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FbusterMk3
05-27-2004, 01:31 AM
Quote from Oleg:
Don't ask me the questions here... I have no time.
I just read il2beta email to get last bugs for final program patch for AEP.

Note the word FINAL.
In a strange way I hope the next patch is the last, some of the recent changes/additions have a rushed feel to them (MkIX spit) and others are simply undesirable (changed default ext FOV)
its probably time to let go of this game engine, Oleg and his team have probably wrung every ounce of development out of it anyway.
New planes are nice to have but only if justice is done to their fm's etc.
Oleg quite rightly is looking to bigger and better things in the future not to mention his new baby which will require all of his time.
So it's thanks for IL2 Oleg, congratulations on your new baby, and eager anticipation of BoB.

FbusterMk3
05-27-2004, 01:31 AM
Quote from Oleg:
Don't ask me the questions here... I have no time.
I just read il2beta email to get last bugs for final program patch for AEP.

Note the word FINAL.
In a strange way I hope the next patch is the last, some of the recent changes/additions have a rushed feel to them (MkIX spit) and others are simply undesirable (changed default ext FOV)
its probably time to let go of this game engine, Oleg and his team have probably wrung every ounce of development out of it anyway.
New planes are nice to have but only if justice is done to their fm's etc.
Oleg quite rightly is looking to bigger and better things in the future not to mention his new baby which will require all of his time.
So it's thanks for IL2 Oleg, congratulations on your new baby, and eager anticipation of BoB.

carguy_
05-27-2004, 01:36 AM
It`s no surprise.I`m amazed that Oleg made the decision to release AEP.

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jttthomas
05-27-2004, 01:44 AM
I reckon if Ubi want to milk this sim, they should release the source code (or whatever they release to allow custom mappers, modellers, etc to make stuff).

You know whats going to happen? They'll release PF and after 2 weeks everyone'll start posting 'I want an ME109, I want a Yak-3, I want an FW-190, I want an IL2' etc etc....

LEXX_Luthor
05-27-2004, 01:56 AM
There are netwings modders working on aircraft for FB right now (including Pe~2), and 3 weeks will not see them in FB. It would be ~very~ bizzare if Oleg dropped the forgotten ball now without telling several dozen aircraft modders.

Also, at netwings they often post that June is the last month for aircraft completion, after which they will be sent to Oleg for working them into the sim.

Oleg may have meant "final" version of next Patch.

"3 weeks"...how often have we heard that before?

and "June" too. http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_smile.gif



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HH Quazi
05-27-2004, 02:21 AM
This sim can't live forever, can it? It's probably about that time. I was hoping it would never end though. That PF may be integrated with FB/AEP, the same way AEP was integrated with FB. Doesn't look like that will happen. Oh well, life goes on I guess.

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Rageman
05-27-2004, 02:32 AM
They stopped releaseing patch's for the original IL-2 Sturmovik, then they started releasing "upgrades" with new planes.

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Aaron_GT
05-27-2004, 02:50 AM
"I reckon if Ubi want to milk this sim, they should release the source code"

1. Ubi are unlikely to have rights to the source
2. It would only allow others to compete with Ubi and Oleg unless the licence of the release are specific.

What is a bit more reasonable is to make the interfaces open - Open ARCHITECTURE not open SOURCE (there seems to be some confusion on the board about his). However this would allow people to mod planes into super planes, potentially.

I think there is more mileage in making deals with third parties (e.g. Luthier) for onward development.

In a sense there are some areas of open architecture already - e.g. the requirements for the 3D models are well known.

What I would like to see is perhaps a version of FB tailored for next gen consoles to get that market interested in flight sims. The Xbox 2 should be pretty powerful. The PS2 is also a very powerful machine but the vector architecture makes it a pain to code for to make the best use of the power, unless there are some really good dev tools out there now. The PS2 might also be a bit short on memory. However if FB was pitched as an online-only console game memory is a little less important.

antifreeze
05-27-2004, 09:52 AM
Difficult to tell with no context, but are you sure he meant 'final' to entail 'the last'? Usually FB patch-release consists of a beta version for testing (which is sometimes leaked publically) and then the official release follows. After testing the name is changed to include the word 'final'.
Eg.
1.21beta became 1.21final
1.22beta became 1.22final

So its possible that he may have been talking about getting the 2.01beta version ready for public release, referring to it naturally as the 'final' version (Eg. 2.01final) without meaning that it would be the last.

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WOLFMondo
05-27-2004, 10:02 AM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by carguy_:
It`s no surprise.I`m amazed that Oleg made the decision to release AEP.

http://carguy.w.interia.pl/tracki/sig23d.jpg <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

Well the community has a none stop relentless barrage of "I want this plane" for some time so I guess they did the new content addon and patches to appease us rather then UBI making money. Put it into context, this game probably makes a small profit, enough to keep it going so UBI support it but they have much bigger games that make more money out there so I don't think its due to the money.

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Agamemnon22
05-27-2004, 10:04 AM
Yeah, I think this should be interpreted as either final (version of) the patch or final patch that addresses programming issues. I was in contact with Alex at MG only last week, and he didnt say anything about ending support for FB. In fact he was glad the Pe-2 was coming along, which wouldn't make sense if this was the last patch ever. Heck, I don't think even Jippo's Ju-88 could make this patch.


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Chuck_Older
05-27-2004, 10:14 AM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by FbusterMk3:
Quote from Oleg:
Don't ask me the questions here... I have no time.
I just read il2beta email to get last bugs for final program patch for AEP.

Note the word FINAL.
<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

Yup, final, gotcha. But I agree with Agammenon.

But what does "final" mean? You could read that and interpret it as the final version of the patch, so it can be released.

It could mean this is the last patch

It could mean that Oleg is not a native English speaker and you've misunderstood.

I think this can be filed under "too vague to panic over". http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/images/smiley/16x16_smiley-wink.gif

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crazyivan1970
05-27-2004, 10:18 AM
Just FYI, there is a big difference between a patch * bug fixes and enhancements* and Addon. When bombers are ready to go, they will be added, meaning addon http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif

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269GA-Maxmars
05-27-2004, 10:22 AM
Thanks Crazy Ivan for the clarification.. There are a number of italian planes in the pipe that I'd hate to see canceled!

Kasdeya
05-27-2004, 10:23 AM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by crazyivan1970:
Just FYI, there is a big difference between a patch * bug fixes and enhancements* and Addon. When bombers are ready to go, they will be added, meaning addon http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif

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Capt._Tenneal
05-27-2004, 10:28 AM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by jttthomas:
I reckon if Ubi want to milk this sim, they should release the source code (or whatever they release to allow custom mappers, modellers, etc to make stuff).

You know whats going to happen? They'll release PF and after 2 weeks everyone'll start posting 'I want an ME109, I want a Yak-3, I want an FW-190, I want an IL2' etc etc....<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

Maybe as a compromise, the source code can be allowed to be used by a few 'proven' modders or coders in the 3rd party community that can do high-quality work (maybe under approval by 1C:Maddox) in order not to get a rash of 3rd party products of different types from poor to excellent.

Fennec_P
05-27-2004, 10:45 AM
After PF, the IL-2 engine will be done. Any new material made for FB or PF will only be used for a few months, then it will be made obsolete.

For example, the B-17 cockpit. I wish Aliantdll the best of luck, but it probably won't be finished soon enough to make a difference. The community might get to enjoy it for a few months, but then most will switch to BoB.

Instead, you could make things for BoB and BoB addons. The BoB engine will be visiting a bunch of theatres, just like the IL-2 engine has. 2005 is really not very far in the future, when you consider how long it takes to make models. I am starting now on models I plan to have done shortly after BoB is released.

Personally, I am excited about leaving the IL-2 engine behind. It really is dated by now, and there is much more promise in new sims in the future. Anything "lost" in IL-2 will simply be made again in BoB, and better.

kikka-01
05-27-2004, 10:46 AM
Funny: This thread reminds me of a scene in the Monty Python film "Life of Brian."

Patch... final?
"Did he say, Blessed are the 'Cheese Makers'"

Off-topic, sorry; we won't have any "silly" in this thread.

Aaron_GT
05-27-2004, 01:26 PM
"P.S. Aaron: you'd need a heck of a controller to fly FB on a console"

The Xbox (and likely the Xbox 2) uses USB, if with a funny connector. In principle a USB joystick could be attached. You can get keyboards for the Xbox as well.

Aaron_GT
05-27-2004, 01:45 PM
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k5054
05-27-2004, 02:28 PM
If the timescale of BoB drifts out, as all software is liable to do, then there will be cause and justification to keep up the interest with FB upgrades. If chargeable, they'll keep the money coming in. 1C and Ubi would be unwise to make any irrevocable decisions now while they don't have to.
Hands up all those who expect BoB by mid 2005.

Fennec_P
05-27-2004, 03:58 PM
Well, they probably will still be making addons, either free of for $. Just, not for FB.

I mean, PF will be out in a few months, and there will certainly be a plethora of patches and planes for it. Then less than a year later, BoB.

How many products does a simmer need?

lil_labbit
05-27-2004, 05:42 PM
LOL I will wait, not whine, and let Oleg the Great surprise me http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif - the more fun I'll have when one day it says "PATCH V2.99 available"http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_wink.gif

P.S. He has a post in ORR stating only three programmers work on FB ??? http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/images/smiley/16x16_smiley-surprised.gif

Man! They must be ├┼ôberprogrammers http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_wink.gif

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westcoastphil
05-27-2004, 06:04 PM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by ALDEGA:
BoB is to be released signficantly far in the future from now, no? Late 2005?<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

Two weeks after 2005 http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif

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XyZspineZyX
05-27-2004, 07:49 PM
Re: Open Source Code...I've seen what it can do to a game and it's not good. The one thing I would like to see though is the ability to make maps. For those who have no interest in the Pacific War (I'm not one of them) or those who cannot afford the needed computer to run BoB, the ability to make maps would be a boon. With the large amount of planes already availalbe one could make North Atlantic, Arctic Sea, more Snow maps, the bits inbetween what we do have, North Africa, the Mediterrainian and the English Channel. That would cover most of WWII.

That would be my wish for a last "patch" release.

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Obi_Kwiet
05-27-2004, 07:53 PM
I duno. I wouldn't mind seeing the source code releaced after BoB comes out. Might keeps it alive a couple more years. Wouldn't mid seeing some gunnery, and effects mods. Still, wait for BoB.

LEXX_Luthor
05-27-2004, 08:40 PM
AI must be programmed into maps, however, some simplifications could be accepted from 3rd Party map makers...

(1) A simplified routine for AI airport behavior could be made.

(2) Roads and railways may take programming, as well as ships on the larger rivers and lakes. But that can be avoided if mission builders are careful enough to not place ship waypoints that cross land. All ground vehicles cross country at the same speed as they cross roads. No roads needed.

(3) The Map Makers have stated that adding those hundreds of thousands of buildings is the hardest part of map making, and the major cause of slow loading of maps into memory. Very large maps can be created with no buildings, where then the mission builders can place building objects with FMB in only the areas where missions take place, thus allowing fast loading and smooth running of very terrain large maps, far larger than Gulf of Finland map, and do I say as large as all of Europe? Think about the navigation possibilities with long range aircraft.


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Close this book forever and don't open anymore!" ~Oleg_Maddox http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/images/smiley/16x16_smiley-surprised.gif

LEXX_Luthor
05-27-2004, 11:09 PM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Just FYI, there is a big difference between a patch * bug fixes and enhancements* and Addon. When bombers are ready to go, they will be added, meaning addon http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif

http://www.rmutt.netfirms.com/ivan2.bmp <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>So Patch 88 will be addon CD? I can deal with this. I am Happy Oleg made a deal with the modders, you know, a Deal deal, maybe they are Republicans. http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif

It will be a Beautiful addon CD wuff wuff.

I just mostly wasted 30$ on LOMAC. Its actually ~very~ nice--even with ATI 9200, but not having some features that I wanted from Flaker 2.51. But enough negative waves so early in the morning.



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"I had actually pre ordered CFS3 and I couldnt wait..." ~Bearcat99
"Gladiator and Falco, elegant weapons of a more civilized age" ~ElAurens
:
"Damn.....Where you did read about Spitfire made from a wood?
Close this book forever and don't open anymore!" ~Oleg_Maddox http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/images/smiley/16x16_smiley-surprised.gif