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Ijnpilot
11-16-2005, 06:52 AM
I was just thinking about how flight simming in some ways is like reenacting. A lot of us want the experience of flying a real plane without actually doing so. In the process we obtain joysticks, rudder pedals, throttle controls, and a slew of other accessories to make the experience "authentic". Has anyone here actually taken it so far as to obtain either a vintage or reproduction flight suit of any nation to get "full real"?

Ijnpilot
11-16-2005, 06:52 AM
I was just thinking about how flight simming in some ways is like reenacting. A lot of us want the experience of flying a real plane without actually doing so. In the process we obtain joysticks, rudder pedals, throttle controls, and a slew of other accessories to make the experience "authentic". Has anyone here actually taken it so far as to obtain either a vintage or reproduction flight suit of any nation to get "full real"?

gthgrrl4game
11-16-2005, 08:10 AM
That would difficult for me to find one to fit.
My favorite planes are the Zero-sen, Hayabusa, and Hien.
Most IJN/IJAAF pilots were NOT bult like me http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_wink.gif
I do have copy off the US Flight Jacket tho. the leather one. Bought that before I got into IL2 world.

SkyCobra
11-16-2005, 10:03 AM
I remember seeing on tv a guy who had an f-18 simulator. He built himself the cockpit in his cellar with authentic instruments and gauges from old fighters jets. But the best bit is, he wore a modern American military flight G-suit whilst flying in his simulator, and the suit was connected to a system that would make the G-suit actually inflate in the legs when he was pulling high Gs. So he even had a working G-suit tied into the simulator.

ReligiousZealot
11-16-2005, 11:30 AM
Man...I really wish I could build myself a sort of cockpit, but I really can't because I sort of have to cram my stuff into a dormroom, so my immersiveness is no where near what I'd like (I don't even have rudder pedals, all I've got is a headset, a desktop joystick and a Track IR on the way).

ROTC4612
11-16-2005, 12:03 PM
Well it doesn't apply to Pacific Fighters but when I'm playing lo-mac or Falcon 4.0 I wear a HGU-55 helmet with the oxygen mask and gloves. I think it makes the game alot more fun and realistic.

BSS_Goat
11-16-2005, 12:51 PM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by ROTC4612:
when I'm playing lo-mac or Falcon 4.0 I wear a HGU-55 helmet with the oxygen mask and gloves </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

OOHHH.....I'm trying to imagine how my wife would laugh at me....

jds1978
11-16-2005, 01:04 PM
if anyone gets one of those old "electro-heated flight suits" for high altitude flight going...please post a pic http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_razz.gif

tomtheyak
11-16-2005, 01:35 PM
he he - I have my grandfathers old RAF Type C flyinghelmat and Ox mask and though i have briefly flirted with the idea, haven't put it on yet!

If I could get an adapter to plug the mic and headphone leads in that'd be pretty cool (if a little geeky lol) tho of course theres no garauntees that either would work 60 years on.

tomtheyak
11-16-2005, 01:40 PM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by me:
... I have my grandfathers old .... flyinghelmat </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

LOL just saw that!!

What in blazes is that?! A burning self levitating floor protector with evil tendencies?!!!

x6BL_Brando
11-16-2005, 01:42 PM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">OOHHH.....I'm trying to imagine how my wife would laugh at me.... </div></BLOCKQUOTE>


Aah - you need a wife like mine. Here I am wearing the surprise present she bought for my b/day (55th) http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_cool.gif

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v458/brando6BL/Ready_for_action.jpg

x6BL_Brando
11-16-2005, 05:33 PM
Just a thought, but the earphones (Bakelite & metal) and the padding around the ears inside the close fitting helmet are really quite sound-proofing. Quite how it would be, with the static hiss of the radio and the sound of your breath in the oxy-mask, backed by the ever-present roar of your engine I can't imagine, but it does make me wonder why people have such scorn for the game's sounds. They may not be perfect from an external viewpoint - but how many pilots flew without wearing the kit above?

Padser
11-16-2005, 07:31 PM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by tomtheyak:

If I could get an adapter to plug the mic and headphone leads in that'd be pretty cool (if a little geeky lol) tho of course theres no garauntees that either would work 60 years on. </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

Such a beast exists for modern aviation headsets (not sure if vitage jack plugs would still fit though) - you won't get the same sound quality from the game though, I've tried. Basic computer headset gives you much better sound quality.

Try this: http://www.pcaviator.com/shop/viewCategory.php?s=0&c=10 (http://www.pcaviator.com/shop/viewCategory.php?s=0&amp;c=10) (top of the list last time I looked)

TTFN

Pads

ROTC4612
11-16-2005, 10:52 PM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by ROTC4612:
Well it doesn't apply to Pacific Fighters but when I'm playing lo-mac or Falcon 4.0 I wear a HGU-55 helmet with the oxygen mask and gloves. I think it makes the game alot more fun and realistic. </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

Ok I must admit that when I do acutally put this stuff on that nobody else is in the house or is going to be for a half hour or so. lol, there has been a time when I did get caught with it on. Oh the look on my brothers face, it was quite embarassing.

dbuff
11-17-2005, 12:43 PM
I have started collecting and shooting WWII firearms. http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_smile.gif

Russian standard issue rifles Mosin Nagants
and German Mauser K-98's - not pictured.

http://img494.imageshack.us/img494/2727/MosinNagant91-30andM38a.jpg

Troll2k
11-18-2005, 02:38 AM
I do not know how real WWII pilots did it.When I wear gloves I lose the "feel" of my joystick.Especially the buttons.I gave up on using gloves.Maybe some of those that have the finger tips missing might work.

I also put a fan on top of my monitor and turn it on when I fly the I-16.

Tallyho1961
11-18-2005, 04:07 AM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">
I also put a fan on top of my monitor and turn it on when I fly the I-16. </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif

TC_Stele
11-18-2005, 01:41 PM
I've always thought about the reenactment idea, myself. We are pretty much reenacting, and like other reenactment groups (civil war, napoleanic, ww2), we know the material just as well. I mean look at the headache disputes on the forum http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/53.gif

There are quite a few ww2 reenactment groups out there who go to public events for holidays, or just go to reenactment events. They speak to the public about the soldier's experiences of that era and giving an exhibition. While I'm sure they can't really reenact flight combat, there are those who still go to functions to speak to the public about it.

Check out this url to see what role WW2 combat pilot reenactors can play. http://www.2ndarmored.com/filmWork.htm

Waldo.Pepper
11-18-2005, 01:51 PM
I always thought that it was more like joining a cult than being a reenactor.

In a cult you give all your money to the cult and stop sleeping with your wife.

See! No different.

PERSEUS1953
11-18-2005, 02:03 PM
http://simsit.biz/3.single_stick.html

Flight Sims and full scale aviation

Stigler_9_JG52
11-18-2005, 02:24 PM
I own a Japanese WWII flight suit and a 60s era Soviet Bloc MiG flight suit and helmets. But I don't wear them when I'm flying sims.

The Japanese suit is rabbit fur-lined and unbearably hot... and the MiG suit is meant to be uncomfortably tight, as it's a rudimentary G-suit.

Even if I could, I wouldn't wear 'em while flying. Fine for Halloween, but besides that... nuh-uh.

x6BL_Brando
11-18-2005, 02:45 PM
Yeah http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif
While I might allow the wife to do a little photo-shoot, with the bike there to kind of validate wearing my IL2-cover flying helmet, I would feel silly sitting in front of my screen wearing it!

As embarassed perhaps as I was at my strange reception in a local Asian store one time - a kind of polite bewilderment and giggling - when I forgot to remove a TrackIR dot from my forehead before going out for some beer http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_smile.gif

I'm quite dark-skinned, and the dot was right where a Hindu paints his caste-mark. All my Indian friends love that story.

EnGaurde
11-18-2005, 03:41 PM
hmmm

i think for immersion, simply putting something on is quite secondary to getting a cockpit set up.

my idea of perfection, is to sit in a constructed canopy with accurate headroom dimensions, a working authentic instrument panel, a real gunsight, and then go from there.

until i can lift or roll the canopy back, step in to my little isolation booth, fire up the engine with suitable amounts of bass being fed into my aural senses, feel the thud of shells going out and indeed coming in, feel the greasy approach of a dead stick lnding with a smoking engine (and yes somehow actually smell oil smoke and have the temp tuned right up due to fire) i wont consider any immersive ideas.

TC_Stele
11-18-2005, 07:14 PM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by x6BL_Brando:
Yeah http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif
While I might allow the wife to do a little photo-shoot, with the bike there to kind of validate wearing my IL2-cover flying helmet, I would feel silly sitting in front of my screen wearing it!

As embarassed perhaps as I was at my strange reception in a local Asian store one time - a kind of polite bewilderment and giggling - when I forgot to remove a TrackIR dot from my forehead before going out for some beer http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_smile.gif

I'm quite dark-skinned, and the dot was right where a Hindu paints his caste-mark. All my Indian friends love that story. </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

Put your TrackIR reflector on it and its completely valid! http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-very-happy.gif

VF2_Snowman
11-18-2005, 08:12 PM
Here's where you can get a truely immersive WW2 aircraft experience

http://www.globalplanesearch.com/view/all/AllMIMC.htm

neural_dream
11-18-2005, 09:11 PM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by Ijnpilot:
I was just thinking about how flight simming in some ways is like reenacting. A lot of us want the experience of flying a real plane without actually doing so. In the process we obtain joysticks, rudder pedals, throttle controls, and a slew of other accessories to make the experience "authentic". Has anyone here actually taken it so far as to obtain either a vintage or reproduction flight suit of any nation to get "full real"? </div></BLOCKQUOTE>
Replica Luftwaffe gloves from eBay http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-happy.gif.

Butch_F4F
12-03-2005, 02:20 PM
@TC_Stele

<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Check out this url to see what role WWII combat pilot reenactors can play </div></BLOCKQUOTE>
More reenactor pics: http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif

http://img223.imageshack.us/img223/876/navy2jx.jpg

http://www.geocities.com/Heartland/Valley/7550/Navy.html

Ciao

Butch