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Aimosika
01-26-2007, 02:49 PM
Well, in Finnish airforce Yes http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_smile.gif
http://i155.photobucket.com/albums/s296/ilaafi/luukkanen2.jpg

This is Capt. Luukkanen with his Brewster.
Beer bottle labels as an kill marks? Not perhaps possible in USSR? Humour was not legal in communism, what about RAF? http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_smile.gif

Edit: Actually, could have this been possible in any ww2 airforce but in FAF http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_smile.gif

Aimosika
01-26-2007, 02:49 PM
Well, in Finnish airforce Yes http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_smile.gif
http://i155.photobucket.com/albums/s296/ilaafi/luukkanen2.jpg

This is Capt. Luukkanen with his Brewster.
Beer bottle labels as an kill marks? Not perhaps possible in USSR? Humour was not legal in communism, what about RAF? http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_smile.gif

Edit: Actually, could have this been possible in any ww2 airforce but in FAF http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_smile.gif

SlickStick
01-26-2007, 03:05 PM
Wow, ya know sometimes this game gives a false perspective on the relative sizes of the planes. The Brewster always looks so tiny to me in-game, but seeing that pilot standing next to the tail of one, really shows how chubby that fat little plane was. http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-very-happy.gif

I used to use beer labels for recording "kills", but it was to indicate how many I drank while flying, not how many I shot down. http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/winky.gif

roybaty
01-26-2007, 03:09 PM
Nah he's just tiny http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_wink.gif.

Aimosika
01-26-2007, 03:25 PM
Yeah, its a nick for Brewster, flyin beer barrel, we Finns like it a lot http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_smile.gif

And it is still the BEST American plane type ever with kill ratio 26:1 http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_smile.gif)

And never single plane can achieve that ever anymore.

Brewsters were credited with 496 Soviet and German aircraft destroyed, against the loss of 19 Brewsters: a victory ratio of 26:1

http://www.virtualpilots.fi/hist/kuvat/ww2history-win01.jpg

CAF96th_Sillyak
01-26-2007, 04:06 PM
f-22 has a crazy simulated combat ratio of something like 96:1

NonWonderDog
01-26-2007, 04:08 PM
Ehh...

The F-15 has a kill ratio of 104:0, you know? That's in real combat, too.

I guess it's 104:1 if you count the Japanese one lost in a training accident, but that's the only one that's ever been shot down.

boxmike
01-26-2007, 04:15 PM
Did not know that. You just gave me an idea to cover my boring looking PC. Now to online servers...How many labels have I wasted http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/blink.gif

Rgds,
- box

Aimosika
01-26-2007, 04:50 PM
Single The F-15 how many kills?

And I believe Israelies have handled F-15 quite well, not US http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_wink.gif

Seen one F-15 with 5 kills. No more.

Single BW-393 credited with 41 kills.

BrewsterPilot
01-26-2007, 04:54 PM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by NonWonderDog:
Ehh...

The F-15 has a kill ratio of 104:0, you know? That's in real combat, too.

I guess it's 104:1 if you count the Japanese one lost in a training accident, but that's the only one that's ever been shot down. </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

F-15s have been lost, F-15Es in the Gulf War II, a couple other F-15As and F-15Ds here and there, but the USAF and manufacturer has only ever claimed no F-15Cs lost in combat, which remains true.

Aimosika
01-26-2007, 05:04 PM
But now all the Main Question missing already:

Freedom of USAF, RAF, etc could they put beer bottle labels as an kills to the tail markings http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_smile.gif ?

Sergio_101
01-26-2007, 05:05 PM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by BrewsterPilot:
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by NonWonderDog:
Ehh...

The F-15 has a kill ratio of 104:0, you know? That's in real combat, too.

I guess it's 104:1 if you count the Japanese one lost in a training accident, but that's the only one that's ever been shot down. </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

F-15s have been lost, F-15Es in the Gulf War II, a couple other F-15As and F-15Ds here and there, but the USAF and manufacturer has only ever claimed no F-15Cs lost in combat, which remains true. </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

No F-15 has ever been lost to hostile fire in air to air combat.

Sergio

BrewsterPilot
01-26-2007, 05:10 PM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by Sergio_101:
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by BrewsterPilot:
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by NonWonderDog:
Ehh...

The F-15 has a kill ratio of 104:0, you know? That's in real combat, too.

I guess it's 104:1 if you count the Japanese one lost in a training accident, but that's the only one that's ever been shot down. </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

F-15s have been lost, F-15Es in the Gulf War II, a couple other F-15As and F-15Ds here and there, but the USAF and manufacturer has only ever claimed no F-15Cs lost in combat, which remains true. </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

No F-15 has ever been lost to hostile fire in air to air combat.

Sergio </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

Ground to air = lost in combat, no?

DIRTY-MAC
01-26-2007, 05:52 PM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by NonWonderDog:
Ehh...

The F-15 has a kill ratio of 104:0, you know? That's in real combat, too.

I guess it's 104:1 if you count the Japanese one lost in a training accident, but that's the only one that's ever been shot down. </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

doh! have you ever thought why? http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_rolleyes.gif

Sergio_101
01-27-2007, 10:48 AM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by DIRTY-MAC:
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by NonWonderDog:
Ehh...

The F-15 has a kill ratio of 104:0, you know? That's in real combat, too.

I guess it's 104:1 if you count the Japanese one lost in a training accident, but that's the only one that's ever been shot down. </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

doh! have you ever thought why? http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_rolleyes.gif </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

Yup, I have. It's because Russian panes suck.

Sergio

ViktorViktor
01-27-2007, 10:53 AM
The happy faces are supposed to be beer-bottle labels, right ? What's the beer called ?

I know some Finns, so I will check your story out, be sure.

I also have a copy of Double Knight Fighter, and will check the photos in there.

P.S. - if the Finnish Air Force had so much freedom, why didn't they paint pictures of scantily-clad women on their planes instead, like the Americans did ? That's freeedom.

P.P.S - Everyone knows that the Happy Face was invented in the U.S. in the 70's.

Aimosika
01-27-2007, 01:41 PM
The beer is Lahden Erikois Olut. Lahti special beer. Weakest and nearest to "****in close to water" finnish (american) beer to my taste. Productio ceased few years ago.

Yeah, but whole squadron insignia was "Farting Elk", that is perhaps humour too http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_smile.gif

http://www.warbirdforum.com/372.htm

KaleunFreddie
01-27-2007, 02:47 PM
Those extras from just above his knees down... Is that the early G-Suit that was invented around early 1940's ??

WarWolfe_1
01-27-2007, 05:23 PM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by Sergio_101:
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by DIRTY-MAC:
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by NonWonderDog:
Ehh...

The F-15 has a kill ratio of 104:0, you know? That's in real combat, too.

I guess it's 104:1 if you count the Japanese one lost in a training accident, but that's the only one that's ever been shot down. </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

doh! have you ever thought why? http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_rolleyes.gif </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

Yup, I have. It's because Russian panes suck.

Sergio </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

Because Russian pilots are always drunk on Vodka, they don't know what a beer is http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/winky.gif

Marcel_Albert
01-27-2007, 05:38 PM
Actually Russian planes are very good planes .... and their pilots are very good too .

The ratio is because the F-15 has always been used against weak opposition with seriously outdated planes and very small airforce , in conflicts where the opposition has no chance whatsoever to rivalize , as usual these days .

Pit the F-15 against the recent Sukhoi , Rafale , Grippen , Eurofighter , Mirage-5 , in equal numbers then things might be well balanced if not different .

My favourite is the F-22 and Rafale anyway .. one for its furtivty , the other for its agility and design , but nowadays , all planes are about equal , it's the electronics that makes the difference http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_wink.gif

The-Pizza-Man
01-27-2007, 08:17 PM
The Su-27 is undefeated in air to air combat IIRC.

LStarosta
01-27-2007, 08:37 PM
Nor is the Cessna 152.

Ugly_Kid
01-28-2007, 05:30 AM
152 has even better record it penetrated the whole Russian air defences and landed on red square.

BrewsterPilot
01-28-2007, 05:46 AM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by Ugly_Kid:
152 has even better record it penetrated the whole Russian air defences and landed on red square. </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

LoL the West German guy who flew from Finland, no? http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/53.gif

tomtheyak
01-28-2007, 06:06 AM
http://www.flying-club-conington.co.uk/gifs/152_3.jpg

CESSNA 152 FTW!!!111! http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/35.gif

HotelBushranger
01-28-2007, 06:10 AM
Man that brings back memories of my EFTC...lol 152's are good planes. Can't wait till I get my GFPT and take my mates up with me http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/784.gif

Friendly_flyer
01-28-2007, 07:04 AM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by Aimosika:
This is Capt. Luukkanen with his Brewster.
Beer bottle labels as an kill marks? Not perhaps possible in USSR? Humour was not legal in communism, what about RAF?
</div></BLOCKQUOTE>

No, this would be something only Finns would do. I have only known a few, but they are a breed apart.

Neat idea, though. I think I would like to start a Finnish campaign and mark my personal skins with beer labels every time I shoot down a Russian plane.

Sergio_101
01-28-2007, 07:07 AM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by The-Pizza-Man:
The Su-27 is undefeated in air to air combat IIRC. </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

So is the F-22........

It's all a moot point. The age of fighter pilots
in a cockpit is ending.
A team on pimple faced nerds will soon crew
fighters of the future.
No black outs, no G limits. No losses in human terms.
Just lethal killing machines flown from a safe
distance. I can imagine the future as a mission
commander, a weapon system commander for each plane
and a team of four or five watching every system
and flying the plane. The entire squadron in the same room.
"Wonder Woman View" will be a reality.
Full 360x360 view and heads up display
for the pilot.
Sort of a "Track IR" from HELL.

Not hard to imagine. Mach5+ fighters that can
sustain a 30G turn and have the sensary
perception of a trained team!

Kind of a mini version of a SR-71 crossed with a F-16.
No extra weight for pressurising, no ejection seat(s).
Just a powerplant and some electronics and
of course weapons.

For high value targets the Kamakazi attack can
be used with no loss of life (except the enemy).
All this while ordering out for Pizzas.

New chip tech released this week is making the computer
world turn inside out. The brave new world of
pilotless combat planes is already here. Smaller
smarter electronics will make George Orwell's 1984
look more like a fairy tale.

It may soon be raining cameras. Can't run, can't hide.
Goverments will always know where you are and what your doing.

There is a sinister element to a pilotless combat plane.
No risk, just cold blooded murder.

Technology is just starting to scare me. Really scare me.

Sergio

XyZspineZyX
01-28-2007, 07:33 AM
Flanker's a pretty damn nice plane. Assuming other countries can't make aircraft got the US in a bit of trouble back in the '40s and we learned that lesson very well

Kill marks:

In the RAF, there were Regulations about King's Property

In the USAAC/USAAF, pretty much anything went for a while

A lot of US soldiers drank beer/wine/what have you because they distrusted local water to the point they wouldn't touch it

harryklein66
01-28-2007, 07:55 AM
The F/O D.W.A. Stones from the 79 Sq. was marking his Kill
by painting chamberpot.

LEBillfish
01-28-2007, 09:35 AM
<span class="ev_code_YELLOW">Take your A.D.D. meds guys...</span>

Beer/Brewsters/Finns......Mean to say none of you can recall any of the numerous beer/booze related tidbits from WWII?

WarWolfe_1
01-28-2007, 10:01 AM
Billfish, your AV is making me woozey http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/53.gif

LStarosta
01-28-2007, 10:33 AM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by HotelBushranger:
Man that brings back memories of my EFTC...lol 152's are good planes. Can't wait till I get my GFPT and take my mates up with me http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/784.gif </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

You mean "mate", as in the singular.