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weaselwagon1
04-03-2007, 09:28 PM
All this time I've been triggering my MG131's and MK108 with one button(unlike the real 109).How many guys here have set up the two weapons systems independent of each other?If so,are you finding it easier to range your opponent with the 131's?

weaselwagon1
04-03-2007, 09:28 PM
All this time I've been triggering my MG131's and MK108 with one button(unlike the real 109).How many guys here have set up the two weapons systems independent of each other?If so,are you finding it easier to range your opponent with the 131's?

VW-IceFire
04-03-2007, 09:35 PM
Always had mine separated. Now that I have a X-52 I actually have "three" buttons dedicated to firing my guns. Stage 1 trigger is machine guns, Stage 2 trigger is full guns, and I have a third button on top of the joystick for just cannons.

In most planes with a cannon/machine gun combo I tend to range the shots unless I'm very sure of the shot. Fire a few see where I'm at and then let loose if I'm on the mark. Not very good for boom and zoom mind you...so its usually in more turn and burn moves.

Also sometimes I use the machine guns, particularly with white or red tracers (like the MG17's in a Bf109G-2 or F-4) to psych out the guy infront a little before I hit him with the cannon.

Waldo.Pepper
04-03-2007, 10:08 PM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by VW-IceFire:
Always had mine separated. Now that I have a X-52 I actually have "three" buttons dedicated to firing my guns. Stage 1 trigger is machine guns, Stage 2 trigger is full guns, and I have a third button on top of the joystick for just cannons.

In most planes with a cannon/machine gun combo I tend to range the shots unless I'm very sure of the shot. Fire a few see where I'm at and then let loose if I'm on the mark. Not very good for boom and zoom mind you...so its usually in more turn and burn moves. </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

Ditto for me almost word for word.

Except I have it so that when I press the pinkie switch the first position on the trigger reverses and THEN fires cannons. And then if I hold down the pinkie and pull to the 2nd position it fires EVERYTHING so that when you get excited and your natural tendency is to clench your hand/fingers, all the guns fire.

I find this programming solution most flexible.

weaselwagon1
04-03-2007, 10:15 PM
I'm using a sidewinder and have trouble transitioning from MG's to cannon+MG'S when i'm closing fast with the separated triggers.

heywooood
04-03-2007, 10:30 PM
I have weapon 1&2 mapped to the trigger and fire in short bursts. I found that having them separated with the MG's on the trigger and the cannon or the rest of the MG's on button 2 I would get no love with the bursts and then have to really concentrate or 'over control' to get in position again and depress both triggers.

And when I had it reversed with cannons on the main trigger - the short burst would be no more effective than with both weapons on it and I would run out of cannon shells faster.

But thats just me.

Waldo.Pepper
04-03-2007, 10:32 PM
I that case I would setup a nice big obvious button on the keyboard to fire everything. SPACEBAR springs to mind. That way with your joystick hand fly the plane, and hold your other hand over the SPACEBAR and lean on when you want to fire the lot.

lowfighter
04-03-2007, 10:33 PM
It's also more economical to have them separated, one saves ammonition.

heywooood
04-03-2007, 10:56 PM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by Waldo.Pepper:
I that case I would setup a nice big obvious button on the keyboard to fire everything. SPACEBAR springs to mind. That way with your joystick hand fly the plane, and hold your other hand over the SPACEBAR and lean on when you want to fire the lot. </div></BLOCKQUOTE>


You mean like the 'EASY' button from those office supply commercials? lol...ok.

PBNA-Boosher
04-03-2007, 10:58 PM
If I want to fire both, I hit both buttons. It works pretty well for me... Especially in a P-47 in the Pacific. If you're at a good convergence range, all you need is those four .50's at a time.

GAU-8
04-03-2007, 11:59 PM
i keep mine seperate.. how i have my MG's ranged, and my cannons ranged as soon as i hit an AC with my MG's, i rip out a cannon shell. even though they are different convergences,(cannon out farther, but slower..wait, maybe i have that reversed... i have to check now) it works out pretty good.

kameron1974
04-04-2007, 12:16 AM
Fire cannon and MGs together. Don't leave what could be your one shot to chance.

tagTaken2
04-04-2007, 12:23 AM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by VW-IceFire:
In most planes with a cannon/machine gun combo I tend to range the shots unless I'm very sure of the shot. Fire a few see where I'm at and then let loose if I'm on the mark. Not very good for boom and zoom mind you...so its usually in more turn and burn moves.

Also sometimes I use the machine guns, particularly with white or red tracers (like the MG17's in a Bf109G-2 or F-4) to psych out the guy infront a little before I hit him with the cannon. </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

Ditto. Save the cannon ammo for inside their personal space, don't waste it on ranging shots.

I usually begin tracking a mg burst onto the target, and once contact is being made, fire cannon as well.

AnaK774
04-04-2007, 12:58 AM
CH fighterstick throttle combo here

on prinary trigger weapon 1+2
on secondary mg
on throttle cannon

i like freedom of choice for situation

Klemm.co
04-04-2007, 02:39 AM
X-52 User here. I use the 3 modes available to me to switch between fire modes. Mode one is: trigger fires all, pinkie the MGs. Mode two is: trigger fires MGs, pinkie cannons. Mode three: trigger is cannon, pinkie MGs.
Works very well for me, it took me a while to come up with this config. Obviously I use Mode one the most and mode three the least.

JG53Frankyboy
04-04-2007, 02:40 AM
M$ FFB2 here.

i have weapon 1+2 on the main trigger.
than i have the MGs (mostly, Ta152 is anyoing http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif ) on a second thumb trigger for long range shots.

if i want shot the canons only, i have still a button on the keyboard

nsteense
04-04-2007, 03:44 AM
Cannons and MG on seperate buttons. If I want to fire both, I just press the two buttons at the same time.

Matz0r
04-04-2007, 06:26 AM
I have a two stage trigger with MG on first stage and weapon1+2 on second stage, I also have the cannons mapped to a 2nd button on top of the stick. I have programmed the mode switch button on my joystick to swap cannon and mg positions so I can fire the cannon alone on the trigger - for flying the yak or f4. The third mode makes first stage on the trigger fire both mg and cannon - P-47 and Buffalo etc.

Col._King
04-04-2007, 06:45 AM
~S~

P-38driver here. Separated triggers with one button selected to fire all when at close range and sure of my grenades and MG bullets.

TgD Thunderbolt56
04-04-2007, 12:44 PM
I have one button (pinky button) for mg's only and my primary trigger button for combined fire (mg's & cannons).

WWSpinDry
04-04-2007, 12:52 PM
Other way for me: primary trigger fires both (MGs only when shifted) and pinky button fires cannon(s) only. I don't get many shot opps, I want every one to count.

horseback
04-04-2007, 01:18 PM
CH Combatstick. For LW and VVS fighters, I have MGs on the main trigger, and cannon on the thumb button (The Combatstick has a single button at the thumb, unlike the Fighterstick's 4-way switch). I like to stay with the MGs until I am sure of my range and can add the cannon (especially for the VVS birds, which have limited firing time) without wasting rounds.

For US fighters except the P-38, I have all the guns set to the main trigger.

Lord knows what I'm going to do when one of my Russian campaigns puts me in a Lavotchkin...

cheers

horseback

Vike
04-07-2007, 06:25 AM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by weaselwagon1:
All this time I've been triggering my MG131's and MK108 with one button(unlike the real 109).How many guys here have set up the two weapons systems independent of each other?If so,are you finding it easier to range your opponent with the 131's? </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

For the MG151/20,the lack of tracers and the relative damages caused by the 20mm shells oblige me to fire it with the MG17/13s too.
So,i use "full guns" for the Me109E4 to G6/AS+20mm. http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-indifferent.gif

But,for the MK108 "astonishing" canon,when you're confident enough with it,you can use separately MG131s and MK108 with a real enjoyment! http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/25.gif

Here is how i use them:

- MG131s Only:
Leech too agile targets with it. http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-wink.gif
Absolutely no vibration and ultra-flat trajectory.Their positions in the nose permitt a good precision and surprising results. http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_wink.gif

Then

- MK108 Only:
Enough tracers and enough damages caused by one shell.
You can use it solely with great confidence.Moreover,without the MG131 tracers,you have a very clear view of the target,on which you can adjust LIKE HELL your AIM!

If you can,try to avoid firing with the 30mm canon under 300km/h IAS,because you would lose speed,stability...and 30mm shells going everywhere. http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-indifferent.gif
Use the 13mm MGs instead in low-speed fights with a "too" agile target.
Ideally,at 500km/h IAS,the 30mm shells provide an almost flat trajectory. http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/25.gif

To conclude,when you use the guns separately,think about the REVI-gunsight graduations,they are VERY helpful! http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-wink.gif

This afternoon,on WarClouds: http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif

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Yes,accuracy at <span class="ev_code_yellow">50%</span> with 3 hits for 6 shells fired against a P-51D-20NA with a Me109-K4-B4,during a "fast and furious" dogfight at medium alt. http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_eek.gif http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-surprised.gif
A just half-a-second burst. http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_smile.gif

Then,59 Mk108 shells remaining in store for making other -BiG- kills against any type of targets. http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/halo.gif

As i said before somewhere else,when you go on combat with a MK108-equipped Me109-Late,you have theorically "65 kills possible". http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-happy.gif

Too optimistic,maybe,i agree. http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_smile.gif
But combining the ultra-high ROF of the MK108 AND ultra-short bursts works well for me! http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-happy.gif

Remember,the Me109s are all the best in the good hands,especially the late ones! http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/metal.gif

@+

crucislancer
04-07-2007, 10:04 AM
Separate triggers for me, track with short bursts from the machine guns, then when I'm sure of my shot, usually within 300 meters, I'll send some cannon fire their way. My joystick is set up so the two buttons are within easy reach and quite comfortable to fire together when I need it.

Bearcat99
04-07-2007, 01:42 PM
I have them separated too.... It makes no sense to me to have them on the same button. I can still fire both at the same time if i want.

WWSpinDry
04-07-2007, 01:51 PM
Well, it's probably just me, but in the heat of "combat" I found myself frequently forgetting to hit the pinky button to add cannons into the mix, thus blowing rare (for me) shot opportunities. When I get a target lined up I want max damage asap. Now, if for some weird reason I don't want cannons (like, maybe in a P-39) that's the two-button (shift plus main trigger) special case, not firing both together.

I can still select any combination, it's just that letting go with everything is my default of choice.

Ratsack
04-07-2007, 06:57 PM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by heywooood:
I have weapon 1&2 mapped to the trigger and fire in short bursts. I found that having them separated with the MG's on the trigger and the cannon or the rest of the MG's on button 2 I would get no love with the bursts and then have to really concentrate or 'over control' to get in position again and depress both triggers.

And when I had it reversed with cannons on the main trigger - the short burst would be no more effective than with both weapons on it and I would run out of cannon shells faster.

But thats just me. </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

I'm with you on that. I had them separated, but I found that when I hit with only weapon 1, I always regretted I hadn't given him the full monty.

cheers,
Ratsack

BSS_CUDA
04-07-2007, 08:00 PM
I have the MG setup on a one trigger and then have both MG and Cannon on another trigger, that way when I latch onto someone in my 38 I can play with my food for a while by shooting the 4-50's at him before I take a serious bite out of them with the 20mm http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif

karost
04-07-2007, 10:47 PM
I use X52 Saitek
primary trigger : all gun
shift + primary trigger : machine gun ( 131 and 151/20 )

mostly I fly FW-190A9 with 108 and 151 which 80% of shooting is
deflection or snap short shooting

but my trick of shooting is I pull the trigger like I shoot .45 (sami-auto)not make full trigger like shooting M-16 ( full - auto )

so my ammo not run out quickly and my gun platform not too much shaking.

S!

MrMojok
04-07-2007, 11:44 PM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by BSS_CUDA:
I have the MG setup on a one trigger and then have both MG and Cannon on another trigger </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

I do the exact same thing.

BrotherVoodoo
04-09-2007, 09:43 AM
I try and only fire when I know I have the shot, so when I do I unload with everything I have. One button for both guns for me usually.