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GH_Klingstroem
11-12-2007, 11:34 AM
I have made a video in il2... Let me hear ur comments!
Tried to make it look old and a mix between the german gun camera tracks attacking heavy bombers and records from inside the bombers...
anyway have a go and check it out! http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_wink.gif

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=h2WousrlFXU

GH_Klingstroem
11-12-2007, 11:34 AM
I have made a video in il2... Let me hear ur comments!
Tried to make it look old and a mix between the german gun camera tracks attacking heavy bombers and records from inside the bombers...
anyway have a go and check it out! http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_wink.gif

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=h2WousrlFXU

Doolittle81
11-12-2007, 12:04 PM
Interesting and quite realistic looking. A bit long to hold interest, though...without any 'story' at all...and some of the music has been beaten to death in IL2 movies... Still, realistic looking and nicely done.

For me it began very well with the views which could have been from a B17 Waist gunner window taken by an hand held (shaky) camera of other nearby B17's in formation and/or under attack. Some of the other views from inside cockpits (B-17-like) also conveyed that same impression. I was enjoying it as being quite 'immersive' and 'real', BUT when you switched over to Guncam views taken by simulated German guncameras, the immersion got destroyed. Then it became a switching back and forth between the two 'points-of-view"...which may have been your very specific intention.

I'd suggest, if you had the time or interest, to compile only the seeming 'internal' B17 camera footage, then maybe add some text (old style military font,etc) in between sequences of shots noting a date or mission number or numbers of B17's lost on that particular mission, etc...making it sort of a documentary compiled by a wartime combat photographer/reporter. You could even add a naraation, making it into a newsreel, describing (in that over-dramatic voice narrator style of WWII newsreels) what is being seen :"There, a B-17 is falling out of formation...it is weakened and will soon come under attack alone..." or "The B-17 is seen falling, chutes are being counted...one...two..three..no more...the war is over for them as tehy will soon be captured......No sign of the other seven crewmembers...the war is over for them too" etc etc..

GH_Klingstroem
11-12-2007, 12:14 PM
thx for input! Yeah that was actually my plan but the program im using started to give me problems so I couldnt finish the movie at all...
Was supposed to have a total different ending...

Schwarz.13
11-12-2007, 02:01 PM
Looked really good - very authentic.

The only piece of constructive criticism i'd offer would be to switch off the 'projector' sound effect for when the music is played and back on again when music ends - that would work better imo.

Also maybe a German overture instead of Russian - Wagner perhaps (but not Ride of the Valkyries) Der Fliegende Hollander or something less flogged to death http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_wink.gif

F0_Dark_P
11-12-2007, 02:54 PM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by Doolittle81:
Interesting and quite realistic looking. A bit long to hold interest, though...without any 'story' at all...and some of the music has been beaten to death in IL2 movies... Still, realistic looking and nicely done.

For me it began very well with the views which could have been from a B17 Waist gunner window taken by an hand held (shaky) camera of other nearby B17's in formation and/or under attack. Some of the other views from inside cockpits (B-17-like) also conveyed that same impression. I was enjoying it as being quite 'immersive' and 'real', BUT when you switched over to Guncam views taken by simulated German guncameras, the immersion got destroyed. Then it became a switching back and forth between the two 'points-of-view"...which may have been your very specific intention.

I'd suggest, if you had the time or interest, to compile only the seeming 'internal' B17 camera footage, then maybe add some text (old style military font,etc) in between sequences of shots noting a date or mission number or numbers of B17's lost on that particular mission, etc...making it sort of a documentary compiled by a wartime combat photographer/reporter. You could even add a naraation, making it into a newsreel, describing (in that over-dramatic voice narrator style of WWII newsreels) what is being seen :"There, a B-17 is falling out of formation...it is weakened and will soon come under attack alone..." or "The B-17 is seen falling, chutes are being counted...one...two..three..no more...the war is over for them as tehy will soon be captured......No sign of the other seven crewmembers...the war is over for them too" etc etc.. </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

Or you could just do one long simulated German guncamera http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/59.gif

But i loved that!, really convincing http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/25.gif

foxyboy1964
11-12-2007, 04:05 PM
Excellent. Very realistic.

RepublicofTexas
11-12-2007, 05:23 PM
Excellent!

Reminds me of watching the Memphis Belle documentary.

Lurch1962
11-12-2007, 05:25 PM
In the main, I liked it very much! Some suggestions:

1) Mix up the shot duration. Avoid lots of shots having similar lengths, especially if back-to-back.

2) If there's not much action in a shot, *lean* towards keeping it short, but not always. (Just don't get ridiculous, like today's music videos! Audiences had longer attention spans a few decades ago. http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-wink.gif )

3) Mix up the camera FOV (zoom setting). Back in the day, combat photographers often had cameras with 3-lens turrets, or failing that, interchangeable lenses. Do like they did! I'm sure you've seen the documentary 'Memphis Belle.' Some of the more dramatic images were tracking shots of attacking fighters or falling bombers taken with telephoto lenses.

4) Even though gun cameras were usually over-cranked fairly significantly (~1/4 speed on projection), in attacks on bombers you might try sequences slowed to 1/2 speed, or perhaps even running at normal speed. This is to liven up the otherwise sloooow pace of the action. (In fighter combat, however, 1/4 speed is generally better.)

5) The image quality of films shot using different equipment and film formats/emulsions varied widely. If possible, apply suitable after effects to simulate this. Gun cam films tended to be less sharp and were usually grainer than those shot by a photgrapher with his larger cameras. And don't forget to manipulate contrast, too.

All I can think of for now. I'd like to see further efforts!

--Lurch--

M2morris
11-12-2007, 06:44 PM
Man that is very cool, Can't beleive how real that looks, nice job. Your time and effort is appreciated here. http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/25.gif

T_O_A_D
11-12-2007, 07:36 PM
I really enjoyed it at first then it got mixed up as mentioned above.

One thing I was thinking while watching it was, when you went to the German views you could of adjusted the screen scratch filters off beat to the allied one, and chang the aging to the film so it would of looked as if it was shot from a different camera.

Really good though, it had alot of promise.
and still does if you was to attempt to remake it.

I wonder just how many more years we have left till some of these can actually be mistaken as the real footage?

GH_Klingstroem
11-13-2007, 01:55 AM
some cool suggestions here!!

Really good as this was only my first attempt and it was a test clip to see peoples reactions more than anything else...
thx guys!

Lurch1962
11-13-2007, 05:50 PM
Forgot to mention this important one...

6) In order to record strikes reasonably clearly, Gun camera lenses tended to be of somewhat long focal length/small field of view. The smallest in-game FOV is 30 degrees, which is probably close to the view angle of most gun cam films. In fact, I get the impression that some films are even more strongly zoomed in than this. At any rate, for the most part I'd recommend simulating these clips by using the 30 degree FOV.

--Lurch--

Sillius_Sodus
11-14-2007, 12:41 AM
Very nice video. Instead of classical music, how about some hit music from the war years? Big Band or even stuff that was popular in Germany during the war. Lili Marlene anyone?

Good hunting,
Sillius_Sodus

GH_Klingstroem
11-14-2007, 06:31 AM
Yes my intention was actually to have sound of heartbeat and the sound of heavy breathing in an oxygen mask together with the movie but the program I used started to give me problems and I had to redo the whole video or finish it as it was... http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-sad.gif I chose the lats option...

Lily Marlene sounds good tho..

b2spirita
11-14-2007, 02:24 PM
thats a shame, it would have been really intense with that, but really good job nonetheless

UKD_T.H.O.R.
11-14-2007, 02:33 PM
Nice one. Maybe some more formation stuff I'd like to see, but thats just bomber pilot talking in me... http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_smile.gif

BillyTheKid_22
11-14-2007, 04:42 PM
Wow!!Great Video!! http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_smile.gif