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SeaNorris
06-18-2005, 02:54 PM
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One of the most famous French Fighter Aces of WW2 - fought in the RAF . He is still alive and wrote an excellent book "Le Grand Cirque" (in french) or "The Big Show" (in english) revealing the very details of his long fighting experiences as well as those of his colleagues . It is worth reading these unique books for their thrilling details of air combat , the atmosphere of the life in fighter squadrons mingled with the deepest of emotions . Additionally Clostermann's work stands well as a good historical source of certain details for which no other evidence exists

He flew with Spitfires Mk Vb , VII , IX and Tempest Mk V fighting mainly against Fw190s and Me262s

He later joined De Gaull's party after the war , became a PM in France , was involved commercially with general aviation , wrote another 2 books related to the WW2 and the Algerian War, as well as ...fishing .

The only child of French parents born on the 28th of February 1921 in Brazil . When he was still 9 he was sent to Paris to study . It was in 1935 who first took himself in the air aboard hydroplanes at Biscaros SE France near a vacation place . He became immediately fond of flying . When back to Brazil he joins a local flying club . By the force of destiny he is instructed by a German named Karl Benitz , an already famous air acrobat , who will eventually become an enemy pilot to P.H. Clostermann during the war . he gets his license on the 27th 1937 and in 1938 he takes a scholarship to study to the Air College of Engineers 'Ryan' in USA . In parallel he flies as a commercial pilot in San Diego California .

At the outbreak of WW2 he tries to join the French air force but he is considered too young to fly at the time . So he has to continue his studies but in March 1942 when he is 21 he takes his chances and joins the FAFL ( Forces A√∆í‚©riennes des Fran√∆í‚ßais Libres) the Free French Air Force under the British RAF in Squadron 'Alsace' commanded by another famous French fighter Rene Mouchotte .

His joined as an NCO and his friends will call him "Clo-Clo" .

He will be detached later to the RAF Sq. 602 with a mixture of British and foreign pilots in RAF . They fly with Spitfires V and specialise on ground attacks over occupied France .

After having achieved a good number of kills in 2 years due to the stress and effort , he is grounded for health reasons . He insists to return to the active duty and despite the will of general De Gaull not to jeopardize the life of such a prominent French fighter he is sent to Holland , the base of Volkel , already trained on the Tempest Mk V , the top RAF fighetr of its time. He was first posted to the 274 squadron (code-letters JJ, and flying in the Tempest JJ-W) from February to March 1945, then he just flew some few missions with the 56 squadron (code-letters US, flying on a Tempest coded US-G and another US-W) from mid-March to the begining of April 1945, and finally was posted to the 3rd squadron (code-letters JF, flying two JF-E, serial NV 994 and NV 724) as a squadron leader until the end of the war, on 8 may 1945. The three squadrons belonged to the 122 Wing. In the last weeks of the war, he was posted as provisional Wing Leader of 122 until the arrival of the next official Wing Leader

At the end of the war he had achieved the following victories :

In the air he shot down :

19 FW-190

7 ME-109

2 Dornier 24

1 Fieseler 156

1 JU-252

1 JU-88

1 JU-290

1 Heinkel 111



On the ground he destroyed :

7 JU 88

6 DO-18

4 HE-177

2 Arado 323

1 JU-252

1 Blom-Voss

Add to it some 72 locomotives , 5 tanks , 1 submarine and 2 destroyers

He was awarded the DFC Distinguished Flying Cross and DSO Distinguished Service Order

The last paragraph of his book "The Great Circus" is representative of the spirit of those days and stands as 'a grand finale' of an heroic era :

"The Circus is over. The public was satisfied . The menu was rich and not so bad , except that the lions have torn apart the tamer.

We'll remember them again later and even when all will be forgotten , the music , the fireworks and their nice costumes , at the center of the square the trace of the big tent will remain , until the following rain shall erase it for ever.

My friends that survived the Big Circus have , luckily , not realised it - me neither for that matter- and that will be our final reward."

SeaNorris
06-18-2005, 02:54 PM
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And The Profile by Briyeo:
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v30/briyeo/Copyoftempestengineshow.jpg

http://www.skinnersheaven.com

One of the most famous French Fighter Aces of WW2 - fought in the RAF . He is still alive and wrote an excellent book "Le Grand Cirque" (in french) or "The Big Show" (in english) revealing the very details of his long fighting experiences as well as those of his colleagues . It is worth reading these unique books for their thrilling details of air combat , the atmosphere of the life in fighter squadrons mingled with the deepest of emotions . Additionally Clostermann's work stands well as a good historical source of certain details for which no other evidence exists

He flew with Spitfires Mk Vb , VII , IX and Tempest Mk V fighting mainly against Fw190s and Me262s

He later joined De Gaull's party after the war , became a PM in France , was involved commercially with general aviation , wrote another 2 books related to the WW2 and the Algerian War, as well as ...fishing .

The only child of French parents born on the 28th of February 1921 in Brazil . When he was still 9 he was sent to Paris to study . It was in 1935 who first took himself in the air aboard hydroplanes at Biscaros SE France near a vacation place . He became immediately fond of flying . When back to Brazil he joins a local flying club . By the force of destiny he is instructed by a German named Karl Benitz , an already famous air acrobat , who will eventually become an enemy pilot to P.H. Clostermann during the war . he gets his license on the 27th 1937 and in 1938 he takes a scholarship to study to the Air College of Engineers 'Ryan' in USA . In parallel he flies as a commercial pilot in San Diego California .

At the outbreak of WW2 he tries to join the French air force but he is considered too young to fly at the time . So he has to continue his studies but in March 1942 when he is 21 he takes his chances and joins the FAFL ( Forces A√∆í‚©riennes des Fran√∆í‚ßais Libres) the Free French Air Force under the British RAF in Squadron 'Alsace' commanded by another famous French fighter Rene Mouchotte .

His joined as an NCO and his friends will call him "Clo-Clo" .

He will be detached later to the RAF Sq. 602 with a mixture of British and foreign pilots in RAF . They fly with Spitfires V and specialise on ground attacks over occupied France .

After having achieved a good number of kills in 2 years due to the stress and effort , he is grounded for health reasons . He insists to return to the active duty and despite the will of general De Gaull not to jeopardize the life of such a prominent French fighter he is sent to Holland , the base of Volkel , already trained on the Tempest Mk V , the top RAF fighetr of its time. He was first posted to the 274 squadron (code-letters JJ, and flying in the Tempest JJ-W) from February to March 1945, then he just flew some few missions with the 56 squadron (code-letters US, flying on a Tempest coded US-G and another US-W) from mid-March to the begining of April 1945, and finally was posted to the 3rd squadron (code-letters JF, flying two JF-E, serial NV 994 and NV 724) as a squadron leader until the end of the war, on 8 may 1945. The three squadrons belonged to the 122 Wing. In the last weeks of the war, he was posted as provisional Wing Leader of 122 until the arrival of the next official Wing Leader

At the end of the war he had achieved the following victories :

In the air he shot down :

19 FW-190

7 ME-109

2 Dornier 24

1 Fieseler 156

1 JU-252

1 JU-88

1 JU-290

1 Heinkel 111



On the ground he destroyed :

7 JU 88

6 DO-18

4 HE-177

2 Arado 323

1 JU-252

1 Blom-Voss

Add to it some 72 locomotives , 5 tanks , 1 submarine and 2 destroyers

He was awarded the DFC Distinguished Flying Cross and DSO Distinguished Service Order

The last paragraph of his book "The Great Circus" is representative of the spirit of those days and stands as 'a grand finale' of an heroic era :

"The Circus is over. The public was satisfied . The menu was rich and not so bad , except that the lions have torn apart the tamer.

We'll remember them again later and even when all will be forgotten , the music , the fireworks and their nice costumes , at the center of the square the trace of the big tent will remain , until the following rain shall erase it for ever.

My friends that survived the Big Circus have , luckily , not realised it - me neither for that matter- and that will be our final reward."

ICDP
06-18-2005, 03:15 PM
Looks beautifull SeaNorris. Outstanding work and from scratch too http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_smile.gif

Feathered_IV
06-18-2005, 05:39 PM
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Downloading now........

Got it! http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/11.gif

jugent
06-19-2005, 02:00 AM
Its a great book as fiction but dont draw any conclusion about the historical correctness.

Jasko76
06-19-2005, 02:01 AM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by jugent:
Its a great book as fiction but dont draw any conclusion about the historical correctness. </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

Fiction? These are his memoirs!

WTE_Ibis
06-19-2005, 02:40 AM
A great read and a true account of how it was.
His description of his first flight in a Spitfire is memorable as are his emotions at wars end.
If you haven't read it beg,borrow or steal it.No
just buy it or borrow it.
Cheers, Ibis.

bazzaah2
06-19-2005, 03:10 AM
that's really nice work.

One thing though, has anyone ever noticed the resemblance between the front end of the Tempest and Biffer Bacon from Viz?

Bussard_1
06-19-2005, 03:36 AM
Sea Norris,
That's sweet,thanks.

F19_Ob
06-19-2005, 03:55 AM
It will probably wipe Messers and Fokkers from the sky when and if it becomes flyable. http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/34.gif

Feathered_IV
06-19-2005, 04:09 AM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">One thing though, has anyone ever noticed the resemblance between the front end of the Tempest and Biffer Bacon from Viz? </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

Now that you mention it... http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/88.gif

Monty_Thrud
06-19-2005, 10:53 AM
Excellent work SeaNorris.. http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/25.gif..anychance of an unmarked version..i know i ask alot http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_smile.gif

ER!..cant find the folder...?!


LOL..Jugent, you have a good sense of humour http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/59.gif

VW-IceFire
06-19-2005, 12:04 PM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by jugent:
Its a great book as fiction but dont draw any conclusion about the historical correctness. </div></BLOCKQUOTE>
Sorry...what?

CORTO.M
06-19-2005, 02:29 PM
It is not a Skin made by SeaNorris.

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TooMuchCheese
06-19-2005, 03:53 PM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by F19_Ob:
It will probably wipe Messers and Fokkers from the sky when and if it becomes flyable. http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/34.gif </div></BLOCKQUOTE>


Nice to see a balanced view of the Tempest's abilities.
You obviously have a thing about "Messers and Fokkers", I presume by "Messer" , you are referring to Messerschmitt 109, 110 etc, but which Fokker are you referring to in the game? I don't recall seeing any yet, and certainly no flyable Fokkers.

And BTW ...no it won't, it will be as vulnerable or superior as ANY aircraft flown to the best or worst of its abilities...period.