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HayateAce
12-31-2008, 02:30 PM
http://www.nightly.net/movies/george-lucas-red-tails-gets-director/

Director has been hired, no filming as of yet that I am aware of. Be nice if they could spell "aerial" correctly. As is, they are talking about a little mermaid and a dog going at it.

HayateAce
12-31-2008, 02:30 PM
http://www.nightly.net/movies/george-lucas-red-tails-gets-director/

Director has been hired, no filming as of yet that I am aware of. Be nice if they could spell "aerial" correctly. As is, they are talking about a little mermaid and a dog going at it.

Xiolablu3
12-31-2008, 02:50 PM
Nice, now we have this and also Dambusters to look forward too.

HAs anyone seen 'Valkerie' yet? Has it been released?

berg417448
12-31-2008, 02:53 PM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by Xiolablu3:


HAs anyone seen 'Valkerie' yet? Has it been released? </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

It is showing now. I've read some reviews from some people (regular folks, not movie critics) who have seen it and the reviews are generally favorable. I have not seen it.

Bearcat99
12-31-2008, 03:12 PM
You know I am looking forward to this... As for Valkyrie.. I actually have seen some decent reviews on a few forums.. I'll wait for the DVD.

HayateAce
12-31-2008, 03:43 PM
I've read a few comments like, "We've already seen this story on HBO..." While that's true, and it was a well-done show, it left me wanting just a bit more. It would be best (IMHO) if they brought in racism as an underlying tone, and focused on these young men and their combat service. I always liked the pacing and dramatic vs combat balance of Memphis Belle.

KG66_Gog
12-31-2008, 03:51 PM
I wouldn't trust anything that comes out of Hollywood regarding WW2 to be any more than 10% factual, 90% BS!

This rule applies almost entirely with rare exceptions like SPR.

Pearl Harbor, U571 anyone?

HayateAce
12-31-2008, 04:09 PM
Here come the Hollywood bashers.

http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_rolleyes.gif

Tom Cruise and Hollywood have built-in bullseyes one them in these forums. How about we let them film the #$@% thing before we start throwing rocks, eh?

VMF-214_HaVoK
12-31-2008, 04:21 PM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">It would be best (IMHO) if they brought in racism as an underlying tone, and focused on these young men and their combat service. </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

+1

VMF-214_HaVoK
12-31-2008, 04:22 PM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by KG66_Gog:
I wouldn't trust anything that comes out of Hollywood regarding WW2 to be any more than 10% factual, 90% BS!

This rule applies almost entirely with rare exceptions like SPR.

Pearl Harbor, U571 anyone? </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

Its called entertainment. Nobody will call it a documentary. We are all aware of the real historic facts around here so we require no warnings or historic lectures. And there is some quality stuff such as Band of Brothers, Flags of our fathers and Letters from Iwo Jima.

S!

CUJO_1970
12-31-2008, 04:24 PM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by HayateAce:
It would be best (IMHO) if they brought in racism as an underlying tone, and focused on these young men and their combat service. I always liked the pacing and dramatic vs combat balance of Memphis Belle. </div></BLOCKQUOTE>


Agreed. This is a great history and could make for a fantastic movie if done correctly.

Mr_Zooly
12-31-2008, 04:26 PM
Bearcat should be a researcher for this movie http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-wink.gif
Lets be honest about this though, will historical accuracy win over Hollywood sentimentality? (I really do hope so).

Urufu_Shinjiro
12-31-2008, 04:34 PM
Accuracy has a pretty good shot here, George Lucas seems pretty serious about this project and he wouldn't be serious about it if he weren't familiar with the history. Since this is supposed to be his "baby" then he will probably see to it that at the very least it's not another "Pearl Harbor".

Mr_Zooly
12-31-2008, 04:44 PM
I remember the Cuba Gooding Jnr and Lawrence Fishburne (before they were famous?) film; Tuskeegee Airmen and I was impressed so this film really has a lot to live upto.

Ba5tard5word
12-31-2008, 05:17 PM
Hopefully it's more like the original classic Star Wars movies and nothing like the new ones. I have a theory that George Lucas was replaced with an alien clone sometime in the late 80's.

HayateAce
01-01-2009, 09:02 AM
Agreed, the only thing I didn't like about Tuskegee Airmen is that it left me wanting more.

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Bearcat99
01-01-2009, 09:55 AM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by VMF-214_HaVoK:
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">It would be best (IMHO) if they brought in racism as an underlying tone, and focused on these young men and their combat service. </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

+1 </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

Exactly... we all know about that... and it will still have to be part of the story.. but I would like to see more about the men. The Great Debators was like that... while it did give a very vivid picture of life for black men in the south in the 30s with respect to the racism, the thing that made it such a great film was that it had a story that concentrated on the characters more. I would like to see more about the Italian campaign. The early days in the P-40s..... I hope that it just doesn't concentrate on the P-51 era. The racism is such an integral part of the story that it doesn't have to be heavy handed... sort of like The Miracle at St. Anna.. which was decent IMO except for a few casting issues I had with it... like that guy crying for his mother who looke like he was about 40... LOL.

The HBO film was good for it's day and considering it was HBO.. which was still kind of a novice as far as making it's own films... At the time HBO was the only one that would touch it to their credit... Bob Williams wrote the story in the 70s. Bob Williams was the man the Fishburne Character was based on..

http://file.walagata.com/w/bearcat/Duchess.jpg

Note that in the movie the plane was number 10 and had the 100th F.S. markings.. and the main character was from Ottumwa Iowa. Many of the other characters were an amalgam of several. The Cuba Gooding character was based on several characters.. as was the Chappie character played by Malcolm Warner. In reality Chappie James (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Daniel_%22Chappie%22_James,_Jr.) lived on to fly P-51s & F-80s in Korea & F-4s in Vietnam.. and became the first African American 4 star general in 1975. One of the pilots the Gooding character was based on was Charles "A-Train" Dryden (http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2008/07/01/AR2008070102864.html) who like the Gooding character was friom Harlem.. He just passed away at 87 last year. I made that screen shot in tribute.
http://file.walagata.com/w/bearcat/A_Train_9x5.jpg



I think they can do a great job with it. I think the facts will be much more interesting than any fiction Hollywood could come up with. I'd also like to see a film about Eugene Bullard (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Eugene_Bullard). His life reads like a Hollywood movie. Left home at 16 I think it was, joined the circus for a while, stowed away on a ship to France, boxed professionally, joined the French Foriegn Legion and fought for France and after being wounded decided he wanted to learn to fly and did. He was one of two Americans of color who flew in WWI the other guy is harder to find info on and I think he was actually Carribean. The black man in Flyboys was based on Bullard.

Choctaw111
01-01-2009, 11:33 AM
I didn't know they were making a Red Tails movie...or I forgot. This sounds very good and am really looking forward to this one.

Aaron_GT
01-01-2009, 11:55 AM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">We are all aware of the real historic facts around here </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

We are, but many people aren't and might confuse U-571 with something accurate rather than fluff like The Guns of Naverone.

<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">And there is some quality stuff such as Band of Brothers, Flags of our fathers and Letters from Iwo Jima. </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

They were definitely good, Band of Brothers being better than Saving Private Ryan in the accuracy stakes. At least these days the tanks aren't generally a mix of M41 and M48s!

Aaron_GT
01-01-2009, 12:01 PM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">I remember the Cuba Gooding Jnr and Lawrence Fishburne (before they were famous?) film; Tuskeegee Airmen and I was impressed so this film really has a lot to live upto. </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

I don't know if it was 100% accurate (BearCat might be able to comment) but the acting was good (nothing flashy, but good, solid and believable) as was the pacing. The Lucas film will need a new angle to compete.

The problem with Pearl Harbour was it trying to be a wider entertainment for all comers and so ended up a poor testament. Really Tora! Tora! Tora! was the definitive film there - hard to top.

At least for Jackson the original dambusters was so long ago there is more scope for a remake even if you did it almost scene-by-scene as methods of acting and presentation have changed so much since The Method, so he has an easier job there potentially.

HayateAce
01-01-2009, 12:11 PM
When I was a kid I yelled at the screen and agonized that these "stupid directors" were simply using modern American tanks painted grey with German crosses on them! The nerve.

Now, if they get the basic facts and story right, I don't care as much about the hardware.

This show, however, broke all the rules. (Although the Chaffee was accurate for the Bulge)

http://www.dvdtown.com/images/displayimage.php?id=6659

Aaron_GT
01-01-2009, 01:44 PM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Now, if they get the basic facts and story right, I don't care as much about the hardware. </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

Given the budgets some attempt to camouflage the tanks might help! At least for SPR and BofB they produced a lot of new uniforms rather than dressing everyone in M65 jackets as in older days.

<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">This show, however, broke all the rules. (Although the Chaffee was accurate for the Bulge) </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

If the German commanders hadn't been calling them Shermans it might have helped suspend disbelief! Not that many M-24s made it into action - the number shown in the film would have been virtually all of the ones in service! But given the need to do the battle not a bad compromise. It would have been a stretch in the budgets of the time to disguise that many tanks as Tigers.

Metatron_123
01-01-2009, 02:31 PM
Looking forward to it.

At the same time i can't help but wonder when some people will lose their paranoia and realize that the life of Erich Hartmann is something more than film worthy. In fact it's a story more epic than most fiction. http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/halo.gif

K_Freddie
01-01-2009, 03:09 PM
I think it'll take a lot to beat Tuskeegee Airmen, but we'll see.. http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_cool.gif

HayateAce
01-01-2009, 07:55 PM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by Metatron_123:
Looking forward to it.

At the same time i can't help but wonder when some people will lose their paranoia and realize that the life of Erich Hartmann is something more than film worthy. In fact it's a story more epic than most fiction. http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/halo.gif </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

+100

310th Falcon
01-01-2009, 08:36 PM
+100 +100 = +200 http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/25.gif


Best Regards

Bearcat99
01-01-2009, 10:11 PM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by K_Freddie:
I think it'll take a lot to beat Tuskeegee Airmen, but we'll see.. http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_cool.gif </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

I agree.. I'd like to see a story abour Heinz Knocke as well..

Mr_Zooly
01-02-2009, 03:51 PM
I very much doubt that we'll see a honest/true to life/unhindered by political viewpoints film about German pilots in WW2. unfortunately the rest of the world isnt as clued up or informed as we are (a bit of a generalisation there but I hope you get the point).

Bearcat99
01-02-2009, 05:04 PM
I dunno.... Valkyrie... There are german fim makers no... ? It is just a story... Since it is history if it is told like it was the moral judgments will be what they are.. but I believe that since all German soldiers were not Nazi monsters... there have to be some honest human stories from the German soldier's point of view in that war... I would like to see them...

MB_Avro_UK
01-02-2009, 05:49 PM
Hi all,

There are no black pilots or navigators in today's British Royal Air Force.

The Royal Air Force is desperate to enlist ethnic minorities.

Why no results?

Maybe a cultural thing?

Best Regards,
MB_Avro.

Copperhead311th
01-03-2009, 11:35 PM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by VMF-214_HaVoK:
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by KG66_Gog:
I wouldn't trust anything that comes out of Hollywood regarding WW2 to be any more than 10% factual, 90% BS!

This rule applies almost entirely with rare exceptions like SPR.

Pearl Harbor, U571 anyone? </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

Its called entertainment. Nobody will call it a documentary. We are all aware of the real historic facts around here so we require no warnings or historic lectures. And there is some quality stuff such as Band of Brothers, Flags of our fathers and Letters from Iwo Jima.

S! </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

+1 Agree http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/25.gif