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Divine-Wind
11-20-2008, 11:57 AM
Yes the title makes as much sense as some named Divine-wind going around yelling buttsecks, but bear (Or did I mean bare?) with me.

So I got tired of the X52's awkward feel, and then realized that as we have tons of stacks of rewritable CD's laying around, we might have some of the foam disc-thingies laying around as well, which I heard can be used to help firm up the X52 stick. (That sounds somewhat awkward now that I think about it) So I found one, and it works alright. Only problem is that sine I had to cut it so I could fit it onto the stick, it now kind of spreads apart whenever pressure is applied, but it feels better. Or at least different.

But I'm sure there's got to be another material I can use, and so I'm wondering if anyone has any suggestions? I also remember reading about people using bottle caps on their sticks... How would one go about preparing one of those? (I imagine scissors probably wouldn't work as well)

Divine-Wind
11-20-2008, 11:57 AM
Yes the title makes as much sense as some named Divine-wind going around yelling buttsecks, but bear (Or did I mean bare?) with me.

So I got tired of the X52's awkward feel, and then realized that as we have tons of stacks of rewritable CD's laying around, we might have some of the foam disc-thingies laying around as well, which I heard can be used to help firm up the X52 stick. (That sounds somewhat awkward now that I think about it) So I found one, and it works alright. Only problem is that sine I had to cut it so I could fit it onto the stick, it now kind of spreads apart whenever pressure is applied, but it feels better. Or at least different.

But I'm sure there's got to be another material I can use, and so I'm wondering if anyone has any suggestions? I also remember reading about people using bottle caps on their sticks... How would one go about preparing one of those? (I imagine scissors probably wouldn't work as well)

SlickStick
11-20-2008, 02:07 PM
Hmmm, last I read, you can use pencil erasers in between coil sections of the spring to make it firmer. You have to add them evenly on each side to keep the tension balance and you may have to trim them to fit.

You want to create notches in them so the spring coils hold them in place as you move the stick.

I did this back in the day when I was poor and needed new coil springs for my old car, but couldn't afford them. I bought these aluminum "knots" that twist in-between the coils of the spring to give it more support.

Ed6269
11-20-2008, 09:55 PM
Can you run a Thrustmaster stick and a x52 throttle? One in each USB port?

Divine-Wind
11-20-2008, 11:07 PM
No idea, as I don't have a Thrustmaster stick on me.

gdfo
11-21-2008, 05:27 AM
I had a couple of U shaped plastic shims that I used under the spring on my X-52 stick. Got them at a local all purpose hardware store. They worked real good. That is until the stick broke.

Where the stick goes into the base it is joined to a metal tube which wires run into. The metal tube is joined to the inner stick by a small piece of plastic.

How about the folks at Saitek get real. It would be so easy for them to obtain a MS stick and take it apart and reverse engineer it, then make a few appropriate changes to make it stronger.
I think the Saitek X-52 joystick is a piece of good looking junk. But, I love the throttle.

JG52Uther
11-21-2008, 05:31 AM
Saitek fix=buy CH! http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_wink.gif

Jex_TE
11-21-2008, 06:15 AM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by Ed6269:
Can you run a Thrustmaster stick and a x52 throttle? One in each USB port? </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

I run my X45 throttle with my SideWinder Precision Pro stick (since my x45 stick is pretty FUBAR'd).

Works great in fact because I mapped the throttle of the Sidewinder to trim http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_smile.gif

steiner562
11-21-2008, 07:23 AM
I remeber MysticPuma posting a thread on how to tighten the spring I did a search and found it,hope it helps.
http://forums.ubi.com/eve/forums/a/tpc/f/23110283/m/387...921026815#8921026815 (http://forums.ubi.com/eve/forums/a/tpc/f/23110283/m/3871006815?r=8921026815#8921026815)

Monterey13
11-21-2008, 07:26 AM
Here is what I did to mine. Works fine.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TYBvO2i0h24

Divine-Wind
11-21-2008, 10:09 AM
Thanks for the suggestions, mates!

Divine-Wind
11-21-2008, 11:27 AM
Thanks for the link, Steiner! I tried MysticPuma's method, albeit with the piece of foam I had used. (Before I had stuck it under the little baseplate that the springs sit on... I'm wondering if maybe that's the wrong spot to put anything under http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-tongue.gif)

Now it feels a lot more like my FFB2. Now if only I could somehow loosen up the rudder a bit...

VMF-214_HaVoK
11-21-2008, 05:29 PM
Best way to fix Saitek? You buy CH products and never look back...seriously. http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_wink.gif

S!

Divine-Wind
11-21-2008, 05:37 PM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by VMF-214_HaVoK:
Best way to fix Saitek? You buy CH products and never look back...seriously. http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_wink.gif

S! </div></BLOCKQUOTE>
I hear that's an excellent way to 'fix' your wallet as well... http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/shady.gif


By the way, does anyone know how to make sure that my ingame sensitivity settings do NOT reset everytime I exit? No matter how many times I set them to 100 across the board, everytime I restart Il-2 they go back to the default setting of 10-100, in increments of 10.

Divine-Wind
11-22-2008, 09:50 AM
Mmkay, got my sensitivity settings finalized, so now it's time for a new gripe!

For several months now my stick has been sqeaking, sort of. Doesn't sound like much of a problem by itself, but lately it's also gotten very jerky around the start of its movement. Eh, that doesn't make much sense, so let me try again:
If I move it around at full deflection, it's smooth and quiet, fine adjustments are easy, etc.
However, at a very low deflection (I.e., about the kind of deflection you would make normal adjustments with), it's squeaky, jerky, and it's very hard to make fine movements, which is just a little detrimental to gunnery.
(It does this with or without the tightened spring, by the way)

So I was wondering if anyone had any tips on how to correct it. (Preferably painfree tips that don't involve dissecting my last good joystick, although if it comes to that, bring on the surgical consults!)
Is it possibly inadequate lubrication?
I can almost 'feel' the parts grating against each other whenever it does squeak, so I'm thinking maybe yes on that?
Or maybe it's just a bad joystick, period?
That would also sound just about right, seeing as how my favorite stick started going wonky last week, my 'special' (Not really special actually) earphones broke the week before, and my MP3 player has been picky about transferring files.

P.FunkAdelic
11-22-2008, 03:41 PM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by VMF-214_HaVoK:
Best way to fix Saitek? You buy CH products and never look back...seriously. http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_wink.gif

S! </div></BLOCKQUOTE>
Do you work for CH? Everytime I see you post its a shameless plug. http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/10.gif

steiner562
11-22-2008, 03:54 PM
Lets not make this a Saitek v CH THING, DW asked for fixes towards the weak spring in the orginal X-52,stay focused on that rather than on other products available.

Divine-Wind
11-22-2008, 04:31 PM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by steiner562:
Lets not make this a Saitek v CH THING, DW asked for fixes towards the weak spring in the orginal X-52,stay focused on that rather than on other products available. </div></BLOCKQUOTE>
Appreciate it, mate http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-happy.gif

albertafox
11-22-2008, 05:14 PM
Turn the spring and see if makes the scraping noise, then the cup. Each by itself.
Check the shaft for scrapes or marks.
Can use lip balm, wax or very thick silicone oil/grease for lubrication.
Clean well before applying new lubrication as the old stuff will be contaminated.


I had some massive problems with my x52pro stick.
Fixed by making my own longer bushing, leveled the spring, removed magnet slider and placed the magnets on the main gear in front of the hall sensor.
The bushing was wore out and the metal cup started to make contact with the shaft.
The outside spring was offset to one side very badly.
The magnets range was causing the stick input sensor to max out 3cm from the end of the sticks movement up, 4cm to the right, -5mm to the bottom(stick could not max the input unless forced) and 1cm to the left. it also eliminated the slop in gears tooth mesh and allowed me to match the stick throw to the sensor at all ranges which drastically increased accuracy and transition from x to y.

I did not even notice the bad range of stick for the longest time till I watched the range movements in one of the 3rd party IL-2 stick programs.

Divine-Wind
11-22-2008, 05:43 PM
Wow, thanks. I guess I have some checking to do then...