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IIJG2_HWick
12-09-2004, 10:16 PM
I am loathe to complain about anything in FB/AEP/PF for I love this Sim!
In the latest patch - 3.01m (beta) I - and my squad - find that the d/m of the American planes, in particular the Hellcat and Corsair, are just too much i.e. TOO hard to shoot down. I am not sure why this is...also I don't understand why the new "dot" for aircraft at a distance had to be removed - it was great for game play.
Please may we have the American planes d/m reduced?
S!

Edit - I can see why this place is called the "Ubi Zoo"! I should have added that my letter was meant for Mr. Maddox - it is only his reply I am interested in, not you "experts". http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_smile.gif

VW-IceFire
12-09-2004, 10:32 PM
What planes are you using to counter them?

Hellcat and Corsair were reported to be as tough or nearly as tough as the P-47. Thats alot of punishment these birds could take.

I've noticed they take quite a few hits. But having flown and fought them, its not too overdone in most cases.

NorrisMcWhirter
12-10-2004, 01:01 AM
Hi,

The FW190A was considered to be relatively tough, too...and look at that.

Blame marketing http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_wink.gif

Cheers
Norris

faustnik
12-10-2004, 01:22 AM
Icefire is right,as usual, those two planes were known for being very tough. In FB 20mm tears both of them right up. The F4Us engine is particularly vulnerable. What planes are you flying against them HWick? I Imagine that the Ki-43 would have a rough time of it, but, the Ki-84 seems to handle either the F4U or F6F fairly well.

The A6Ms 7.7mm MGs have an issue with incendiary effect, like the Mg17 did before it was fixed in 3.01. Maybe this will be changed in the next patch. This could be where your impression comes from.

VF-29_Sandman
12-10-2004, 07:03 AM
to kill a corsair, i've noted 2 main spots that will take it down very quick.
1 is the rear gas tank. only takes about 3 20mm shells and it goes boom.
2nd is the area right in front of the canopy. usually results in either a: smokin engine, or b: flaming engine.

fusalage is very tough along engine to wings for the most part. wings are also pretty resiliant; drawing on the cfs2 days, concentrate fire on 1...and only 1 wing. especially the wingtips. if u put any lead in the other wing, u'll give the sair a new lease. evened out the damage.

berg417448
12-10-2004, 08:13 AM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by NorrisMcWhirter:
Hi,

The FW190A was considered to be relatively tough, too...and look at that.

Blame marketing http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_wink.gif

Cheers



Norris <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>


Based upon my experience I can't agree...the FW-190 was (and still is)one of the more difficult planes to down in this game. And it doesn't bother me a bit.

Enofinu
12-10-2004, 10:00 AM
Berg, one hit on FW:s wing and you can catch it with any plane game has http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_smile.gif why not same with corsair or other planes, why FW loses SO much of its speed. and why does not US planes try to turn when wing is hit, they keep going like on rail, all the other planes do turn at damaged wing side, badly. cant find that modelled well in US planes. FW loses speed with one .50cal hit on wing, and same time P47 can take 30mm right on wing without problem, still flies on rail etc http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_smile.gif

and, corsair and other "tought" US Planes are too tought now, really, there is too much they can take, way too much. well, all the planes take too much to go down. wasnt it fire which causes most planes to go down in ground? now there isnt so much fire, except when planes lose tail or wing. i want planes go up in flames without losing parts, would be much more realistic. or why in the hell they used incendiary ammo so much?

almost every pilot account from different nations say that after hitting enemy it burst in fire, agree?

and Fausnik, you find that "The F4Us engine is particularly vulnerable." well, so engine should be able to take hits like early yaks and laggs in this game? no effect at all under fire? heheh that means those birds would be almost impossible to down with load of fighter ammo load.
open ur eyes http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_smile.gif

faustnik
12-10-2004, 10:29 AM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by Enofinu:

and Fausnik, you find that "The F4Us engine is particularly vulnerable." well, so engine should be able to take hits like early yaks and laggs in this game? no effect at all under fire? heheh that means those birds would be almost impossible to down with load of fighter ammo load.
open ur eyes http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_smile.gif <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif My eyes are open Enofinu. I think you might be underestimating the effects of damage on the Hellcat and F4U. Honestly, I've flown Ki-61s (Mk151 armed) and Ki-84s against Hellcats and Corsairs online a bit and, although you right that they are very durable, it was not that hard to to shoot them down.

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The Fw190 wing hit thing is really annoying. One .50 can't cut wing lift in 1/2 http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_rolleyes.gif .
I have heard a lot of P-51 guys complain about the same thing so, maybe it is not limited to the Fw190.

VW-IceFire
12-10-2004, 02:40 PM
Yep, FW190, P-51, and Yak's suffer from a single bullet of any calibre causing massive drag or loss of lift. Its very odd.

FW190 has it most pronounced simply because of the aileron sensitivity. Thats my theory anyways.

IIJG2_HWick
12-10-2004, 03:41 PM
I can see why this place is called the "Ubi Zoo"! I should have added that my letter was meant for Mr. Maddox - it is only his reply I am interested in, not you "experts". http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_smile.gif

Loki-PF
12-10-2004, 03:52 PM
loki http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/88.gif @ IIJG2_HWick

Don't hold your breath

faustnik
12-10-2004, 03:53 PM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by IIJG2_HWick:
I can see why this place is called the "Ubi Zoo"! I should have added that my letter was meant for Mr. Maddox - it is only his reply I am interested in, not you "experts". http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_smile.gif <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

Oh, sorry, our bad. Maybe sending Mr. Maddox an email instead of posting on a public message board would keep us animals out of the conversation. http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_smile.gif

GR142_Astro
12-10-2004, 04:10 PM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by faustnik:

Oh, sorry, our bad. Maybe sending Mr. Maddox an email instead of posting on a public message board would keep us animals out of the conversation. http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_smile.gif <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

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hwick, you are new? (3 posts)

I have no trouble downing F4Us or Hellcats. You just have to aim. http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-wink.gif F4U flames up nicely too. As for US planes "on a rail" after damage, is just complete sillyness. US planes aren't "on a rail" when you lift off the deck, factory fresh. http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/35.gif

Not much time in the 190, but I can back up Icefire's comment that the 190, P51 and Yak3 suffer quite a bit after just one wing hit. By the way, 109s fly pretty darn well with even a basket-ball sized hole right through the wing. Magic wings. http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/88.gif

WUAF_Darkangel
12-10-2004, 06:14 PM
Wick u fly the Ki-84 1C almost all the time, 2x20mm+2x30mm will shred any airborne target to pieces including the hellcat and f4u-1. If the 1C isn't good enuf the 109Z definitely will be http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_smile.gif.

VMF-214_HaVoK
12-10-2004, 06:18 PM
Well then instead of going by how you feel why dont you post some tracks. Because I find the Corsair to be a rather easy kill once hit. It loses it controls and/or engine right off the bat once hit. As for the Hellcat you should know that Grumman aircraft are amongst the tuffest airplanes built in WW2. You can find many pics as well as videos of damaged aircraft that returned home. From my experience the Hellcat can take a pretty good beating but once the 20mms start landing it doesnt take forever to bring down. Certainly no US aircraft is any tuffer to bring down then the Ki-84 which takes a tremendous amount of damage, sure you can set it ablaze at the wingroot but it often goes out or burns forever and the plane remains a threat.

These are my views and since I have no desire to having anything changed as far as damage modeling goes for anyplane at the moment I feel no need to submit a track to Oleg. But I would suggest you record some tracks and send them to Oleg if you find enough evidence Im sure he would consider changing the DMs. But I highly doubt you will aquire such evidence and suggest you work on your gunnery skills.

Atomic_Marten
12-10-2004, 06:39 PM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by VW-IceFire:
What planes are you using to counter them?

Hellcat and Corsair were reported to be as tough or nearly as tough as the P-47. Thats alot of punishment these birds could take.

I've noticed they take quite a few hits. But having flown and fought them, its not too overdone in most cases. <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

Yes. http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_smile.gif

Voidable
12-10-2004, 06:55 PM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by IIJG2_HWick:
I am loathe to complain about anything in FB/AEP/PF for I love this Sim!
In the latest patch - 3.01m (beta) I - and my squad - find that the d/m of the American planes, in particular the Hellcat and Corsair, are just too much i.e. TOO hard to shoot down. I am not sure why this is...also I don't understand why the new "dot" for aircraft at a distance had to be removed - it was great for game play.
Please may we have the American planes d/m reduced?
S!

Edit - I can see why this place is called the "Ubi Zoo"! I should have added that my letter was meant for Mr. Maddox - it is only his reply I am interested in, not you "experts". http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_smile.gif <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/34.gif http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/cry.gif shut up !

karost
12-10-2004, 07:49 PM
2x20m have a hit power deadly same as mk108 but limit in ammo count at the same way,Zero and KIs weak in D/M but cool in manuever that is.

I/we asked Oleg and Teams to reconsider about mk151/20 (in 109) but seem silent.

Then I stop ask Oleg about that but I ask myself and my friends how to improve effective team tactic, how to improve a nice shotting deadly skill and how to take adventage for the best manuever that stay in side Zero and KIs

then I/we think and try this:
-smart team(wingman) kill is best solution
-stay close with teams
-get close and shoot
-get smart in tactic
-get skills at most

that is all I/we got... to nock D/M in US. plane

oh.. longwolf hutting in Zero and KIs is not a smart tactic.

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WUAF_Badsight
12-10-2004, 08:01 PM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by IIJG2_HWick:
in particular the Hellcat and Corsair, are just too much i.e. TOO hard to shoot down. I am not sure why this is... <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>
not sure huh ?

its called armour dude

the Corsair was like a Thunderbolt for durability , those two A/C should be the most durable fighters in FB/PF for battle damadge

liquid cooled planes like the Spitfire & Mustang & Messerschmitt rightly loose their motor more eaisly

i dont find the Hellcat or the Corsair easy to bust apart either , & this is the way its supposed to be

Bearcat99
12-10-2004, 09:42 PM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by berg417448:

Based upon my experience I can't agree...the FW-190 was (and still is)one of the more difficult planes to down in this game. And it doesn't bother me a bit. <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

I agree...

WWMaxGunz
12-11-2004, 12:33 AM
Yep, must be right. What really convinced me was the careful analysis and tests with
all the screenshots and historic data backing it all up. First class job.... uh-huh.

Not.

NorrisMcWhirter
12-11-2004, 04:45 AM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by Bearcat99:
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by berg417448:

Based upon my experience I can't agree...the FW-190 was (and still is)one of the more difficult planes to down in this game. And it doesn't bother me a bit. <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

I agree... <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

So, you're not familar with the 'small amount of hits to the cowling causing the plane to run out of fuel when there were no fuel tanks there in the first place that went away but now seems to have come back with v3.01+' problem?

And this is common knowledge, not a fabrication - check the recent thread on the matter.

The 190 is tougher than the 109 but that's no measure of toughness.

Cheers,
Norris

Enofinu
12-11-2004, 05:35 AM
Your post has beedn deleted due to the use of the term J**s. We dont use that term here because many Japanese folks have said they find it insulting therefore it is frowned upon. Please refrain from using the term..... type in the next 5 letters and do us all a favor in the future. This is the only warning you will recieve. Thanks in advance for your cooperation... http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/25.gif

Bearcat99
12-11-2004, 07:40 AM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by NorrisMcWhirter:
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by Bearcat99:
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by berg417448:

Based upon my experience I can't agree...the FW-190 was (and still is)one of the more difficult planes to down in this game. And it doesn't bother me a bit. <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

I agree... <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

So, you're not familar with the 'small amount of hits to the cowling causing the plane to run out of fuel when there were no fuel tanks there in the first place that went away but now seems to have come back with v3.01+' problem?

And this is common knowledge, not a fabrication - check the recent thread on the matter.

The 190 is tougher than the 109 but that's no measure of toughness.

Cheers,
Norris <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

This is the first I am hearing about it. I do know tat very often people want to start firing from .75 or greater and wonder why their shots are ineffective... Im not saying that anyone here is doing that because I dont know but... I have seen it......

Copperhead310th
12-11-2004, 08:33 AM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by Enofinu:
Your post has beedn deleted due to the use of the term J**s. We dont use that term here because many Japanese folks have said they find it insulting therefore it is frowned upon. Please refrain from using the term..... type in the next 5 letters and do us all a favor in the future. This is the only warning you will recieve. Thanks in advance for your cooperation... http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/25.gif <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

Umm Hey Bearcat i agree with that...but...
can we start doing the same thing for the people who call Americans Yankees or Yanks?
A term i and a lot of others find very offensive. thank you Sir. :-)

VMF-214_HaVoK
12-11-2004, 02:21 PM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by Enofinu:
Your post has beedn deleted due to the use of the term J**s. We dont use that term here because many Japanese folks have said they find it insulting therefore it is frowned upon. Please refrain from using the term..... type in the next 5 letters and do us all a favor in the future. This is the only warning you will recieve. Than http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_rolleyes.gif ks in advance for your cooperation... http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/25.gif <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

Its ok to use terms such as Ruskies, Yanks, Brits, and Nazis I suppose. Right? Give me a break

IIJG2_HWick
12-11-2004, 03:09 PM
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MEGILE
12-11-2004, 03:20 PM
Wooden BBQs have more use than this thread.

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VW-IceFire
12-11-2004, 03:23 PM
So I went online and started flying with the Corsair F4U-1D (I like to be different and everyone else flys the 1C).

It takes less time to critically damage a Corsair...especially lighting fires, than it does a FW190. So I agree with Bearcat and the other fellow that made that comment. The FW190 difference is that its a very small compact fighter so you can worry less about hitting something important because its more likely that you are no matter what you hit on it. Conversely, the F4U is a large bird...pretty big in the gunsight...you do have to aim your shots on the target to ensure destruction.

As I said in another thread critical areas are:
1) Fuel tank in the upper middle fuselage
2) Outer wings around the area where the wings fold up
3) Engine and cockpit are obvious targets but I say it anyways

faustnik
12-11-2004, 03:39 PM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by VW-IceFire:


As I said in another thread critical areas are:
1) Fuel tank in the upper middle fuselage
2) Outer wings around the area where the wings fold up
3) Engine and cockpit are obvious targets but I say it anyways <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

Eh, cut that out IceFire! http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_mad.gif Don't be so specific.

Korolov
12-11-2004, 04:15 PM
I sense more bad gunnery at work here.

SeaFireLIV
12-11-2004, 04:58 PM
Yawn. People really ought to know that they need more EVIDENCE and FACTS to support their case before appealing to Oleg. Imagine what would happen if Oleg changed everything to how every individual felt a plane could fly or how tough it should be, etc.

Every plane has its pros and cons. Heavy armour, but don`t turn so well, for example. Get some real evidence to back up your claims, pal.

IIJG2_HWick
12-11-2004, 05:08 PM
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VW-IceFire
12-11-2004, 05:11 PM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by Korolov:
I sense more bad gunnery at work here. <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>
It must be...because I spent 2-3 seconds with 6 .50cals to bring down my targets. Multiple F4U-1C's to be found online these days (seems like they are the new Ki-84c http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif) so I had no trouble finding 9 or 10 guys to test my gunnery skills and test the DM modeling.

Again, I ask...what aircraft were you using to bring these planes down? That may tell us alot about how you were able/unable to deal with the Corsair or Hellcat.

Sorry Faustnik...had to prove a point http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_smile.gif

IIJG2_HWick
12-12-2004, 01:54 AM
Goodbye UBIZOO! http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-very-happy.gif http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/53.gif http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/88.gif

Korolov
12-12-2004, 03:07 AM
I tell you one thing Icefire, the A6M5s in coops seem to have no trouble at all.

A6M5 is the IJA uber plane. Be sure. http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/59.gif

Aaron_GT
12-12-2004, 07:25 AM
" Multiple F4U-1C's to be found online these days "

Makes sense - great performance, allied, and a huge punch from the 4 20mm cannon. I expect that when we get the Tempest V it will pick up quite a few devotees too for the same sort of reason (less good roll rate than the F4U, though, about the same as the P51).

Diablo310th
12-12-2004, 07:39 AM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by Enofinu:
Berg, one hit on FW:s wing and you can catch it with any plane game has http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_smile.gif why not same with corsair or other planes, why FW loses SO much of its speed. and why does not US planes try to turn when wing is hit, they keep going like on rail, all the other planes do turn at damaged wing side, badly. cant find that modelled well in US planes. FW loses speed with one .50cal hit on wing, and same time P47 can take 30mm right on wing without problem, still flies on rail etc http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_smile.gif

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I fly a P-47 99% of the time. Let me tell you..it certainly does not fly on a rail when the wings are hit. You LW guys need to fly it some and see. I can see huge wholes in my wings from that uber Mk108 (LOL) and I'm fighting it all the way home to keep ahead of you. Trust me....you have done alot more damage that what you think you are seeing. Just to show you....I have plastered a FW and seen the same things you are saying about the Jug. I don't see them running out of fuel in a few mins. nor do I see severe speed or handling problems. Maybe it's jsut that I'm up against a good pilot that knows how to get teh most from his ac even when damaged. From my side...the FW is jsut as tough as a Jug. Ask any Allied pilot here and you'll hear teh same thing. So I think it's really just teh DM's of most planes.

Ohh yeah...and I'm no Yankee. I'm from cousin marrying hillbillying "ya'll" talking KY. That makes me redneck southern. LOL j/k

VW-IceFire
12-12-2004, 09:08 AM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by Diablo310th:
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by Enofinu:
Berg, one hit on FW:s wing and you can catch it with any plane game has http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_smile.gif why not same with corsair or other planes, why FW loses SO much of its speed. and why does not US planes try to turn when wing is hit, they keep going like on rail, all the other planes do turn at damaged wing side, badly. cant find that modelled well in US planes. FW loses speed with one .50cal hit on wing, and same time P47 can take 30mm right on wing without problem, still flies on rail etc http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_smile.gif

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I fly a P-47 99% of the time. Let me tell you..it certainly does not fly on a rail when the wings are hit. You LW guys need to fly it some and see. I can see huge wholes in my wings from that uber Mk108 (LOL) and I'm fighting it all the way home to keep ahead of you. Trust me....you have done alot more damage that what you think you are seeing. Just to show you....I have plastered a FW and seen the same things you are saying about the Jug. I don't see them running out of fuel in a few mins. nor do I see severe speed or handling problems. Maybe it's jsut that I'm up against a good pilot that knows how to get teh most from his ac even when damaged. From my side...the FW is jsut as tough as a Jug. Ask any Allied pilot here and you'll hear teh same thing. So I think it's really just teh DM's of most planes.

Ohh yeah...and I'm no Yankee. I'm from cousin marrying hillbillying "ya'll" talking KY. That makes me redneck southern. LOL j/k <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>
Yup...you're pretty much right. The Jug will also suffer quite a bit from being hit in the wing. It takes alot of effort to keep her afloat after being hit. I fly all sides so I think I've seen a pretty good level of damage on both sides.

Its about the same between the two in effect...although I think its a bit worse with the FW190 for two reasons. One: In the Jug you can use the aileron trim to help even things out a bit. Two: the super sensitive ailerons on the FW190 make it very easy for the plane to roll over to one side. Its not much of a difference but it makes it a bit harder to hold into place. You can see this on the Yak which has a similarly high roll rate. The aileron trim thing on the P-47 and Mustang are huge advantages in comparison.

p1ngu666
12-12-2004, 11:09 AM
the annoyin thing for me is corsairs rarely loose elivators/rudders etc when hit..
its a tough bird, but its toughness comes from structural strength, like a human...
u try stabing someone with a spear, itll go straight thru em and do damage, but try the same with a turtle, and if u hit the shell, ull get no where...

so, imo corsair and p47 should take damage, but stay in one piece... jammed mg guns, cable hits, controls coming off. they should get u home (depending on damage, ofcouse) but u will be crippled....

the il2 should be like the turtle, apart from the wings and rear fusealarge, aprently rounds would pass harmlessly thru that, another type of toughness, but more crafty http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/59.gif. welligton and swordfish and glad like that with canvas stuff, rounds would mostly pass right thru.. but if they didnt hit anything, u just got some holes in ur fabric http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-happy.gif

WWMaxGunz
12-12-2004, 04:56 PM
If 1C models such parts as fuel pumps, filters and lines then hits to the engine
compartment could well we modelling the emptying of tanks or just non delivery
of fuel to the engine.

faustnik
12-12-2004, 05:25 PM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by WWMaxGunz:
If 1C models such parts as fuel pumps, filters and lines then hits to the engine
compartment could well we modelling the emptying of tanks or just non delivery
of fuel to the engine. <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

Good point Neal. I did discover that not every fuel leak with the 190 is not of the 30 seconds to no gas variety. The key us white vapor or a thin gray smoke trail. White vapor might seal up, thin grey stream and it's get back to base ASAP! Maybe it is damage to a fuel system component that is being modeled.