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SuomiPilotti
12-19-2003, 10:12 AM
Can I use Ju-88 as a dive-bomber? This is my first post here... I heard that Ju-88 was used as a dive-bomber, but was A4 the one?

P.S:Sorry my worse english, I´m from finland...

P.P.S:How can i use these cool smileys?

SuomiPilotti
12-19-2003, 10:12 AM
Can I use Ju-88 as a dive-bomber? This is my first post here... I heard that Ju-88 was used as a dive-bomber, but was A4 the one?

P.S:Sorry my worse english, I´m from finland...

P.P.S:How can i use these cool smileys?

VW-IceFire
12-19-2003, 04:37 PM
I don't know the answer but I do know that the guys did an aweful lot of work to make sure that the A-4 that they modeled would do everything that it was supposed to and carried virtually every armament that it was used with. May be the most capable bomber we'll have flyable soon.

If it did dive bomb (and someone will have to confirm it) then I'm certain its been modeled into the plane.

- IceFire
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Navigator2
12-19-2003, 04:56 PM
Yes It was used as a dive bomber. My Father in Law was on the recieving end of one. The Mystery is it attacked a Factory in Birmingham England in daylight on its own! Also I have spoken to an eye witness who saw one attack AP works Leamington Spa England again a solo attack however my witness said it was more a dive down to attack than dive bomb. Incidently this aircraft was shot down and crashed near banbury

A.K.Davis
12-19-2003, 05:31 PM
I believe Ju-88 dive attacks were performed at a 50 deg. angle, rather than a vertical dive, but I'm sure Jippo will be along to answer all your questions.

I am nearly 100% sure you will be able to dive-bomb in the Ju-88.

--AKD

http://www.flyingpug.com/pugline2.jpg

SuomiPilotti
12-20-2003, 06:33 AM
Thanks for your answers, guys!

p1ngu666
12-20-2003, 08:48 AM
well, the ai one in game has dive brakes. i wasnt a vertical dive like the stuka. most dive bombers wherent vertical i think

WhtBoy
12-20-2003, 10:36 AM
Did the Stuka have any kind of mechanism to make sure the bomb cleared the prop arc like the SBD did? From the looks of it, a Stuka pilot that dropped a bomb while in a vertical dive would have a lot of explaining to do to his crew chief when he returned from the POW camp.

If such a device didn't exist, does IL-2 model the bomb going through the prop arc and doing nasty things?

I think I'll have to try that.

-WhtBoy.

Stefan-R
12-20-2003, 11:14 AM
There was a mechanism that the bomb didnt fell into the promp.
http://www.luftarchiv.de/bordgerate/sc250_ju87.jpg

It was a so called "Abwurfhebel" (eng. lever). Allowed diveangle was 90 degree or smaller.

F19_Olli72
12-20-2003, 11:16 AM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by WhtBoy:
Did the Stuka have any kind of mechanism to make sure the bomb cleared the prop arc like the SBD did? From the looks of it, a Stuka pilot that dropped a bomb while in a vertical dive would have a lot of explaining to do to his crew chief when he returned from the POW camp.

If such a device didn't exist, does IL-2 model the bomb going through the prop arc and doing nasty things?

I think I'll have to try that.

-WhtBoy.<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

Yes it did have a such device;
" If the bomb were released as was, its flight path would be through the propeller arc. To avoid this, the bomb was slung from a hinged cradle. On release in the dive, the cradle would hinge out and down thereby effectively extending the release point away from the aircraft enough so that the path of the falling bomb would now be outside the propeller arc"

Or just see the above post, took me that long to reply http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif

necrobaron
12-20-2003, 11:59 AM
In "common" words,that device was called a bomb trapeze,IIRC.....

XyZspineZyX
12-20-2003, 03:26 PM
The JU88 used the Stuvi5 divebomb sight.

http://www.naysayers.com/Stuvi_5B.GIF

Here's a diagram of the sight picture:

http://www.naysayers.com/Stuvi_Sight.GIF

Hopefully, this will be integrated into the model. Otherwise you'll have to do it by eye.

necrobaron
12-20-2003, 03:50 PM
I think it will be integrated. It'd be a little silly for it not to be. The Ju-87D-5 we're getting in the add-on has it,so I'd assume the Ju-88 will as well.

p1ngu666
12-20-2003, 06:28 PM
i remmber seeing a site on the ju88 cockpit http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_smile.gif

Jippo01
12-22-2003, 09:59 AM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by A.K.Davis:
I believe Ju-88 dive attacks were performed at a 50 deg. angle, rather than a vertical dive, but I'm sure Jippo will be along to answer all your questions.

I am nearly 100% sure you will be able to dive-bomb in the Ju-88.

--AKD

http://www.flyingpug.com/pugline2.jpg <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>


Ju 88 A-4 and A-14 will be able to dive bomb. And they will have operational StuVi sights too.

Rest of them will not be cabable to dive bomb, but I think they will do some other neat things instead. http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_smile.gif

Dive angle most commonly used early in the war was 50 degrees, and there are reference lines in the cockpit for 40, 50, 60 and 70 degree dives in the cockpit side panel. Later in the war dive brakes were removed and attacks were made in shallow 20-30 degree dive with speeds up to +700km/h to reduce time over target.


-jippo

LeLv28 - Fighting for independency since 2002
http://www.lelv28.com

Falkster's Ju-88 fan site:
www.ju88.de.tf (http://www.ju88.de.tf)

Jippo01
12-22-2003, 10:53 AM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by SuomiPilotti:
P.S:Sorry my worse english, I´m from finland...
<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

Ei sun englannissa ole mit¤¤n vikaa. http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_smile.gif

Voi tosin my¶s kysy¤ suomeksi jos haluaa, Ju-88 projekti on n¤tisti suomalais-saksalaisissa k¤siss¤. http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_wink.gif

Katso my¶s alla olevan fanisivuston foorumi. http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_smile.gif


-jippo

LeLv28 - Fighting for independency since 2002
http://www.lelv28.com

Falkster's Ju-88 fan site:
www.ju88.de.tf (http://www.ju88.de.tf)

Cossack13
12-22-2003, 01:09 PM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by Jippo01:
Ju 88 A-4 and A-14 will be able to dive bomb. And they will have operational StuVi sights too.
<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

Wow, that is just fantastic news! Thanks for all the hard work. I'm really looking forward to flying that baby!

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SodBuster43
12-22-2003, 10:41 PM
I have read that it was used for just about everything including dive bombing. Very versatile aircraft and listed as one of the great ones.

But, lol, since this is a game, I have used the He-111 to dive bomb and won't hesitate using the Ju-88 as well. Of course you need to keep your tong in your cheek when using the He-111 and hope you hit your target http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_smile.gif

LeadSpitter_
12-23-2003, 07:07 AM
you can use the he111 as a dive bomber in fb http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_smile.gif im sure the ju88 which actually was a dive bomber you can do the same but will have its airbrakes http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_smile.gif

http://www.geocities.com/leadspittersig/LSIG.txt

Stefan-R
12-23-2003, 08:29 AM
Jippo do you know which loadouts will be available for A-4 and A-14?

Jippo01
12-23-2003, 08:53 AM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by Stefan-R:
Jippo do you know which loadouts will be available for A-4 and A-14?<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

I've sent loadout plans from the manual and also my "suggestions" for FB but there is nothing final yet.

One sure thing is that they will change from current situation. http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_smile.gif


-jippo

LeLv28 - Fighting for independency since 2002
http://www.lelv28.com

Falkster's Ju-88 fan site:
www.ju88.de.tf (http://www.ju88.de.tf)

Stefan-R
12-24-2003, 02:03 AM
Would be nice to see SC 1000 http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif

VonHroth
12-26-2003, 09:52 AM
Hi, this is my first post in any of these forums so I'm not familiar with previous discussions. I love the idea that the JU-88s are coming out in the A variants, has there been any discussion about nachtjagers or the more obscure panzerjagers? I've been really hoping to fly a twin-engined fighter, so these developments are very welcome. Regards. RvH.

Jippo01
12-26-2003, 11:40 AM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>has there been any discussion about nachtjagers or the more obscure panzerjagers? I've been really hoping to fly a twin-engined fighter, so these developments are very welcome. Regards. RvH.<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>


If you look here:

http://www.freebb.de/cgi-bin/freebb/foren/F_0593/cutecast.pl?session=sG1wgskWHN7W0tnNkMGrSyd8jC&forum=6&thread=15

You will find internal development pictures of a Ju-88 C-6 heavy fighter.

Night fighters with radars will not be made for FB AFAIK. But C-6 was used in the east both day and night without radar.

Tank buster 88's cannot be done, as I haven't seen any pictures of their interior.


-jippo

LeLv28 - Fighting for independency since 2002
http://www.lelv28.com

Falkster's Ju-88 fan site:
www.ju88.de.tf (http://www.ju88.de.tf)

F19_Olli72
12-26-2003, 12:02 PM
Thanks for the link Jippo. Good to see it also comes in a zerst¶rer/fighter version http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_smile.gif Heres just something i found interesting....a fake glass nose paintjob on a Ju88 C-6 http://www.luftwaffe-experten.co.uk/ju88/ju88%20f1+xm%20-02.jpg
http://www.luftwaffe-experten.co.uk/ju88/ju88%20f1+xm%20-03.jpg

[This message was edited by Olli72 on Fri December 26 2003 at 11:23 AM.]