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WilhelmSchulz.
02-21-2006, 04:18 PM
My fav. is the Tango class(Project 641BUKI) Quiet as a devel(or at least as quite as NATO SSN's) when operating on Batts. and leathel. 24 torpedos w/6 21in(533mm) tubes. http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/59.gif

BTW, you can put what you think the best sub is.

WilhelmSchulz.
02-21-2006, 04:18 PM
My fav. is the Tango class(Project 641BUKI) Quiet as a devel(or at least as quite as NATO SSN's) when operating on Batts. and leathel. 24 torpedos w/6 21in(533mm) tubes. http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/59.gif

BTW, you can put what you think the best sub is.

Celeon999
02-22-2006, 05:36 AM
You know what my favourite sub is http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif

But i also like the russian Akula class

ndladis
02-22-2006, 05:42 AM
I do not know.. I have faith on 214 type..http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/partyhat.gif
And the Akula also....

Celeon999
02-22-2006, 05:59 AM
on the other side.....the Typhoon class is also fine sub.

Lots of space , an own swimming pool and an sauna. Lots of luxury extras for the crew http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_smile.gif

Foehammer-1
02-22-2006, 08:25 AM
Papa. I believe the Russians only built one, but the thing is silent and has a pickpocket's speed if needed. Armed with torpedoes and anti-ship missiles. Also, Alpha can outrun pretty much any torpedo in existence today, unless it was fired from I believe less than 2000 meters. So I go for one of those

WilhelmSchulz.
02-22-2006, 08:27 PM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by Foehammer-1:
Also, Alpha can outrun pretty much any torpedo in existence today, unless it was fired from I believe less than 2000 meters. So I go for one of those </div></BLOCKQUOTE>No, the Mk46ADCAP torpedo has a top speed of 50kts. The Alfa's is 45kts. ablight it can stay away intill the fish peters out. The British Spearfish has a speed from around 60-70kts.(not shure). http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-indifferent.gif

Edit: thats Mk 48 not 46.

blastomatic1759
02-23-2006, 09:25 AM
I wonder how bad that alpha cavitates when running at full speed ? But anyway 45 knots underwater is pretty impressive.

Foehammer-1
02-23-2006, 09:57 AM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by WilhelmSchulz.:
No, the Mk46ADCAP torpedo has a top speed of 50kts. The Alfa's is 45kts. ablight it can stay away intill the fish peters out. The British Spearfish has a speed from around 60-70kts.(not shure). http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-indifferent.gif </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

Umm, not too sure myself, but isn't the Spearfish the design that never left the drawing board? And, just wondering, did you get that forom Tom Clancy's book umm.. Red Storm or something?

Celeon999
02-23-2006, 10:03 AM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by blastomatic1759:
I wonder how bad that alpha cavitates when running at full speed ? But anyway 45 knots underwater is pretty impressive. </div></BLOCKQUOTE>


That is connected to the depth.

I dont think that the alfa cavitates when it operates at 900 meters depth , even with 45 kts. http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_smile.gif

I wonder how stable its reactor operates at this speed. It must run at 100 % or even a bit more to reach and hold that speed.

And for how long it can operate at maximum output ? http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/blink.gif

WilhelmSchulz.
02-23-2006, 10:24 AM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by Foehammer-1:
Umm, not too sure myself, but isn't the Spearfish the design that never left the drawing board? And, just wondering, did you get that forom Tom Clancy's book umm.. Red Storm or something? </div></BLOCKQUOTE>Shut up. http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_redface.gif And when the the alfa runing at flank speed is noisy as hell, you could heare it for miles. And theoreticly a alfa could run at flank speed forever.

Celeon999
02-23-2006, 10:39 AM
Theoretical but not technical http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-wink.gif

I bet the reactor gets very hard to control at maximum output.

I believe the Alfa or Akula uses a fast breeder reactor with an artificial coolant instead of water.

These things can become ........lets say unpredictable if runned at 100% capacity. http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif

FDNYFAN
02-23-2006, 11:13 AM
Last night I was watching National Geograpic Channel and they showed a torpedo that was going at 90 http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_eek.gif knots.
It's speed is possible because it has a gas bubble around it that keeps the drag to a minimum.
So where are those Destroyers now. http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/784.gif

RWBohlmann
02-23-2006, 11:27 AM
wow

Celeon999
02-23-2006, 12:37 PM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by Rafe1:
Last night I was watching National Geograpic Channel and they showed a torpedo that was going at 90 http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_eek.gif knots.
It's speed is possible because it has a gas bubble around it that keeps the drag to a minimum.
So where are those Destroyers now. http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/784.gif </div></BLOCKQUOTE>


Supercavitation (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Super_cavitation) http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-wink.gif

Foehammer-1
02-23-2006, 01:19 PM
Sorry Wilhelm, i didnt mean it http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_wink.gif and yes, i read it, good book. As for max speed, i believe the reactor was cooled by a liquid metal, but dont ask me how it works or what it is made of. it is supposed to be really efficient, but the reactor had to be run non-stop to prevent the metal from solidifying. I bet it's some kind of metal like Gallium and Indium that can melt easily, but i can be wrong. As for the Alpha subs, I believe a lot of them were scrapped by late 70's due to the reactors that were quite hard to run.

WilhelmSchulz.
02-23-2006, 01:36 PM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by Foehammer-1:
Sorry Wilhelm, i didnt mean it http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_wink.gif and yes, i read it, good book. As for max speed, i believe the reactor was cooled by a liquid metal, but dont ask me how it works or what it is made of. it is supposed to be really efficient, but the reactor had to be run non-stop to prevent the metal from solidifying. I bet it's some kind of metal like Gallium and Indium that can melt easily, but i can be wrong. As for the Alpha subs, I believe a lot of them were scrapped by late 70's due to the reactors that were quite hard to run. </div></BLOCKQUOTE>The Alfa(Project 705) is powerd by 2 lead-bismuth liquid-metal nuclear reactors. And Im actuly reading Red Storm Rising right now.

WilhelmSchulz.
02-23-2006, 01:47 PM
With the suppercavatition fish I belive it is a stright shot wepon, not homing.

Celeon999
02-23-2006, 02:04 PM
Ive asked myself too how the homing of such an torpedo should function.

It produces too much noise for passive homing and i wonder how the torpedo will recieve the feedback of active sonar pinging when it is surrounded by the bubble and has no real contact to the water http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/blink.gif http://img368.imageshack.us/img368/3410/brush22ih.gif

WilhelmSchulz.
02-23-2006, 03:02 PM
@ Foehammer- I found out that the Alfa was so complex that it had a all officer crew(I think the systems at least, not cooks and the like).
And I found out info on the spearfish. 660lbs/300kg warhead, a range of 13 miles/21km and a max speed of around 60+kts.

Foehammer-1
02-23-2006, 03:18 PM
Cool, thanks, never knew that. Oh by the way, when you get to the satellite pictures of a Soviet village, it says it is a "number 1024" or something.. Lol the guy probably hasnt heard that villages, as well as "Kolhoz"'es have names like Red Star, Vinogradovo, etc. http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_smile.gif Don't fall into the same trap Wilhelm http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_wink.gif

I'm Ukrainian, trust me, I know

WilhelmSchulz.
02-23-2006, 03:34 PM
http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/blink.gifUhhhhh, ok thanks Comrade. http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_confused.gif

Sokole_oko
02-24-2006, 02:00 PM
Alphas has all-officer crew because in Russian Navy low ranks personnel is still from the draft.... way too dangerous to let this kind of boys to play with such technology.

Celeon999
02-24-2006, 02:17 PM
It is definitly a fine sub with lots of multi-purpose torpedo tubes. http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/784.gif

Especially the hydro-dynamic designed conning tower has much to do with its great speed performance. http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_cool.gif


http://img149.imageshack.us/img149/5659/cap0711ba.jpg
http://img522.imageshack.us/img522/7399/cap0721ov.jpg
http://img149.imageshack.us/img149/1209/cap0757jb.jpg


The type 212 has one too.

Heh that rhymes http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/blink.gif

http://img524.imageshack.us/img524/3879/u31vorne5sp.jpg

blastomatic1759
02-24-2006, 04:43 PM
i always liked the windows in the conning tower. for some reason i always get a mental picture of a guy sittin behind the window with a steering wheel , gas pedals , and a stick shift.

WilhelmSchulz.
02-24-2006, 05:53 PM
I picture a guy sitting there underwater. http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-very-happy.gif

kptltU-1312
02-24-2006, 09:58 PM
ok i admit that im biased, but i have a very soft spot for the aussie collins class sub. its come a long way in quite a short time.

tho i reckon the german 212 looks small & very business like. dont know much about it. i can imagine a type VII or XXI liniage there. http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/25.gif

warmonger61
02-24-2006, 11:05 PM
My favorite WW2 sub is the type XXI... they were truly ahead of their time,and were the first true submarines! My favorite modern sub would have to be... the Vanguard class. http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-wink.gif

Celeon999
02-25-2006, 02:32 AM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by blastomatic1759:
i always liked the windows in the conning tower. for some reason i always get a mental picture of a guy sittin behind the window with a steering wheel , gas pedals , and a stick shift. </div></BLOCKQUOTE>


These are no real windows. http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-wink.gif

You cant look through them, i think they are just for those two position lights. On the left side is a red light on the other a green.

I dont know if they have another purpose aside of this.


You can see the lights very good here on these pics.


http://img104.imageshack.us/img104/1849/p73100045co9ri.jpg
http://img104.imageshack.us/img104/618/p73100070sm1do.jpg

WilhelmSchulz.
02-25-2006, 06:02 AM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by kptltU-1312:
ok i admit that im biased, but i have a very soft spot for the aussie collins class sub. its come a long way in quite a short time. </div></BLOCKQUOTE>You know there thinking to make a replacement for it?

OberUberWurst
02-25-2006, 11:26 AM
VA-111 Shkval underwater rocket http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-surprised.gif

http://www.fas.org/man/dod-101/sys/missile/row/shkval.htm

Celeon999
02-25-2006, 11:36 AM
Quote from Wikipedia


<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Current applications


The supercavitation principle is being used for very high performance propellers, see supercavitating propeller, and also for control surfaces such as rudders.

Until 2004, Russian Shkval torpedoes were the only publicly known application of supercavitation technology applied to an entire underwater vessel. It has also been claimed that Russia also possesses underwater firearms discharging supercavitating projectiles, which are said to have been developed prior to the Shkval torpedoes.

In 2004 the German weapons manufacturer DIEHL BGT Defence announced their own supercavitating torpedo called the Barracuda. (English translation)

Beginning in 1994, the US Navy began developing a sea mine clearance system known as RAMICS (Rapid Airborne MIne Clearance System), based on a supercavitating projectile, invented by C Tech Defense Corporation, that was stable in both air and water. The terminal ballistic design of the projectile allowed it to cause explosive destruction of sea mines as deep as 25 feet underwater with a single 20mm round. (C Tech) In 2000 the projectile was used to successfully destroy a range of live underwater mines when fired from a hovering Sea Cobra gunship at the Aberdeen Proving Grounds in Maryland. RAMICS is currently undergoing further development for introduction into the fleet.

In 1999 the supercavitation technology was adopted to hunting projectiles. These "SuperPenetrator" bullets feature a very stable straight line penetration in aqueous media.[1]

To date, the main emphasis of research into supercavitation has been into the development of torpedoes, due to the fact that supercavitating torpedoes can give an overwhelming advantage to a navy possessing them in quantity (assuming that the opposing navy doesn't possess them).

</div></BLOCKQUOTE>