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blue_76
02-09-2005, 07:53 AM
Light houses across the german coast are being closed down due to the popularity of gps systems..
do you think this is a mistake? or do you think they're doing the right thing?


here is the article
http://service.spiegel.de/cache/international/0,1518,340729,00.html

Lobolopez220
02-09-2005, 07:58 AM
You`ve lost me Blue why are they closing down lighthouses because of GPS ?? GPS just shows you where you are not if there are any hazards there. Its only if the GPS is used in conjunction with a chartplotter or suchlike that it would come close to doing what a light house does. Despite that point every chart plotter I have ever used always comes with huge warnings never to rely on the absolute correctness of the data and to still always use paper charts and visual cues for safety.

Lobo

Edit: I see you just added a link to the article, having read it, what I say above stands. I agree with the captains the lighthouses should be kept. There has been a huge argument in the UK recently as the government was thinking of asking casual boaters to start paying a tax for the upkeep of buoys and lighthouses spurred on by demands of the tanker owners saying they were being unfairly charged for the upkeep of these items which everyone uses.

blue_76
02-09-2005, 08:01 AM
yes, i know the old method is still being used.. but it doesn't change the fact that the lighthouses are being closed down. if you read the article, you'll see that gps is the culprit..

<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR> The popularity of the satellite-based global positioning system has led to the closure of lighthouses along the German coast. Many more may soon be extinguished. But critics question whether the new system is reliable and safe enough to warrant the closure of these historical beacons of safety. <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

Lobolopez220
02-09-2005, 08:31 AM
Well I wouldn`t call GPS the culprit... the bigger issue is the cost of upkeep which the article does allude to in the following quotes:

"The lighthouses come at a high cost to both local governments and shipping companies, which, in some countries like Britain, are required to cover the costs of operating lighthouses themselves. So it should come as no surprise that many shipping companies would rather rely on electronics than on tradition. Besides, GPS has also helped companies save on personnel costs, since it means ships can now operate with a single person on the bridge."

and the guy responsible for reporting whether some lighhouses should close says:

Even civil engineer Eusterbarkey concedes there will be "disadvantages" for small ship operators if the lighthouses close. Though the 15 lighthouses on the North Sea cost German taxpayers about "400,000 a year to operate, money alone should not be a reason for shutting them down. "The overriding principle has to be safety on the high seas," he says.

GPS is certainly one of the factors in the decision to close but not the major one.

Lobo

Dominicrigg
02-09-2005, 08:42 AM
You know when i was a kid i always dreamed of living in a lighthouse. I think it was something to do with a facination for wizards living in towers and my love of the sea lmao.

It is a pity they close them down but they are not really needed anymore due to GPS and other modern gadgets.

mmmm wonder if i could get a cheap one now...

bertgang
02-09-2005, 08:52 AM
Why to have candles when you have electric lamps?

You'll know with the next blackout.

blue_76
02-09-2005, 09:18 AM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by Dominicrigg:
You know when i was a kid i always dreamed of living in a lighthouse. I think it was something to do with a facination for wizards living in towers and my love of the sea lmao.
<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

you are right! it does look like a wizard's tower!
http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/blink.gif

http://www.fujirangefinder.com/files/0544/lhouse_.jpg

morgoth2005
02-09-2005, 11:53 AM
I used to be a lighthouse keeper.

It's a lonely job but you can have some great (but cramped) parties.

Yarrick_
02-09-2005, 01:05 PM
Lighthouses are nice, I see them as a monument. They should be preserved, even if not operating.
And what happens with the old job of the lighthouse keeper? morgoth2005 can say you (I imagine) that it is dumb to loose it.
A single person on the bridge? I would say, just dangerous. I now understand why tankers sunk.

BobV_07
02-10-2005, 12:19 AM
I think thats terrible about the light houses! Light houses are wonderfulhttp://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_frown.gif

http://adjunct.diodon349.com/photopoint/0037/0046.jpg

Heuristic_ALgor
02-10-2005, 01:23 AM
This is the transcript of the ACTUAL radio conversation of a US naval ship with Canadian authorities off the coast of Newfoundland.

Canadians: Please divert your course 15 degrees the South to avoid a collision.

Americans: Recommend you divert your course 15 degrees the North to avoid a collision.

Canadians: Negative. You will have to divert your course 15 degrees to the South to avoid a collision.

Americans: This is the Captain of a US Navy ship. I say again, divert YOUR course.

Canadians: No. I say again, you divert YOUR course.

Americans: THIS IS THE AIRCRAFT CARRIER USS NIMITZ, THE LARGEST CLASS OF SHIP IN THE UNITED STATES FLEET. WE ARE ACCOMPANIED BY THREE DESTROYERS, THREE CRUISERS AND NUMEROUS SUPPORT VESSELS. I DEMAND THAT YOU CHANGE YOUR COURSE 15 DEGREES NORTH, I SAY AGAIN, THAT'S ONE FIVE DEGREES NORTH, OR COUNTER-MEASURES WILL BE UNDERTAKEN TO ENSURE THE SAFETY OF THIS SHIP.

Canadians: This is a lighthouse. Your call eh...

Seewolf1939
02-10-2005, 04:40 AM
"This is the Captain of a US Navy ship. I say again, divert YOUR course."

Talk about Bloody Arrogant!

Kapitan von Kahil

SailorSteve
02-11-2005, 02:24 AM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by Heuristic_ALgor:
This is the transcript of the ACTUAL radio conversation <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>
Bullsh!t! I first heard it with the USS Missouri, back when I was in the navy, which was 1970. It then cropped up with, of course, the Enterprise.
http://www.snopes.com/military/lighthse.htm#navy
I suggest you double check your facts before blindly repeating things like "ACTUAL radio conversation".

You make poor innocent children like Seewolf say equally stupid things like "Talk about Bloody Arrogant!"

Seewolf1939
02-11-2005, 04:15 AM
You make poor innocent children like Seewolf say equally stupid things like "Talk about Bloody Arrogant!"

Firstly Sailor Steve I am no child.
Secondly On prima Face value The The words of the Captain are arrogant. To demand an unidentified ship give way is just that and ignores Rule of Road convention.
Thirdly I have seen a clip of this exchange and the tone is one of arrogance.
Danke shoenen your shot...

happy days

Kapitan von Kahil

Seewolf1939
02-11-2005, 04:21 AM
Thanks for the link. The clip may have been manufactured but I take it as a form of comment on the role some nation states like to see for themselves.
If I was the US navy I wouldn't like to own that event either.

Kapitan von Kahil

bertgang
02-11-2005, 05:36 AM
According the version I know since fifteen years about, this actual radio conversation happened in mediterranean sea; the lighthouse, obiouvsly, was european, the ship could have been American, British or French (it depends on who is hated more by the people telling the story).

Dominicrigg
02-11-2005, 05:38 AM
Cant have been British, though many here seem to hate our navy 15 years ago we didnt have any big ships hehheheheheheheh http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-very-happy.gif

Heuristic_ALgor
02-11-2005, 06:42 AM
Don't forget I also told Dave Bowman and Frank Poole that the AE-35 antenna unit was in danger of iminent failure also...

SailorSteve
02-12-2005, 02:06 PM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by Seewolf1939:
You make poor innocent children like Seewolf say equally stupid things like "Talk about Bloody Arrogant!"

Firstly Sailor Steve I am no child.
Secondly On prima Face value The The words of the Captain are arrogant. To demand an unidentified ship give way is just that and ignores Rule of Road convention.
Thirdly I have seen a clip of this exchange and the tone is one of arrogance.
Danke shoenen your shot...

happy days

Kapitan von Kahil <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>
http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-very-happy.gif Sorry for the offense. Of course I can't possibly know your age or emotional state, as we've never met. Yes, it would sound arrogant...if it was real. Since it's nothing more than a funny story, well, what can I say? My point wasn't really a stab at you, I just get tired of people believing things they read on the 'net and posting them as fact.

Bertgang: As I said, the first time I heard it was over thirty years ago, and then it was an American battleship. Given the number of versions of this tale, I doubt there ever was an "actual conversation".

Seewolf1939
02-13-2005, 03:53 AM
My point wasn't really a stab at you, I just get tired of people believing things they read on the 'net and posting them as fact.

To Sailor Steve,

Thanks for your message. Sie bist eine kamerad erste klasse!
I agree with you about people who blindly believe what is handed to them. There is far too much of it today. Our papers are full of it and our pleple like pavlovian dogs.

For the record I was born in 1962 (9 months before it all was nearly ended over some missiles) and live in New Zealand.
I thought being called a child was a bit on the nose (overgrowen teenager more likely! http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif) but it's all part of the too and fro of the forum.

happy hunting Kameraden!

Kapitan von Kahil

Dominicrigg
02-13-2005, 05:26 AM
Wizards first rule : "People are stupid!"

SOF_Timber
02-13-2005, 06:14 AM
It's a joke son. http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_wink.gif

SailorSteve
02-13-2005, 11:54 AM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by Seewolf1939:
I thought being called a child was a bit on the nose (overgrowen teenager more likely! http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif) but it's all part of the too and fro of the forum. <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>
Many years ago (when I was barely into my thirties) I asked a sixty-year-old co-worker "When am I going to start feeling like a child in a world full of adults?". He replied "I don't know. Come back and ask me again in ten years".

I'm still doing my best to follow his example.