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Breeze147
10-22-2007, 08:16 AM
The release of B.O.B. will signal my departure from this family of sims.

There has to come a time to leave and this will be as good as any. I have other flight sims I want to try and I will never get to them as long as I keep hanging in with this one. I have Falcon 4: Allied Force, LOMAC with Flame Cliffs (and the much anticipated Black Shark), Wings Over Vietnam with Yankee Air Pirate and a return to Janes F/A-18, with the Team Superhornet add-ons.

I have flown in every theater and time. I have enjoyed it immensely. I have had good moments and bad. I have found that I no longer contribute much to the forum other than a few smartass remarks.

I have no enthusiasm for B.O.B whatsoever. The war eventually ended, the Nazis were exposed for all of the evil they wrought, Imperial Japan was reduced to rubble and the war criminals given their just punishment. That is how it ended, but the enemies of the U.S. kept after us through Korea, the Cold War and the Middle East. I must smite them.

There are those who will call me "Attention *****". To them I say, "Belllllcccchhhh!!!"

Breeze147
10-22-2007, 08:16 AM
The release of B.O.B. will signal my departure from this family of sims.

There has to come a time to leave and this will be as good as any. I have other flight sims I want to try and I will never get to them as long as I keep hanging in with this one. I have Falcon 4: Allied Force, LOMAC with Flame Cliffs (and the much anticipated Black Shark), Wings Over Vietnam with Yankee Air Pirate and a return to Janes F/A-18, with the Team Superhornet add-ons.

I have flown in every theater and time. I have enjoyed it immensely. I have had good moments and bad. I have found that I no longer contribute much to the forum other than a few smartass remarks.

I have no enthusiasm for B.O.B whatsoever. The war eventually ended, the Nazis were exposed for all of the evil they wrought, Imperial Japan was reduced to rubble and the war criminals given their just punishment. That is how it ended, but the enemies of the U.S. kept after us through Korea, the Cold War and the Middle East. I must smite them.

There are those who will call me "Attention *****". To them I say, "Belllllcccchhhh!!!"

ploughman
10-22-2007, 08:20 AM
You're not leaving any time soon then? See you over Korea.

Breeze147
10-22-2007, 08:28 AM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by Ploughman:
You're not leaving any time soon then? See you over Korea. </div></BLOCKQUOTE>
I shall be there!

LEBillfish
10-22-2007, 08:28 AM
C'mooooooooooooooooooooooooooooon....KotS! http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-wink.gif

TgD Thunderbolt56
10-22-2007, 08:40 AM
attention ***** :|

Actually, I've most of those titles on the HDD as well and I continually fire up IL2:46 when given the opportunity. I'm ok with that. I'm with LeBillfish though, KOTS will get much of my simming attention without a doubt.


TB

Ernst_Rohr
10-22-2007, 10:12 AM
I agree with Billfish and Thunderbolt, I am eagerly awaiting KOTS.

I have all the same sims sitting on my shelf, and what I find is that I just don't want to have to devote my life to learning another jet sim.

I had Falcon 3.0 when it first came out, and played the hell out of it. I even had the Mig 29 expansion and got VERY good in the Mig (loved the IRST sight).

I have LOMAC and F4:AF, but I have found my tolerance level a lot lower now, since I have much less time to fly. Just getting the radar modes down in F4 is an exercise in itself.

I have found that my favorite periods are WW1 to Korea. Getting guns on with the other guy is what its all about for me. When it gets to BVR missle engagements, its a lot less "fun" and more like work.

Low_Flyer_MkVb
10-22-2007, 10:25 AM
You know what I think would be a good idea? Start a sim at the beginning and work through in chronological order. WWI to the present day. Enabling the developer to mimic the advances in aviation technology with computer technology as it becomes available. You would, of course, by the time the series has reached its' climax, be able to put all those worryinfg encounters that keep you wake at night to bed...like who would win - Eindekker or Phantom?

As for waiting to leave by the release BoB - Breeze, you'll still be here for a while, be sure.

leitmotiv
10-22-2007, 10:32 AM
"Yankee Air Pirate" is a gem. All I wish was that there was omething on the horizon for Vietnam as promising as the Korea sim.

If you split, Peccary Squadron will get its chips cashed over Dover!

crazyivan1970
10-22-2007, 10:32 AM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by Breeze147:
The release of B.O.B. will signal my departure from this family of sims.

There has to come a time to leave and this will be as good as any. I have other flight sims I want to try and I will never get to them as long as I keep hanging in with this one. I have Falcon 4: Allied Force, LOMAC with Flame Cliffs (and the much anticipated Black Shark), Wings Over Vietnam with Yankee Air Pirate and a return to Janes F/A-18, with the Team Superhornet add-ons.

I have flown in every theater and time. I have enjoyed it immensely. I have had good moments and bad. I have found that I no longer contribute much to the forum other than a few smartass remarks.

I have no enthusiasm for B.O.B whatsoever. The war eventually ended, the Nazis were exposed for all of the evil they wrought, Imperial Japan was reduced to rubble and the war criminals given their just punishment. That is how it ended, but the enemies of the U.S. kept after us through Korea, the Cold War and the Middle East. I must smite them.

There are those who will call me "Attention *****". To them I say, "Belllllcccchhhh!!!" </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

Jets have no class...you`ll be back.

Urufu_Shinjiro
10-22-2007, 11:07 AM
I tried those jet sims but could never find the prop pitch.....

general_kalle
10-22-2007, 11:39 AM
oh come on,
Piston engine is a whole different thing
those jets will be boring right quickly believe me

ploughman
10-22-2007, 11:52 AM
I just hope there's a Sea Fury in it. But that'd mean a carrier and...

JarheadEd
10-22-2007, 11:55 AM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by Breeze147:
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by Ploughman:
You're not leaving any time soon then? See you over Korea. </div></BLOCKQUOTE>
I shall be there! </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

[\Jedi Mind control]
You will fly a Skyraider
[/Jedi mind control]

JTFM
10-22-2007, 01:03 PM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by general_kalle:
oh come on,
Piston engine is a whole different thing
those jets will be boring right quickly believe me </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

They aren't. I don't.

Swivet
10-22-2007, 01:18 PM
Yeh, you'll be back......Jetsims are great, but sometimes overwhelming with all the bells and whistles. Seems they make them too complicated, and it boils down to no fun when ya gotta buy an extra keyboard just to give commands when all ya goanna do is "fire and forget" anyways...When is the lastime a hightech jet got into a gun fight?..Doesn't happen that often I dont think. Fire a missile, enable radar jam, chaffs and flares and your home http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_rolleyes.gif....But a change of scenery to Jets is fine, if your just bored. I've thought of reinstalling Lomac for the umpteenth time, but just dont feel like learning all those key commands all over again http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/shady.gif. Once B.O.B comes out, you'll be back for classic gun Fun" in those rustbuckets http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif

Skunk_438RCAF
10-22-2007, 01:42 PM
I'm another one who's been meaning to try and learn LOMAC, or even one of the Thirdwire series, but I never get around to it because I always fire up this old fart of a sim.

Kaptein_Damli
10-22-2007, 01:52 PM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by Swivet:
Yeh, you'll be back......Jetsims are great, but sometimes overwhelming with all the bells and whistles. Seems they make them too complicated, and it boils down to no fun when ya gotta buy an extra keyboard just to give commands when all ya goanna do is "fire and forget" anyways...When is the lastime a hightech jet got into a gun fight?..Doesn't happen that often I dont think. Fire a missile, enable radar jam, chaffs and flares and your home http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_rolleyes.gif....But a change of scenery to Jets is fine, if your just bored. I've thought of reinstalling Lomac for the umpteenth time, but just dont feel like learning all those key commands all over again http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/shady.gif. Once B.O.B comes out, you'll be back for classic gun Fun" in those rustbuckets http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

Well, IMOH there are more buttons and keystrokes in 1946 than in Lomac:FC. Also, it is not just about lauching missiles. Me and my friends are trying to fly formation and some acrobatics, and when we get bored with that, we go into dogfight guns only! http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_smile.gif I fly 1946 and Lomac and remember almost every keystroke! http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_smile.gif

HereĀ“s a Youtube link on me and my guys flying:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3GZ9fyP3xoU

DustyBarrels77
10-22-2007, 06:50 PM
ill pick it up with knights of the sky, the korean addon. Dont leave but im with you on going from the ammount of content we have here to something with slightly better graphics and huge performance requirements is going to stink. These days its all about graphics only to sell games and screenshots over anything else with less content for more of your money.

Its like engineering all these schools teach you to make your product break on a certain day, all the companies make products to last a few weeks longer then others like its a big gift.

1c and ubi gave us alot but we paid for it and its the sole reason why this game is still popular after alot of years because no other company in their right mind would attempt to do that.

One day a game will come that looks like fsx with wwi to modern day in one game and global terrain featuring massive multiplay

jarink
10-22-2007, 06:56 PM
Attention *****.

So what purpose (besides whoring for attention) does this thread serve?
http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/10.gif

JG6_Oddball
10-22-2007, 07:02 PM
If its not prop.....its ****! http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif

S!

Korolov1986
10-22-2007, 07:48 PM
Many of you seem to conveniently forget that most early jets were just prop jobs with a different engine.

Tator_Totts
10-22-2007, 07:55 PM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by JG6_Oddball:
If its not prop.....its ****! http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif

S! </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

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LEBillfish
10-22-2007, 07:57 PM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by Low_Flyer_MkVb:
You know what I think would be a good idea? Start a sim at the beginning and work through in chronological order.. </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

Agree right up to there.....Reason being, by the time you got through WWI, software, hardware and the like should hopefully of advanced so much that the new years are much like BoB compared to our IL2....

Also, I have always believed the concept should be "tweeked" slightly, as you must first reel in new clients, then when hooked can present more difficult aspects.......Using WWI as an example, 1914 would snore many to other sims...SO:

1st release: 1917, all the planes "released" (as many outdated were flown still) that year.
2nd release: 1914
3rd: 1915
4th: 1916
5th: 1918

Anything subsequent lesser known aircraft for those years, or possibly even pre or post war issues.

p.s......Jets and missles are just a fad, such foolishness would never last long real life http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-wink.gif

HuninMunin
10-22-2007, 07:57 PM
edit
Talking to Korolov

I get your point but your statement seems a little off.
Besides some experimentals, the early jets that were in broad usage were far from prop designed birds.
Starting with the 262 and Meteor, furthermore in the 162, 80, Mig9 and Vampire - those birds were hardly just prob jobs with a different engine.

Daiichidoku
10-22-2007, 08:25 PM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by HuninMunin:
Besides some experimentals, the early jets that were in broad usage were far from prop designed birds.
</div></BLOCKQUOTE>


http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v479/Daiichidoku/yak-15_5-1.jpg

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v479/Daiichidoku/yak15-9.jpg

ImpStarDuece
10-22-2007, 09:28 PM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by Breeze147:
The release of B.O.B. will signal my departure from this family of sims.

&lt;snip&gt;

I have no enthusiasm for B.O.B whatsoever. The war eventually ended, the Nazis were exposed for all of the evil they wrought, Imperial Japan was reduced to rubble and the war criminals given their just punishment. That is how it ended, but the enemies of the U.S. kept after us through Korea, the Cold War and the Middle East. I must smite them.
</div></BLOCKQUOTE>

Because US participation should be the defining characteristic of what makes a flight sim interesting... right?

Daiichidoku
10-22-2007, 10:41 PM
i guess no-one told breeze SoW:BoB will eventually cover all theaters throughout the war

wonder if following BoB, additions will be all independent/stand alone, or one will need to have BoB....or what?


im also gonna enjoy KoTS..SPADs FTW!

Tab_Flettner
10-22-2007, 10:54 PM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Attention *****.

So what purpose (besides whoring for attention) does this thread serve?
whisper </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

Well, you have to admit its a change from the "IL2 is DOOMED run for your lives!!1" threads.

Dagnabit
10-22-2007, 11:14 PM
Sorry to hear about you leaving Breeze. But we must do what we must do.
I have a load of sims on HD also, and I kind of fly according to my mood at the moment. Good luck with what ever you do, but hope to see you here from time to time.
Dag

Dagnabit
10-22-2007, 11:28 PM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by jarink:
Attention *****.

So what purpose (besides whoring for attention) does this thread serve?
http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/10.gif </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

I think Jarink needs a hug!!
Its ok Jarink, after breeze leaves we will try to give you more attention...I know Breeze has been hoarding just a huge ammount of attention but he is just such a nice guy. We just dont know what the attention ***** predators/flamers will do without him.
Dag XXXOOO
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HotelBushranger
10-23-2007, 04:05 AM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">he is just such a nice guy </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-very-happy.gif

Oh, you were serious?

http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_wink.gif

Viper2005_
10-23-2007, 05:41 AM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by LEBillfish:
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by Low_Flyer_MkVb:
You know what I think would be a good idea? Start a sim at the beginning and work through in chronological order.. </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

Agree right up to there.....Reason being, by the time you got through WWI, software, hardware and the like should hopefully of advanced so much that the new years are much like BoB compared to our IL2....
</div></BLOCKQUOTE>

IMO the most important advantage of this approach is that in WWI you can reasonably make the assumption that the flows are incompressible, which greatly simplifies the modelling process.

Once you start flying faster than about Mach 0.2 or so compressibility matters and things get much more complicated.

Spending 4-5 years on WWI would allow computing power to double a few more times before more complex problems are attacked.

I'd also advocate spending another couple of years on the Spanish Civil War to allow a little more margin "just in case"...

HuninMunin
10-23-2007, 05:52 AM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by Daiichidoku:
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by HuninMunin:
Besides some experimentals, the early jets that were in broad usage were far from prop designed birds.
</div></BLOCKQUOTE>


http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v479/Daiichidoku/yak-15_5-1.jpg

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v479/Daiichidoku/yak15-9.jpg </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

Yes, you understood it right - that were the experimentals I was talking about.
280 build doesn't count as broad usage in my opinion.

SeaFireLIV
10-23-2007, 06:09 AM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by Breeze147:


I have no enthusiasm for B.O.B whatsoever.
There are those who will call me "Attention *****". To them I say, "Belllllcccchhhh!!!" </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

oh well nevermind, eh.how about a cup of tea?

*Goes back to what I was doing*

PikeBishop
10-23-2007, 06:14 AM
Dear All,
With regard to LOMAC and jet sim engagements (BVR) being relatively boring, I think thats why the next sim 'Black Shark' will concentrate on ground support, enabling ground detail to be exploited to the full. At altitude all of it is lost until one gets down to low level.
BoB on the other hand is convienient because it was a mini war all by itself which lasted some 6 months and ended with the apparent underdogs winning the day. There was insufficient time for the aircraft designs to change and newer types to be brought in, so intially it is a neat little theatre with which to start off the new Genre. If it is good it will last for some time before another 'theatre' will be wanted by the fans. The level of detail looks phenominal and I think it will be much harder to master than IL-2 was.
The Kots game is a welcome addition because it is WWI, close up and personal, low level and again, I think quite difficult to master. I am going to be VERY busy in 2008....be sure.
Best regards,
Pike.

MEGILE
10-23-2007, 06:20 AM
Breeze why hath thou forsaken us?!

WTE_Ibis
10-23-2007, 06:41 AM
Jets are funny

http://premium1.uploadit.org/Ibissix//Jets-are-Ghey.png

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HotelBushranger
10-23-2007, 06:46 AM
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LEXX_Luthor
10-23-2007, 07:25 AM
Now that Breeze has come out, will B.O.B. be leaving?

leitmotiv
10-23-2007, 12:39 PM
With BOB we will have night fighting and airborne radar. This is going to change the landscape. I wager the really good virtual pilots are going to be fascinated by the challenge of executing a successful night attack.

I completely sympathize with Breeze's point-of-view about Vietnam. There are few more challenging air-to-air environments than that of the U.S. during Rolling Thunder from 1965-67. If you can learn to bring down a MiG in a huge, unmaneuverable F-4B or C with the horrible missiles available, you are a real master like Robin Olds. Running the gauntlet of flak over Hanoi to hit the Paul Doumer Bridge in a F-105D is incredibly difficult. For most of 1967, the MiG-21s were kicking our posteriors. Rolling Thunder was a very hard campaign with the worst enemy usually our own Rules of Engagement. I'd love a really hard simulation of the air war over Vietnam (WINGS OVER VIETNAM is "sim lite" in terms of FM and fighting with radar).