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XyZspineZyX
09-19-2003, 09:51 PM
I know this is not directly related with FB but what the hell.
I'm holding my breath and crossing my fingers it's going to be good.
I doubt of course it's going to be that clearcut from the biginning since it's a 64bit and needs software and hardware support.
I only spend 100? on a new cpu every time and then wait till a cpu with the same money but double the processing power is available.
I'll probably have to wait till the summer 2004 for double my current 1800+ horsepower at 100 euros I suppose.
But damn if it's going to be anything other than an AMD.
I hope they are still around by then...


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XyZspineZyX
09-19-2003, 09:51 PM
I know this is not directly related with FB but what the hell.
I'm holding my breath and crossing my fingers it's going to be good.
I doubt of course it's going to be that clearcut from the biginning since it's a 64bit and needs software and hardware support.
I only spend 100? on a new cpu every time and then wait till a cpu with the same money but double the processing power is available.
I'll probably have to wait till the summer 2004 for double my current 1800+ horsepower at 100 euros I suppose.
But damn if it's going to be anything other than an AMD.
I hope they are still around by then...


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XyZspineZyX
09-20-2003, 07:25 AM
Actually not bad considering the Microsoft boys have already implemented its base towards the 64 chips and have so over the past year.(notice XP service packages and support for 64 bit?)
As for clock speeds your looking roughly at the speeds of the 1.8 range and slower from the XP64 (which should not be a determining factor) BUT the level 1 and 2 cache is well over the current hyperthreading technology Intel is currently offering
Many AMD enthusiasts have benchmarked to get the 64 on the boards and have found it to be around the same level or lower in terms of frame rates and useful gaming applications. More or less it is an expensive proposition to purchase "head first" then become disapponted at the results.
Hyperthreading is kind of an answer to utilizing 1 processor and "spliting it in half" do be recognised as two 400 mhz processors. The two lines are more in sync with server applications as many articles write.
Gaming is not a really big concern in the processor industry, because it is easier to sell a corporation "X" amounts of PC's in bulk. Thus the reason you pay a premium for specific gaming machines with all the bells and whistles tweeked to your desire.
I have both AMD. ATI , INTEL and NVIDIA machines. I like the AMD Barton XP3000 and enjoy the ATI 9700 pro (yet It for some reason has its share of problems in Forgotten Battles) ATI is a great card yet it for me seems to give me more problems.
The INTEL 2.53 is a fantastic overall processor and the Ti 4600 is flexible and hastle free. As for this game I choose the INTEL NVIDIA combo for stability, (Irony is I am stbborn as heck and Know the XP and ATI are benchmarked faster but I use that system instead)
Lots of choices and newer technology never guarantees anything. Your dough but make sure you find unbiased reports towards your decisions.

XyZspineZyX
09-20-2003, 07:59 AM
Like your XP1800 I have an XP1900.

I will probably buy a XP2600 (to bide my time) for $100 before I make the jump to Athalon64 (in Q2 2004)

It has no FSB so the latencies are greatly reduced. I am expecting great things. Early benchmarks already have it as good or better than a P4 3.2. With no FSB it will be extremely snappy, with much less latencies than the Pentium.

I am also looking forward to the next generation chipset for it from Nvidia. (not the current Nforce3). It will have support for 7.1 sound (current Soundstorm is better than Creative for games) and it will have "NVRaid" You gotta love Nvidia. I would not consider switching to Intel now simply because I would be forced to buy a Creative card, and deal with all their sound bugs in IL2/FB and other games. (however there are rumors that Nvidia is pursuing a license with Intel to make a chipset for prescott)

The Athalon64 is going to be real cool. Intel is quivering in their boots, releasing a P4 with more cache out of desperation. Hyperthreading is just a gimmick. there is still only 1 processor.

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XyZspineZyX
09-20-2003, 08:08 AM
sorry rbj, try a hyperthreading chip and you will know. Still only one chip, but if you ever run more than one program at once you will see a real nice boost, also IL2 takes advantage of it so it gives a nice boost there. And as for creative sh!t, I do agree with ya on that, but my solution is to run my Philips Acoustic Edge. And about Intel quivering, even if AMD could make the fastest processors in the world they dont have enough capacity to take more than 20% of the market. Kinda reminds me of them crafty germans. Intel may make some mistakes sometimes, but it has size and power like no other.

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XyZspineZyX
09-20-2003, 08:14 AM
Ok so Hyperthreading does have it's advantages. It's like you could be walking through a forest in a game and the rendering of the trees will not have to mix with the AI routines.

Right now, it comes down to would you rather have Hyperthreading, or the elimination of the FSB?

The bottom line is performance in games, and we shall see.

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XyZspineZyX
09-20-2003, 08:22 AM
A Hyperthreading Intel chip doubles what the same speed AMD chip does in FB.Intel really worked hard on getting hyperthreading running with FB and it shows.

Im gonna stay with AMd2500barton and the AbitNF7S motherboard.Overclocks easy to 3200 and with a Gig of ram Im set for awhile,I hope/i/smilies/16x16_smiley-happy.gif


RBJ I also read an article that states that the Nforce chipset sound is about 10fps faster than an Audigy2.Thats a major difference!


Message Edited on 09/20/0303:24AM by Wolfstriked

XyZspineZyX
09-20-2003, 10:01 AM
Wolfstriked this is what I wanted to do too, get an XP 2500+ and overclock.
Great value for money.
Unfortunately my QDI mobo missed the compatibility with the Bartons so I'll have to get a new one as well.
So I'll leave it.
When I get a new mobo I'm thinking of getting one with RAID and two hard disks for max performance.
As for Hyperthreading I think it's cool for someone for example who is encoding video and decides to speed up the process by moving on to another project simultaneously or something like that.
It looks like it's going to get more support in the near future.
But I'm not going to pay for Intel's advertising unless I have no alternative.
I get better bang for the buck from AMD as it is.
I think if you are looking to buy absolutely the fastest out there or know nothing about computers you go for Intel.
They have the fastest cpu and they have the brand people recognise.
But if you know a thing or two and are looking to get the highest possible proccessing power for a reasonable amount of money you can't buy anything other than an AMD now.
Of course if you can get a Pentium at 1.8 Gig that overclocks to 3.0 with no increase in voltage then...

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XyZspineZyX
09-20-2003, 10:27 AM
I enjoy my p4 2.8 GHz/800 fbs/i/smilies/16x16_robot-happy.gif

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XyZspineZyX
09-20-2003, 01:39 PM
I have the first report in front of me

Although current games do not use the advantage of 64bit code and the Windows64 version is far away:

The advantage of 1MB cache (compared to Athlon XP's 512kb) seems to be significant.

Compared to a widely sold reference model P4/2,6 the top of the range Athlon 64 FX-51 was rated 43% faster in working performance.

It was also rated 50% faster than an Athlon XP 3000+ in games performance (150fps vs 101fps)

So the really good news is that P4 and Athlon XP systems will become a lot cheaper soon He He !


Systems with the Athlon64 3200+, 512Mb, 160Gb, Ati9800 etc are about 1500 Euros = USD here.

XyZspineZyX
09-20-2003, 01:43 PM
The Athalon64 blows everything away.

64bit option is just the icing on the cake.

Microsoft will have the 64 bit version of Windows available in December/January.

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XyZspineZyX
09-20-2003, 07:59 PM
I am an AMD guy, eversince the AMD K6 came out. The thing is that this is new technology and like everything, it will start off as expensive and buggy, I rather wait and do as RBJ said, get an XP2500 or so and wait until prices drop and new revisions of mobos come out before I invest in them. But, definitelly AMD's new 64 bit will be on my machine in the future!



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XyZspineZyX
09-20-2003, 08:09 PM
i remmber some lame intel ad had dl ya email and play online with no performance loss or some bs about ht

cos like, u wont time out and lag to smeg?

im a amd man, intel is a nasty company :\
i really doubt ht doubles il2 performance, unless il2 is increadably badly coded and biased to dualys. so then dig out dualy 64 /i/smilies/16x16_smiley-very-happy.gif /i/smilies/16x16_smiley-very-happy.gif /i/smilies/16x16_smiley-very-happy.gif