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joejccva
12-30-2005, 12:06 AM
fight or leave? there are about 5 cargo ships, 2-3 tankers, 3 escort destroyers, and 2 other destroyers. LOL. Sorry for the ignorant question, but is this a complete no-win situation? I can manage to destroy 1 destroyer, but right after that I'm toast. Should I just avoid these large convoys at all costs or be brave?

Thanks in advance.

joejccva
12-30-2005, 12:06 AM
fight or leave? there are about 5 cargo ships, 2-3 tankers, 3 escort destroyers, and 2 other destroyers. LOL. Sorry for the ignorant question, but is this a complete no-win situation? I can manage to destroy 1 destroyer, but right after that I'm toast. Should I just avoid these large convoys at all costs or be brave?

Thanks in advance.

paulhager
12-30-2005, 12:15 AM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by joejccva:
fight or leave? there are about 5 cargo ships, 2-3 tankers, 3 escort destroyers, and 2 other destroyers. LOL. Sorry for the ignorant question, but is this a complete no-win situation? I can manage to destroy 1 destroyer, but right after that I'm toast. Should I just avoid these large convoys at all costs or be brave?

Thanks in advance. </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

"L'audace, l'audace, toujours l'audace!"

WilhelmSchulz.
12-30-2005, 01:07 AM
Go for it. Attack. In the words of BdU, "Be more agresive".

Acunnon
12-30-2005, 02:48 AM
My tactics for convoys come in two flavors. First one fire a salvo into the convoy hope for kiss, wait until the zig zaging subsided then repeat. Finish off stragglers at leisure. the second one is a bit trickier. First take out a destroyer with a clean shot this wil bring in the others dive, change you depth and speed frequently but keep quiet. Once the other DDs give up start a run on the next one. Once the DDs are gone you can take out the ships with your deck gun and save torps for other targets.

vanjast
12-30-2005, 07:22 AM
What type of boat did you say you were driving ?? http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif

joejccva
12-30-2005, 08:01 AM
I can't remember the Uboat but the type of sub is a XIID i think. I'm still very new to the game. My problem is I need to learn tactics. I ended up going to periscope depth with my periscope up and snorkel up at rigging all ultra quiet, but I move too slow doing that and the convoy being faster than me, all move away. So I have to pick up some speed to try to catch up and what ends up happening after an hour of doing this is they spot me (i guess they can hear me or see my snorkel and scope) and they make a beeline for me.

I usually destroy the first destroyer but then the other one is hammering down on me.

The problem I am having is trying to sneak up on them and get somewhat close without them seeing me. This convoy is moving away from me at "medium" and "fast" speeds and the most my sub can do is 14-15 knots I think. I dont know what depth my sub should be at for the fastest speeds.

I'm loving this game but I need to learn more tactics and what speeds and depths I should be at to sneak up on those destroyers.

Can anyone offer some more advice?

Thanks!

vanjast
12-30-2005, 08:28 AM
It's not called the 'Silent Service' for nothing http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_wink.gif, Soooo in order to be 'silent' you have to get ahead of a convoy and wait for the escort screen to pass over you, before delivering your torps.

You're running a very late war boat, and are probably coming up against experienced escort crews. You should really start a career in '39, cos it's all easy, and slowly gets harder. As this happens you will have gained the experience of tactics to counter new threats, etc..!
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BenBenRodr
12-30-2005, 09:45 AM
I usually draw out their course, surface out of sight and overtake them (still out of sight). When I'm far enough ahead, I'll get into a spot a little away from where I expect the lead escort to pass, and hope they're not in luck and catch me with pinging.

When I'm more or less in the convoy, it's a turkeyshoot.


Later in the war, I just get ahead of the convoy and slowly get closer submerged, staying as far away from the escorts as possible. Then get in a good position and fire away. I always keep an acoustic for the times I'm discovered.


I never, ever try to get the escorts unless I'm forced to in selfdefence. They're not worth as much tons as the merchants and (later) the escort carriers.


I usually stay near the convoy in the beginning of the war, later I tend to start sneaking away before the first torps hit. Another possibility is hiding in the convoy, where the merchants are an obstacle to the escorts most of the time.



But indeed, start in the beginning of the war: lots of time to learn yourself a tactic that works, and mistakes aren't as lethal as they are late in the war.

blacknight12345
05-18-2006, 10:10 AM
attack the tankers and run

HeibgesU999
05-18-2006, 04:14 PM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by joejccva:
I can't remember the Uboat but the type of sub is a XIID i think. I'm still very new to the game. My problem is I need to learn tactics. I ended up going to periscope depth with my periscope up and snorkel up at rigging all ultra quiet, but I move too slow doing that and the convoy being faster than me, all move away. So I have to pick up some speed to try to catch up and what ends up happening after an hour of doing this is they spot me (i guess they can hear me or see my snorkel and scope) and they make a beeline for me.

I usually destroy the first destroyer but then the other one is hammering down on me.

The problem I am having is trying to sneak up on them and get somewhat close without them seeing me. This convoy is moving away from me at "medium" and "fast" speeds and the most my sub can do is 14-15 knots I think. I dont know what depth my sub should be at for the fastest speeds.

I'm loving this game but I need to learn more tactics and what speeds and depths I should be at to sneak up on those destroyers.

Can anyone offer some more advice?

Thanks! </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

It seems like your having some problems overhauling the convoys.

First you must ascertain the convoys position, heading, and speed.

Second develop a dog-leg pursuit course so you can move to a position that is in front of the convoy.

Do not attack with your snorkel raised. I don't believe "silent running" applies to diesels because they make one heck of a lot of noise.

Moving 15 or 16kts you should still be almost twice as fast as most convoys. But depending on your position, it might take you 12 or more hours to get in postition ahead of the convoy.

Also, when at silent running, manually set speed to 1kt, as this is quieter than ahead slow.

hueywolf123
05-18-2006, 04:17 PM
One more thing, check your depth under keel, because if it's not as deep as you think, you could find yourself as crab food before you know it

rls669
05-18-2006, 04:59 PM
If there are a lot of big targets in the convoy and not too many escorts I'll try to take out the escorts so I can make repeated attacks without being bothered. With the Improved Convoys mod C2s, C3s etc only carry deck guns when they're alone, in a convoy only the Liberties and troop transports will be armed. So it's possible to take out the escorts, armed merchants and then have a deck-gun turkey shoot even late in the war.

If there are a lot of escorts and/or not too many good targets I'll just attack once and then move on. The best targets are usually in the middle of the convoy so it's sometimes necessary to take out the lead or side escort on the way in.

WilhelmSchulz.
05-18-2006, 07:31 PM
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blue_76
05-18-2006, 10:34 PM
it all depends.. timewise i tend to be more cautious after 1943. convoys are almost always a certain way to get killed in the later years of the war.. so i go for the lone merchants.. but early in the war, 1943- i take the risk knowing i have a good chance of escape.

Sabastian_Healy
05-19-2006, 02:25 PM
I go for the large units that tend to hang into the back, and the escort {sometimes an aux ship w/ guns} tend to hang. The rear escort tends to be "less alert" then the one infornt of the convoy.

Example: I make a run at the rear end of the convoy and targetships that are C2", C3's or oil tankers. Fire two torps into two targets, mark my map coz ill pick off the damaged vessels afterwards the main body keeps moving along. Then ill dive and sneak away from the convoy and resurface and calculate a parell run to get ahead of the convoy, then another attack on 2 ships, sneak down and back for the first two stragglers {dont forget to mark the location of the 2nd attack}, then ill come back to the 2nd group.

If i lose track ill look for any updates on there locations {report of enemy convoy} and figure a course to catch the stragglers.

I may not get the whole lot, but in the eraly years the escorts are faily easy to slip away from and with them big boats being targetted, i usually can get 30K o tonnage, to hapilly report back to the base with.

Cheers
Kaluen Healy

HeibgesU999
05-19-2006, 02:52 PM
It really depends oh how you want to play. Do you want to play it like a game, where you have to outsmart the AI, or like a simulation, where the AI is there do provide a challenge to your actions which are determined by what real kaleuns did.

I always suggest to folks they get a copy of the Uboat Commanders Handbook. If you have never experienced a military manual it is very easy to follow. If you have one, you realize the Ubootwaffe really had their stuff together when it came to training and tactics.

The best part is, the book is only $8.95 from Amazon. Buy through the link at SubSim and they get a commish from Amazon.

Literally, every tactical situation has a battledrill described in full detail.

Easily, the best $9.00 a subsimmer can spend.

vietvet1950
05-19-2006, 09:29 PM
More a mind-set than a tactic, keep in mind that many submarines NEVER sank a ship in their career (probably late in the war), but, if I can get two or three kills in a convoy attack I'm a happy guy. If the escorts get frisky I'm gone. If they are asleep at the switch, it might be worth setting up for a repeat attack.

frog7
05-21-2006, 11:15 AM
lol...them convoys are the death of me...what i do is get up say to 4000-3000 metres and let all torps go ...run at fast set to magnetic go for the front ships so if u miss you may get lucky....then RUN RUN like the wind

Whermacht02
05-21-2006, 11:18 AM
Hey!! What I do almost all the time is try to "outrun" the convoy while remaining out of their detection range. I mean, sprint on the surface until im in a position on which i know that the convoy will pass. Once Im in that position, i wait for them at periscope depth. Since im only standing still in their way, the chances that they will find me are not too high. Once that i feel ok with the distance to the escorts (1800-2100 mts), i try to catch them first. Without escorts, it is far easier to finish the rest off. Once that i get rid of the escorts, I always go for the fat targets first: C3's, T2, T3, etc... Once they are gone, i finish the smaller ones with deck gun whenever possible. And like BenBenRodr said, it is good to have 1 or 2 acoustic fishes to deal easily with the escorts...