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Lanzfeld
01-20-2005, 06:36 AM
Now I am not a conspiracy person but did you ever wonder about why the "sudden" bonus ship recognition books? I mean...this was kinda out of the blue wasn't it?

Now stick with me on this: They are in the middle of printing 50,000 or 100,000 ship recognition manuals to go with the game and its (yet to be printed) large game manual when they get the order from the "higher ups" to STOP. Why??? you say? Because the whole thing has changed after the EA thing. We are dumbing down the game for the masses and we are cutting costs so stop with the manual stuff. What to do with the 400 or so we have printed? Throw em out or better yet use em for promotion!

Just a thought. http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_confused.gif

blue_76
01-20-2005, 07:07 AM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR> Now stick with me on this: <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

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Gbucket
01-20-2005, 07:09 AM
From what I've been told, there will be only 1200 printed worldwide and the other 600 will be used for promotions, PR, competitions, marketing, etc. They will not be sold officially.

stevenwhiting
01-20-2005, 09:11 AM
If they don't eventualLy sell them officially thats a big wad of cash they'll lose out on. So I believe its just a marketing ploy thang, that I've said else where. And eventually they will sell them officially.

But as I always say, I could be wrong.

u2336
01-20-2005, 09:56 AM
Aren't you, guys, fed up with writing such things ? When it is not about delays, it is about marketing strategy.....of course it is a marketing move but you are free to buy or not. I did and I will be happy to get those limited manuals.

STOP FINDING A BLACK SHEEP IN EVERYTHING, think positive and remember you are in a capitalist world but you are free to buy (enjoy that it may not last forever...)

u2336
01-20-2005, 10:00 AM
are you this kind of guys who thinks no plane crashed on the pentagon, the jewish community knew about the 09/11 attack, the moon missions were just a hollywood production (I wont quote all the bullshiits known...) ?

RedTerex
01-20-2005, 10:16 AM
Even so, 1200 copies is still a very small amount!

This is world wide dont forget guys, so only a maximum of 1200 people either way will have the copies out of the entire planet !

They will be collectors items as Ubi has stated.

stevenwhiting
01-20-2005, 11:23 AM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by u2336:
Aren't you, guys, fed up with writing such things ? When it is not about delays, it is about marketing strategy.....of course it is a marketing move but you are free to buy or not. I did and I will be happy to get those limited manuals.

STOP FINDING A BLACK SHEEP IN EVERYTHING, think positive and remember you are in a capitalist world but you are free to buy (enjoy that it may not last forever...) <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

Erm, over reaction I think.

I'm not fussed if it were a marketing ploy but we've now been told it ain't.

Just was saying it might be so people don't think they have missed out. Other reasons why are the store Game, in the UK. I ordered The Sims 2 from them. They said, as they always and still do, that it will be about 5 cheaper pre-ordering. So I do. Turns out it ends up 30 due to P&P. Not only that, when it comes in store, they sold it at the pre-order price. So I would of saved money if I'd just brought it in store.

Oh well.

Anyway, like I said, don't over react, I was just saying.

u2336
01-20-2005, 11:31 AM
not over reaction at all.
Just fed up with always unsatisfied people ! (OMG, I am myself an unsatisfied person now as I am not happy with unsatisfied people... http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/35.gif)

Seriously, we are all waiting for a game that will be (I hope) a real must have. It was NOT a due. Why not being happy with that ? Why always criticizing ?

Nothing about you personnaly stevenwhiting, it is just my mood.

stevenwhiting
01-20-2005, 11:55 AM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by u2336:
not over reaction at all.
Just fed up with always unsatisfied people ! (OMG, I am myself an unsatisfied person now as I am not happy with unsatisfied people... http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/35.gif)

Seriously, we are all waiting for a game that will be (I hope) a real must have. It was NOT a due. Why not being happy with that ? Why always criticizing ?

Nothing about you personnaly stevenwhiting, it is just my mood. <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

Ah a mood swing http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_smile.gif Yeah I guess I know what you mean. This is the first few posts here cause i just preordered the game to get the manual. Was funny reading all the threads moaning about no feed back and delays etc. After all, its only a game. Just that God its not that game with Sam in the title, arrggghhh bugging me now 'cause i've forgot what it was called. Anyway, that has been in development for YEARS! When's out? "When its ready", thats all they say and its been about 5 or more years, not that I want that game but its funny.

Anyway, I'm rambaling.

Drebbel
01-20-2005, 12:23 PM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Because the whole thing has changed after the EA thing. <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

Only heard EA want to buy shares. But did they actually already buy them ?

SailorSteve
01-20-2005, 01:49 PM
Here's another possibility: They're making plenty for everybody, but only the first 600 pre-orders will get them free. The rest will have to buy them, separately from the game. That way it's still a marketing ploy, but UBI will not be hurting themselves by not having them available.

Teddy Bar
01-20-2005, 04:32 PM
One can only presume that the 'real' manual that over 75% said that they wanted will not be coming our way.

Dominicrigg
01-20-2005, 04:48 PM
Wahaayy! Now no one can speculate about the game not coming out, you have found something else to speculate about. Game manuals!!!

http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/10.gif I heard that people who got this special edition also get a better game then everyone else, and if you dont get this manual your ears will fall off by july!!

Bulwark_
01-20-2005, 08:56 PM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by UbiRazz:
From what I've been told, there will be only 1200 printed worldwide and the other 600 will be used for promotions, PR, competitions, marketing, etc. They will not be sold officially. <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

Well I for one think it's pretty unfair to offer this entire deal over seas. I can pre-order the game from a Canadian site which would save a lot of trouble but I would not get the book. It's a nice bonus, I don't consider it a market ploy, but it's too much trouble for me to order over seas, pay duty, customs, and probably taxes once it gets here. It would end up costing me double, and for what? Just to receive a collectors edition book, which is pretty nice, but not worth paying double for the game.

In my opinion the book should be made available in every box. People are going to pre-order the game anyway no matter what. So why only offer the Recognition Manual to the first 600 anyway? I can guarantee there will be more than that many pre-orders. But anyway, I'll just have to make do with the "pdf" format on the CD. http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-sad.gif Maybe I'll print it at work or something. Make my own little book, with staples and everything!

u2336
01-21-2005, 02:13 AM
unfair ? it would be unfair if you really needed this manual to play the game, but it is included IN the game as an electronic version you can use with the periscope.

It is a collector/bonus, so there is nothing unfair !

When I see a collectible or a game only available in the States and if it interests me, I will pay the price to get it here in Europe, thats all. It is a matter of choice. You can still get the game at a "good price" if you keep your order in your US/Canadian shop. Nothing unfair.

Teddy Bar
01-21-2005, 03:45 AM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by Dominicrigg:
Wahaayy! Now no one can speculate about the game not coming out, you have found something else to speculate about. Game manuals!!!

http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/10.gif I heard that people who got this special edition also get a better game then everyone else, and if you dont get this manual your ears will fall off by july!! <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>
You know the old saying, never argue with an idiot.

Regards,

B¤r

Kejotikk
01-21-2005, 04:42 AM
I'm sick and tired of people posting outrageous conspiracy theories. I'll just go ahead and say it for the 100:th friggin time: EA is NOT, I repeat, NOT in control of UBI. Yes they own a share of UBI but they aren't the major shareholder, the Guillemot family (founders of UBI) still are. Get that through your thick skulls...

I'm normally able to keep my cool through the most annoying of things but seriously this has gone too far, can't people just, oh I don't know, perhaps take the recognition manuals as a BONUS?? You know, something theyre giving away for free to people out of the goodness of their hearts? (and probably a bit of a promotion technique too)

Ungrateful bastards..

stevenwhiting
01-21-2005, 04:51 AM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by Kejotikk:
I'm sick and tired of people posting outrageous conspiracy theories. I'll just go ahead and say it for the 100:th friggin time: EA is NOT, I repeat, NOT in control of UBI. Yes they own a share of UBI but they aren't the major shareholder, the Guillemot family (founders of UBI) still are. Get that through your thick skulls...

I'm normally able to keep my cool through the most annoying of things but seriously this has gone too far, can't people just, oh I don't know, perhaps take the recognition manuals as a BONUS?? You know, something theyre giving away for free to people out of the goodness of their hearts? (and probably a bit of a promotion technique too)

Ungrateful bastards.. <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

Someone got out of the wrong side of the bed this morning. Calm down. We're only suggesting what could be why the manual is being offered, nothing more. We aren't having a go or moaning, so why go mental over it. Take a chill pill.

Kejotikk
01-21-2005, 05:09 AM
I was mostly referring to the original poster, and all the other conspiracy theorists both here and on subsim.com. Like I said, i'm normally able to keep my cool but this was simply the last straw. I think i'm allowed to throw a little tantrum once every 10 years or so.

RedTerex
01-21-2005, 06:23 AM
The excitement is almost at fever pitch now.

Gbucket
01-21-2005, 09:02 AM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by Bulwark_:
Well I for one think it's pretty unfair to offer this entire deal over seas. I can pre-order the game from a Canadian site which would save a lot of trouble but I would not get the book. <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>
But it's a promotion in Europe by Europe, we're not offering it overseas at all. If the Canadian divison wish to do a similar promotion that'll be up to them and not us. I'm sorry that you live in a different continent to us but we all do our own promotions for our own games and we have nothing to do with your local Ubisoft. Sorry!

julien673
01-21-2005, 09:25 AM
http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/cry.gif http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/cry.gif http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/cry.gif

I m sure we will have some manuel to, but not the "special edition".... Maybe the same whitout colors http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-very-happy.gif http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-very-happy.gif

Tomcat41
01-21-2005, 10:23 AM
UbiRazz do you know if the guide is at least included as a PDF on the cd for our less fortunate american fellows so they can print i themselves?

*is glad for once that he lives in europe*

Yarrick_
01-21-2005, 11:24 AM
I guess nobody knows, the CD is not done yet.

Bulwark_
01-22-2005, 04:16 AM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by Tomcat41:
do you know if the guide is at least included as a PDF on the cd for our less fortunate american fellows <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>
and Canadian fellows

I'm pretty sure I did read somewhere that there would be a PDF version on the CD. And I think I also read the the PDF version is exactly the same as what's in the manual, minus the cool cover and the physical pages! http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_smile.gif But I cannot remember my sources...

Tomcat41
01-22-2005, 05:14 AM
I meant American as in "the continent America"

Dont worry i like Canadians http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_smile.gif

But I'll still be hunting Canadian ships in SH III if i can http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_wink.gif

Redwine
01-22-2005, 07:18 AM
May be i am right....may be i am wrong........ http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-indifferent.gif

But in some weeks when i buy the game at some store, i will feel i am buying an incomplete version or a mutilate version of the game, because i will not able to have the best version of the manual...... http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/51.gif

Very sad and bad policy of the company......... http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_mad.gif http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_mad.gif

Pr0metheus 1962
01-22-2005, 07:42 AM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by Kejotikk:
I'm sick and tired of people posting outrageous conspiracy theories. I'll just go ahead and say it for the 100:th friggin time: EA is NOT, I repeat, NOT in control of UBI. Yes they own a share of UBI but they aren't the major shareholder, the Guillemot family (founders of UBI) still are. Get that through your thick skulls... <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

I agree, and even if Ubi was bought out a month ago it wouldn't affect this game, because no company is going to cut its own throat financially by taking a development team off a game that's nearly finished.

All of these threads are based on no evidence. Speculation is masturbation - it might make you feel good, but it's not productive, and it makes everyone else who knows about it feel kinda icky.

Bulwark_
01-23-2005, 04:05 AM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by Tomcat41:
I meant American as in "the continent America"
Dont worry i like Canadians http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_smile.gif
But I'll still be hunting Canadian ships in SH III if i can http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_wink.gif <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

Well I'll actually probably hunt them too! http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_smile.gif

<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by Redwine:
But in some weeks when i buy the game at some store, i will feel i am buying an incomplete version or a mutilate version of the game, because i will not able to have the best version of the manual...... <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

A lot of people will most likely feel the same way, it's unfortunate that they just didn't include it with every copy since it's conducive to a true simulation. http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_frown.gif