunately we don't have a Carrier borne Biplane...I'll dream about it
Aukieboy </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

The swordfish played a crucial part in the eventual sinking of the Bismarck, but the swordfish didn't "bring it down". One of the torpedoes launched from the biplanes hit the Bismarck in the rudder and crippled it. This enabled the pursuing British fleet to catch up with the German ship and sink it themselves.

Would be nice to have it in the game, though!

ChrisPayne
02-25-2006, 03:36 PM
If you like the Swordfish, get yourself a copy of the book War in a Stringbag by Charles Lamb - includes first hand account of the attack on the italian Fleet at Taranto

Tooz_69GIAP
02-25-2006, 06:57 PM
The Swordfish was being modelled, but it turned out there was no way to get the thing finished to the right standard before the submission deadline nearly a year ago.

We can only hope to have in one of the BoB expansions. You can't have the Med without the Stringbag!

CUJO_1970
02-25-2006, 07:55 PM
Yep, the Swordfish would be a great addition - to bad it didn't make the deadline.

We can always hope for BoB.

lkemling
02-25-2006, 08:11 PM
Hey' I did a Bismarck mission in cfs3 in the stringbag....attacking a battleship who can put up a wall of flak reaching out several miles in a aircraft doing 70mph right on the deck , will make even us pc pilots sweat bullets!! http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/winky.gif

The-Pizza-Man
02-26-2006, 01:02 AM
While we're on the subject, a Fairy Firefly would have been a great addition as well.

VW-IceFire
02-26-2006, 07:34 AM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by Treetop64:
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by aukieboy:
Man, I like that plane. I saw a documentary about it taking out the German Bismarck... low leveldropping torpedos, only a few torpedos would hit the ship but they managed to bring it down.
This could be a nice mission for pacific fighters but unfortunately we don't have a Carrier borne Biplane...I'll dream about it
Aukieboy </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

The swordfish played a crucial part in the eventual sinking of the Bismarck, but the swordfish didn't "bring it down". One of the torpedoes launched from the biplanes hit the Bismarck in the rudder and crippled it. This enabled the pursuing British fleet to catch up with the German ship and sink it themselves.

Would be nice to have it in the game, though! </div></BLOCKQUOTE>
Actually all of that happened but the Bismarck was sunk by the remaining crew. It was effectively scuttled. Analysis conducted a few years ago at the wreck showed that RN torpedoes and shells turned the upper decks into an inferno of twisted metal but the ships seaworthiness was still intact until internal explosions breached the hull.

It was determined that the close range of the RN battleships and cruisers were skipping the shells up into the superstructure and away from the hull. Torpedoes hit the main hull but failed the penetrate into the secondary hull.

Still...it was pretty doomed either way and one lucky hit from a Swordfish torpedo bomber spelled doom for the German battleship.

Waldo.Pepper
02-26-2006, 07:40 AM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Actually all of that happened but the Bismarck was sunk by the remaining crew. It was effectively scuttled. </div></BLOCKQUOTE>
Really!? I thought (naturally given the passions involved) that this was still in dispute?

VW-IceFire
02-26-2006, 09:33 AM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by Waldo.Pepper:
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Actually all of that happened but the Bismarck was sunk by the remaining crew. It was effectively scuttled. </div></BLOCKQUOTE>
Really!? I thought (naturally given the passions involved) that this was still in dispute? </div></BLOCKQUOTE>
I believe its been fairly conclusively studied. They went down to the wreck to do investigative analysis of what was left (surprisingly alot).

I think what eventually happened is they pulled enough resources from people involved in the battle on both sides, used that plus the wreck, and they were fairly certain as to its fate.

What I suspect is not in dispute is that the Royal Navy still managed to land the final blows. Regardless of it still floating the ships effectivenss as a warship was reduced after the first few salvos.

tedinaz
02-26-2006, 09:43 AM
The made-for-TV anlysis indicated that the hull was substantially flooded before sinking, due to the lack of collapse damage from water pressure. How they jump to crew scuttled, considering the lower hull is under the mud line is beyond me

Saying the Bismarck was scuttled by her crew instead of sunk is akin to saying that a football team "forfeited" with 30 seconds remaining in the 4th quarter, behind by 50 points. The Bismarck was sunk by the Royal Navy, whether her crew opened seacocks, set scuttling charges, or just left, she was going to the bottom.

Zeus-cat
02-26-2006, 10:53 AM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Saying the Bismarck was scuttled by her crew instead of sunk is akin to saying that a football team "forfeited" with 30 seconds remaining in the 4th quarter, behind by 50 points. The Bismarck was sunk by the Royal Navy, whether her crew opened seacocks, set scuttling charges, or just left, she was going to the bottom. </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

I have always agreed with this point. The anger that this causes in some British Navy vets seems odd to me. They scuttled it because the RN devastated the ship.

Maybe when the Brits hit escape they were p!ssed because the AI stole the kill and they didn't get their 700 points for sinking the Bismark.

Just kidding! Couldn't resist saying that list bit.

We need to remember all the lives lost on both sides during this battle.

SeaFireLIV
02-26-2006, 12:21 PM
I ain`t flying anything that`s called a fairy! http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/winky.gif

aukieboy
02-26-2006, 03:29 PM
[QUOTE]Originally posted by Tooz_69GIAP:
The Swordfish was being modelled, but it turned out ...

I read some incredible words about the plane lately... one of my favourates so too bad we'll never see it in IL2 for sure then

STENKA_69.GIAP
02-28-2006, 05:26 AM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by SeaFireLIV:
I ain`t flying anything that`s called a fairy! http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/winky.gif </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

When one of the US Navy liason officers first set eyes on a Swordfish he asked "Where the hell did you get that thing?"

To which his RN counterpart replied "Fairies made if for us"

Dumbfounded the American quipped "That figures"

x6BL_Brando
02-28-2006, 03:12 PM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">I ain`t flying anything that`s called a fairy! </div></BLOCKQUOTE>


's funny, but that's similar to what my American wingie said when I sent him a photo of the Fairey FD2. Nothing to do with its achievement of course http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_wink.gif

http://www.rafmuseum.org.uk/fairey-fd2.htm

SnapdLikeAMutha
03-02-2006, 02:51 PM
I'm not sure how conclusively one could determine the cause of the Bismarck's sinking, given that the most vital bit of evidence (the ship's hull under the waterline) is buried in the sea bottom...

It wold be great to have the Swordfish, what would be even greater would be to have its ASV radar modelled since this is what gave the RN a night strike capability which NOONE else had at the time.

Stigler_9_JG52
03-03-2006, 07:19 PM
Most people in this community wouldn't have the patience to fly a Stringbag. Talk about an unterplane...

It's incredibly slow....almost unarmed... but it is highly maneverable when not laden by ordnance.

This plane had a career several stations past its potential. It had a hand in sinking the Bismarck, and was the star at Taranto... which makes it a success unarguably. But it really was a creaky piece of ****....

major_setback
03-04-2006, 10:48 AM
Wot, still no picture!
http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/59.gif


http://www.compass.dircon.co.uk/sword_1.jpg

http://www.spitcrazy.com/Swordfish-opt.jpg

A strange propeller:

http://www.regiamarina.net/arsenals/planes_uk/swordfish/images/Swordfish_1.jpg

http://www.dynagen.co.za/eugene/strinbag.jpg

http://www.riveting-images.com/Dan_Zoernig_Aviation_Art/Dan_Zoernig_s__Swordfish_of_th/Zoernig__Swordfish_600pxl.jpg

http://www.military-art.com/images/dhm_933_small.jpg

http://avions.legendaires.free.fr/Images/imagesep03.jpg

http://photos.airliners.net/photos/photos/3/4/6/0929643.jpg

http://1000aircraftphotos.com/APS/2618L.jpg

http://1000aircraftphotos.com/APS/2070L.jpg

SnapdLikeAMutha
03-04-2006, 10:56 AM
Correction - it was a strange, fixed pitch propellor http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/blink.gif

Nimits
03-04-2006, 10:56 PM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by Zeus-cat:
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Saying the Bismarck was scuttled by her crew instead of sunk is akin to saying that a football team "forfeited" with 30 seconds remaining in the 4th quarter, behind by 50 points. The Bismarck was sunk by the Royal Navy, whether her crew opened seacocks, set scuttling charges, or just left, she was going to the bottom. </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

I have always agreed with this point. The anger that this causes in some British Navy vets seems odd to me. They scuttled it because the RN devastated the ship.

</div></BLOCKQUOTE>

Ditto. After the first few minutes of the last fight, all the German had left was a 40,000 ton armored ammunition barge. What they did with her after that was largely irrelevent.

Of course, then you have to consider the insantity that led the Kriegsmarine to send a heavily armored, 40,000 ton, 30 knot battleship with 8x15" guns by itself into the North Atlantic to hunt merchants . . .

jamesdietz
03-05-2006, 09:29 AM
BoB Fodder..........