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cawimmer430
09-16-2006, 03:55 AM
(14 September 2000, a Komatsu dozer pulled an abandoned tank from its archival tomb under the bottom of a lake near Johvi, Estonia. The Soviet-built T34 tank had been resting at the bottom of the lake for 56 years. It was found that oil was still in the tank, and the Estonian war history club members successfully started the engine.)


WW-II Trophy tank

14 September 2000, a Komatsu D375A-2 pulled an abandoned tank from its archival tomb under the bottom of a lake near Johvi, Estonia. The Soviet-built T34/76A tank had been resting at the bottom of the lake for 56 years. According to its specifications, it's a 27-tonne machine with a top speed of 53km/h.

From February to September 1944, heavy battles were fought in the narrow, 50 km-wide, Narva front in the northeastern part of Estonia. Over 100,000 men were killed and 300,000 men were wounded there. During battles in the summer of 1944, the tank was captured from the Soviet army and used by the German army. (This is the reason that there are German markings painted on the tank's exterior.) On 19 September 1944, German troops began an organised retreat along the Narva front. It is suspected that the tank was then purposefully driven into the lake, abandoning it when its captors left the area.

At that time, a local boy walking by the lake Kurtna Matasjarv noticed tank tracks leading into the lake, but not coming out anywhere. For two months he saw air bubbles emerging from the lake. This gave him reason to believe that there must be an armoured vehicle at the lake's bottom. A few years ago, he told the story to the leader of the local war history club "Otsing". Together with other club members, Mr Igor Shedunov initiated diving expeditions to the bottom of the lake about a year ago. At the depth of 7 metres they discovered the tank resting under a 3-metre layer of peat.

Enthusiasts from the club, under Mr Shedunov's leadership, decided to pull the tank out. In September 2000 they turned to Mr Aleksander Borovkovthe, manager of the Narva open pit of the stock company AS Eesti Polevkivi, to rent the company's Komatsu D375A-2 bulldozer. Currently used at the pit, the Komatsu dozer was manufactured in 1995, and has 19,000 operating hours without major repairs.

The pulling operation began at 09:00 and was concluded at 15:00, with several technical breaks. The weight of the tank, combined with the travel incline, made a pulling operation that required significant muscle. The D375A-2 handled the operation with power and style. The weight of the fully armed tank was around 30 tons, so the tractive force required to retrieve it was similar. A main requirement for the 68-tonne dozer was to have enough weight to prevent shoe-slip while moving up the hill.

After the tank surfaced, it turned out to be a 'trophy' tank, that had been captured by the German army in the course of the battle at Sinimaed (Blue Hills) about six weeks before it was sunk in the lake. Altogether, 116 shells were found on board. Remarkably, the tank was in good condition, with no rust, and all systems (except the engine) in working condition.This is a very rare machine, especially considering that it fought both on the Russian and the German sides. Plans are under way to fully restore the tank. It will be displayed at a war history museum, that will be founded at the Gorodenko village on the left bank of the River Narva.

Looking at the two tracked machines, the modern yellow Komatsu dozer is a reminder of how machine technologies have advanced, and the region's prospects of peace and prosperity have brightened.


Komatsu Times
(Quarterly News Magazine for Construction Equipment Users - Volume 3 No 1)

http://www.mil.hiiumaa.ee/2000_09_14_kurtna_T-34-36/P9140007.jpg

http://www.mil.hiiumaa.ee/2000_09_14_kurtna_T-34-36/P9140011.jpg

http://www.mil.hiiumaa.ee/2000_09_14_kurtna_T-34-36/P9140017.jpg

http://www.mil.hiiumaa.ee/2000_09_14_kurtna_T-34-36/P9140018.jpg

http://www.mil.hiiumaa.ee/2000_09_14_kurtna_T-34-36/P9140022.jpg

http://www.mil.hiiumaa.ee/2000_09_14_kurtna_T-34-36/P9140024.jpg

http://www.mil.hiiumaa.ee/2000_09_14_kurtna_T-34-36/P9140027.jpg

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cawimmer430
09-16-2006, 03:55 AM
(14 September 2000, a Komatsu dozer pulled an abandoned tank from its archival tomb under the bottom of a lake near Johvi, Estonia. The Soviet-built T34 tank had been resting at the bottom of the lake for 56 years. It was found that oil was still in the tank, and the Estonian war history club members successfully started the engine.)


WW-II Trophy tank

14 September 2000, a Komatsu D375A-2 pulled an abandoned tank from its archival tomb under the bottom of a lake near Johvi, Estonia. The Soviet-built T34/76A tank had been resting at the bottom of the lake for 56 years. According to its specifications, it's a 27-tonne machine with a top speed of 53km/h.

From February to September 1944, heavy battles were fought in the narrow, 50 km-wide, Narva front in the northeastern part of Estonia. Over 100,000 men were killed and 300,000 men were wounded there. During battles in the summer of 1944, the tank was captured from the Soviet army and used by the German army. (This is the reason that there are German markings painted on the tank's exterior.) On 19 September 1944, German troops began an organised retreat along the Narva front. It is suspected that the tank was then purposefully driven into the lake, abandoning it when its captors left the area.

At that time, a local boy walking by the lake Kurtna Matasjarv noticed tank tracks leading into the lake, but not coming out anywhere. For two months he saw air bubbles emerging from the lake. This gave him reason to believe that there must be an armoured vehicle at the lake's bottom. A few years ago, he told the story to the leader of the local war history club "Otsing". Together with other club members, Mr Igor Shedunov initiated diving expeditions to the bottom of the lake about a year ago. At the depth of 7 metres they discovered the tank resting under a 3-metre layer of peat.

Enthusiasts from the club, under Mr Shedunov's leadership, decided to pull the tank out. In September 2000 they turned to Mr Aleksander Borovkovthe, manager of the Narva open pit of the stock company AS Eesti Polevkivi, to rent the company's Komatsu D375A-2 bulldozer. Currently used at the pit, the Komatsu dozer was manufactured in 1995, and has 19,000 operating hours without major repairs.

The pulling operation began at 09:00 and was concluded at 15:00, with several technical breaks. The weight of the tank, combined with the travel incline, made a pulling operation that required significant muscle. The D375A-2 handled the operation with power and style. The weight of the fully armed tank was around 30 tons, so the tractive force required to retrieve it was similar. A main requirement for the 68-tonne dozer was to have enough weight to prevent shoe-slip while moving up the hill.

After the tank surfaced, it turned out to be a 'trophy' tank, that had been captured by the German army in the course of the battle at Sinimaed (Blue Hills) about six weeks before it was sunk in the lake. Altogether, 116 shells were found on board. Remarkably, the tank was in good condition, with no rust, and all systems (except the engine) in working condition.This is a very rare machine, especially considering that it fought both on the Russian and the German sides. Plans are under way to fully restore the tank. It will be displayed at a war history museum, that will be founded at the Gorodenko village on the left bank of the River Narva.

Looking at the two tracked machines, the modern yellow Komatsu dozer is a reminder of how machine technologies have advanced, and the region's prospects of peace and prosperity have brightened.


Komatsu Times
(Quarterly News Magazine for Construction Equipment Users - Volume 3 No 1)

http://www.mil.hiiumaa.ee/2000_09_14_kurtna_T-34-36/P9140007.jpg

http://www.mil.hiiumaa.ee/2000_09_14_kurtna_T-34-36/P9140011.jpg

http://www.mil.hiiumaa.ee/2000_09_14_kurtna_T-34-36/P9140017.jpg

http://www.mil.hiiumaa.ee/2000_09_14_kurtna_T-34-36/P9140018.jpg

http://www.mil.hiiumaa.ee/2000_09_14_kurtna_T-34-36/P9140022.jpg

http://www.mil.hiiumaa.ee/2000_09_14_kurtna_T-34-36/P9140024.jpg

http://www.mil.hiiumaa.ee/2000_09_14_kurtna_T-34-36/P9140027.jpg

More pics here: http://www.carspin.net/forums/general-talk/56-year-old-...it-still-runs.0.html (http://www.carspin.net/forums/general-talk/56-year-old-soviet-tank-raised-from-bottom-of-lake-and-it-still-runs.0.html)

Immermann
09-16-2006, 04:23 AM
Old news, but still interresting.

Been posted allready though a few times.

leitmotiv
09-16-2006, 04:43 AM
What a vehicle! The Russians could use this as an ad for their tanks! (Exactly like the ancient Volkswagon ads in the USA about forty years ago).

OldMan____
09-16-2006, 05:23 AM
No issue. Luck Skywalker X-Wing passed through the same in dagobbah and still worked :P Maybe X-wing are russian made...

luftluuver
09-16-2006, 05:42 AM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by OldMan____:
No issue. Luck Skywalker X-Wing passed through the same in dagobbah and still worked :P Maybe X-wing are russian made... </div></BLOCKQUOTE>Can't be as X-wings were the 'good guys'. http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_wink.gif http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_smile.gif

cawimmer430
09-16-2006, 06:02 AM
Sorry if this was posted before. http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_smile.gif

NagaSadow84
09-16-2006, 06:16 AM
Probably belonged to Beute-Panzer-Kompanie 285 of 300. Infanterie-Division.

Old_Canuck
09-16-2006, 09:01 PM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by cawimmer430:
Sorry if this was posted before. http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_smile.gif </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

A lot of people have never seen it before so thanks for posting http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_smile.gif

slo_1_2_3
09-16-2006, 09:40 PM
I've seen it before also but its still cool,after sitting in mud for almost 60 years it ran and was hardly rusty

jensenpark
09-16-2006, 09:49 PM
I'm with Old Canuck...

Thanks for posting.

Saw this a while back - but didn't really take the time to look closely at it.

Too cool.

mortoma1958
09-16-2006, 10:29 PM
Contrary to popular belief, this is no great testimony as to the ruggedness of Russian tanks.
In actuality, anything buried in peat that deep at the bottom of a lake like that would have been preserved very well. Seems that the layers of rotten peat pretty much deplete all of the oxygen from around such objects and preserve them perfectly, especially the metal parts.

james_ander
09-17-2006, 06:48 AM
New to me....Thanks!

WOODY01
09-17-2006, 06:57 AM
And me, thanks for posting it, thats awsome!

Wurkeri
09-17-2006, 07:37 AM
Cool, I have friends in J√¬∂hvi and visited there last spring but heard nothing about this. Thanks, for posting the story and pictures.

cawimmer430
09-17-2006, 07:47 AM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by Old_Canuck:
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by cawimmer430:
Sorry if this was posted before. http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_smile.gif </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

A lot of people have never seen it before so thanks for posting http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_smile.gif </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

Ah I am good for something after all. http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif

Sergio_101
09-17-2006, 08:05 AM
But it does not run.

SeaFireLIV
09-17-2006, 08:18 AM
I think I said before how scary it was to to see that think sit there as good as as it was 60 years ago. Even more poignant for the blackcross showing the jerrys had a hand on it!