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HansKnappstick
12-01-2004, 03:12 AM
It is only today that I learnt the sad news. The saddest thing about it is, even the Polish forum members do not seem to care - I hope they are too ashamed to speak, after all what the Poles did to their hero. So let me - a German - post this obituary from the "Times".

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The leading Polish fighter ace of the Second World War, Stanislaw Skalski, wasted no time and made his first kill in the early morning of September 1, 1939. Full of the chivalric instincts of another age, he landed in a field beside the German bomber he had shot down, pulled the two wounded crew clear of the wreckage and bandaged them up before handing them over to the police.

But what he saw the Germans doing to his country soon turned him into a deadly killer. A brilliant flier, with extraordinary eyesight and lightning reactions, he thrived on danger and was entirely in his element in the thick of battle. He often brought something of its danger and exhilaration into everyday life. He liked his drink strong and his women beautiful but difficult. Being headstrong and even quarrelsome, he could be an awkward subordinate, but he was a brilliant unit commander, adored by his men.

He was also an exceptionally brave man. Shot down during the Battle of Britain, he injured a leg and was so badly burnt that he flinched whenever anyone lit a cigarette near him. But he absconded from the infirmary to rejoin his squadron, and since he could not walk properly, let alone run, he would sit in his cockpit awaiting the scramble.

Stanislaw Skalski was born on November 27, 1915, in southern Russia, where his father was an estate manager. Two years later the family moved back to south-eastern Poland. He went to school locally in Dubno, and in 1933 enrolled at the Warsaw School of Political Science. He took up gliding and in 1936 left university to enter the Air Force Officers ' Training School at Deblin. He passed out on August 15, 1938, and was posted to the 4th Air Regiment stationed at Torun.

He commanded a section (six planes) of it against the Germans in September 1939. They were equipped with outdated fighters that possessed less than half the speed and one-eighth of the Messerschmitt 's firepower. Yet Skalski managed to shoot down six German planes before, halfway through September, his own machine gave out.

Along with the bulk of the Polish Air Force, he crossed the border into neutral Romania on September 17, 1939, whence they were evacuated via Syria to France, and from there to Britain. In July 1940 he was posted to RAF 501 Squadron at Gravesend, in which he fought throughout the Battle of Britain. He was twice shot down, but himself destroyed six German planes between August 30 and October 8, 1940, and it was only then that he agreed to go to hospital to have his wounds properly seen to.

It was not until March 1941 that he was well again, and he was then posted to 306 Polish Squadron, forming up at Church Fenton from the remnants of the Torun Air Regiment. In June 1942 he was given command of 317 City of Wilno Squadron at Northolt, just in time for the Dieppe raid. On their first foray across the Channel, Skalski and his colleague of 303 Polish Squadron got bored, since the German fighters avoided combat and concentrated on strafing the landing troops. On the next sortie, Skalski 's squadron flew in front, weaving and veering like a bunch of untrained novices, while 303 kept an eye on them from far above and behind. A large formation of Focke-Wulf 190s saw the unsteady progress of 317 and could not resist an easy prize. It dived down on to Skalski 's Spitfires, but was immediately set upon from behind by 303. Within 10 minutes, 15 German planes had been shot down, with no own losses.

In January 1943 he put together the Polish Fighting Team, better known as Skalski 's Circus, a unit of 15 Polish fighter-pilots who fought alongside 145 Squadron in North Africa in the final push against Rommel. In recognition of his exceptional performance, Skalski was given command of 601 County of London Squadron in Malta - becoming the first Pole to lead a British squadron.

The next year he was back in the Polish Air Force, leading 133 Polish wing over the landing beaches on D-Day and during the fighting in Normandy. On June 24 he scored his 22nd and last kill, a Messerschmitt 109.

In October 1944 he was sent on a staff course to the US, and on his return in February 1945 he was posted to the staff of 11 Fighter Group and later to RAF Command in occupied Germany. By the end of the war he had attained the rank of Group Captain and apart from the highest Polish decorations he had won the DSO, the DFC three times and the American DFC.

He was offered exciting jobs in the RAF and the USAAF, but he believed it his duty to devote his talents and experience to the cause of his own country. On June 8, 1947, he returned to Poland and joined its new air force, founded under Soviet aegis, with the rank of major. But on June 4, 1948, he was arrested for espionage along with other Battle of Britain veterans. He was questioned and tortured, and finally condemned to death.

While some of his colleagues were shot, his sentence was commuted to 25 years. He was amnestied in 1956, after the thaw consequent on Stalin 's death, and was entirely rehabilitated. In 1957 he rejoined the Polish Air Force, from which he retired in 1968. He continued to take an active interest in flying, as vice-president of the Polish Aeroclub, and published a book about his wartime experiences. In later years he lived quietly and humbly in a small flat in Warsaw.

It was characteristic of this awkward and unpredictable man that in 1989, the 50th anniversary of the Nazi invasion, when everyone else in Poland was commemorating their own dead and their country 's sufferings, Skalski dug out of his papers the names of the two Germans he had shot down on the first day of the war and started a search for them through the German press. Incredibly, he traced one of them and the widow of the other, and he commemorated the war staying with them in the Bavarian Alps.

Stanislaw Skalski, DSO, DFC and two Bars, fighter ace, was born on October 27, 1915. He died on November 12, 2004, aged 89.
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He didn't die of old age. He was robbed, beaten up and thrown out of his appartment and died in a hospice.

Salute to a brave man, he is in a better world now.

HansKnappstick
12-01-2004, 03:12 AM
It is only today that I learnt the sad news. The saddest thing about it is, even the Polish forum members do not seem to care - I hope they are too ashamed to speak, after all what the Poles did to their hero. So let me - a German - post this obituary from the "Times".

<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>
The leading Polish fighter ace of the Second World War, Stanislaw Skalski, wasted no time and made his first kill in the early morning of September 1, 1939. Full of the chivalric instincts of another age, he landed in a field beside the German bomber he had shot down, pulled the two wounded crew clear of the wreckage and bandaged them up before handing them over to the police.

But what he saw the Germans doing to his country soon turned him into a deadly killer. A brilliant flier, with extraordinary eyesight and lightning reactions, he thrived on danger and was entirely in his element in the thick of battle. He often brought something of its danger and exhilaration into everyday life. He liked his drink strong and his women beautiful but difficult. Being headstrong and even quarrelsome, he could be an awkward subordinate, but he was a brilliant unit commander, adored by his men.

He was also an exceptionally brave man. Shot down during the Battle of Britain, he injured a leg and was so badly burnt that he flinched whenever anyone lit a cigarette near him. But he absconded from the infirmary to rejoin his squadron, and since he could not walk properly, let alone run, he would sit in his cockpit awaiting the scramble.

Stanislaw Skalski was born on November 27, 1915, in southern Russia, where his father was an estate manager. Two years later the family moved back to south-eastern Poland. He went to school locally in Dubno, and in 1933 enrolled at the Warsaw School of Political Science. He took up gliding and in 1936 left university to enter the Air Force Officers ' Training School at Deblin. He passed out on August 15, 1938, and was posted to the 4th Air Regiment stationed at Torun.

He commanded a section (six planes) of it against the Germans in September 1939. They were equipped with outdated fighters that possessed less than half the speed and one-eighth of the Messerschmitt 's firepower. Yet Skalski managed to shoot down six German planes before, halfway through September, his own machine gave out.

Along with the bulk of the Polish Air Force, he crossed the border into neutral Romania on September 17, 1939, whence they were evacuated via Syria to France, and from there to Britain. In July 1940 he was posted to RAF 501 Squadron at Gravesend, in which he fought throughout the Battle of Britain. He was twice shot down, but himself destroyed six German planes between August 30 and October 8, 1940, and it was only then that he agreed to go to hospital to have his wounds properly seen to.

It was not until March 1941 that he was well again, and he was then posted to 306 Polish Squadron, forming up at Church Fenton from the remnants of the Torun Air Regiment. In June 1942 he was given command of 317 City of Wilno Squadron at Northolt, just in time for the Dieppe raid. On their first foray across the Channel, Skalski and his colleague of 303 Polish Squadron got bored, since the German fighters avoided combat and concentrated on strafing the landing troops. On the next sortie, Skalski 's squadron flew in front, weaving and veering like a bunch of untrained novices, while 303 kept an eye on them from far above and behind. A large formation of Focke-Wulf 190s saw the unsteady progress of 317 and could not resist an easy prize. It dived down on to Skalski 's Spitfires, but was immediately set upon from behind by 303. Within 10 minutes, 15 German planes had been shot down, with no own losses.

In January 1943 he put together the Polish Fighting Team, better known as Skalski 's Circus, a unit of 15 Polish fighter-pilots who fought alongside 145 Squadron in North Africa in the final push against Rommel. In recognition of his exceptional performance, Skalski was given command of 601 County of London Squadron in Malta - becoming the first Pole to lead a British squadron.

The next year he was back in the Polish Air Force, leading 133 Polish wing over the landing beaches on D-Day and during the fighting in Normandy. On June 24 he scored his 22nd and last kill, a Messerschmitt 109.

In October 1944 he was sent on a staff course to the US, and on his return in February 1945 he was posted to the staff of 11 Fighter Group and later to RAF Command in occupied Germany. By the end of the war he had attained the rank of Group Captain and apart from the highest Polish decorations he had won the DSO, the DFC three times and the American DFC.

He was offered exciting jobs in the RAF and the USAAF, but he believed it his duty to devote his talents and experience to the cause of his own country. On June 8, 1947, he returned to Poland and joined its new air force, founded under Soviet aegis, with the rank of major. But on June 4, 1948, he was arrested for espionage along with other Battle of Britain veterans. He was questioned and tortured, and finally condemned to death.

While some of his colleagues were shot, his sentence was commuted to 25 years. He was amnestied in 1956, after the thaw consequent on Stalin 's death, and was entirely rehabilitated. In 1957 he rejoined the Polish Air Force, from which he retired in 1968. He continued to take an active interest in flying, as vice-president of the Polish Aeroclub, and published a book about his wartime experiences. In later years he lived quietly and humbly in a small flat in Warsaw.

It was characteristic of this awkward and unpredictable man that in 1989, the 50th anniversary of the Nazi invasion, when everyone else in Poland was commemorating their own dead and their country 's sufferings, Skalski dug out of his papers the names of the two Germans he had shot down on the first day of the war and started a search for them through the German press. Incredibly, he traced one of them and the widow of the other, and he commemorated the war staying with them in the Bavarian Alps.

Stanislaw Skalski, DSO, DFC and two Bars, fighter ace, was born on October 27, 1915. He died on November 12, 2004, aged 89.
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He didn't die of old age. He was robbed, beaten up and thrown out of his appartment and died in a hospice.

Salute to a brave man, he is in a better world now.

YakLaggMig
12-01-2004, 04:53 AM
Well it's a shameful way of treating a hero, but as a Pole I find it hardly surprising as the 'gift' of laissez-faire capitalism that the West so 'kindly' gave us, created a lack of respect for people born of the creed of selfishness and narcissim that it promotes. Every day in Poland people are beaten up and killed for a few zlotys or even just for fun.

Poor Skalski, the ideals and nation he fought for died; first under the Soviets and now much, much worse; under the capitalist West.

WOLFMondo
12-01-2004, 06:54 AM
Thats really sad, all crime is bad but robbing an old man, especially someone they owe there freedom to is terrible.

TgD Thunderbolt56
12-01-2004, 07:00 AM
Leave the Politics out guys.

He was a good human being who did what he believed to be the right thing. The world is a better place for his presence and worse off in his absence.

TB

Tallyho1961
12-01-2004, 07:03 AM
I'm in the middle of reading "A Question of Honour" the story of the Kosciuszko squadron, many of whose pilots escaped Poland as the Germans and Soviets were invading and pillaging their country.

Many of these exceptional airmen found their way to France and England and, after being mistreated by the French and temporarily ignored by the English, made an enormous contribution to the course of the Battle of Britain and hence, world history.

Sir Hugh Dowding, who was responsible for Fighter Command during the battle, and suffered his own subsequent fall from grace, said of the Polish pilots:

"Had it not been for the magnificent (work of) the Polish squadrons and their unsurpassed gallantry, I hesitate to say that the outcome of the battle would have been the same."

Sad to say, politics caused these brave and gifted airmen to be betrayed by their allies after the war.

The book was co-authored by Lynne Olson and Stanley Cloud and published by Vintage Books. I recommend this book to everybody who visits these forums.

VW-IceFire
12-01-2004, 07:32 AM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by YakLaggMig:
Poor Skalski, the ideals and nation he fought for died; first under the Soviets and now much, much worse; under the capitalist West. <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>
Actually, it would first be under capitalism, then under communism, then under capitalism again. The rest is subjective but the language is classic http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif

This fellow sounds like alot of Polish people who fought during WWII. They were survivors. This man certainly lived longer than he probably thought he would. S! to him.

Udidtoo
12-01-2004, 08:08 AM
It saddens me terribly when I relise that in my life time the last of the brave men and women whos courage and dedication I admire so will have passed from this plane and become only memories.

Here's to hoping the coming generations do not let their sacrifices be forgotten. S'

Arm_slinger
12-01-2004, 09:09 AM
Thank you that man. The people who did that though need stringing out by their bollocks, what they have of them http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_mad.gif

Michcich_303
12-01-2004, 10:26 AM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by HansKnappstick:
It is only today that I learnt the sad news. The saddest thing about it is, even the Polish forum members do not seem to care - I hope they are too ashamed to speak, after all what the Poles did to their hero. So let me - a German - post this obituary from the "Times". <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

Not sure if what you just said was simply "Schadenfreude" or you found a good opportunity to express seemingly deep-rooted contempt for Poles, HansKnappstick, but "be sure" that Poles on this forum did care and (particularly members of 303 virtual Sqn.) were first to speak when we learnt the sad news (do a quick search and you`ll find the threads).

I am not denying the General (Stanislaw Skalski became General of the Polish Air force) died in conditions which can only be described as shameful, but extending the fault onto whole Polish state is exagerration at best. Skalski was a private person and he was robbed by person whom he employed to look after him. This can happen - both in Poland and Germany.

Polish aviation and flight-sim community took action when we learnt about what is happening to our hero - from writing petitions to the President and Prime Minister to trying bring media attention to the case. We were nearly successful in that but then it turned out to be too late...General Skalski had a state funeral and is buried in the "heroes` alley" in the Powazki cementery in Warsaw.

I would certainly prefer the Polish state to be able and have resources to look after our veterans the way the Germans look after their "heroes" - do you remember the big cry-out in german media when it was found in 1996 that german state is paying fat pensions to SS-Brigadefuehrer Wilhelm Mohnke and several other war criminals...? Unfortunately we don`t have such resources and thanks god we don`t have such "heroes" !

On another topic, it`s a great irony that a German guy is now standing up for a Polish aviator who shot down Germans in dozens during WWII. Or perhaps it`s the sign of better times...

fiesetrix
12-01-2004, 12:28 PM
Hmmmm,
someone is expressing his condoloence and you, Michcich_303, talk about "Schadenfreude", "malicious-joy" in english - Man, are u serious? http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-mad.gif

KosiMazaki
12-01-2004, 01:27 PM
As admin of the polish IL2 Community I must say that I totally disagree with that what HansKnappstick sad. When we found out about gen. Stanislaw. Skalski we all wanted to do something for him and like Michcich said we all was sending mails to institutions, TV stations, papers, reporters and to the politics. Here are few topics for all of you who know polish language:

http://212.160.164.236/~apacz/phpBB2/viewtopic.php?t=3329 (appeal about Skalski)
http://212.160.164.236/~apacz/phpBB2/viewtopic.php?t=3372 (about TVN €œUWAGA€ telecast) http://212.160.164.236/~apacz/phpBB2/viewtopic.php?t=3343 (Skalskis dead)

One of our TV stations that calls TVN has sent telecast about this affair but few days later Skalski has died in Military Hospital (not hospice). We all wanted to help, after this hole thing has came on in a day light but it was to late. Another thing is that nobody has known that our Hero will die in few days. I guess if the polish community would have enough power then this case could have end happily. Unfourtunatly, in real life the power is in hands of politics, but in my opinion we have done great job (but not enough) for Skalski.

@YakLaggMig

€œEvery day in Poland people are beaten up and killed for a few zlotys or even just for fun.€

U know what? In Somalia kids are dying becouse don€t have nothing to eat what do You do about it ? (get the point). In all countries all over the world bad things are happening and we can do nothing. Of course it€s not so bad as you subscribe it.

Polish comunity bought garland for his grave (Thx Scoot), we could do at least that, and the second thing what we can do is: to remember...

HansKnappstick
12-01-2004, 01:34 PM
I am deeply sorry to have injured the sensibility of the Polish members of this forum. I assure you I did not want to express any "Schadenfreude", in fact I do not feel that.

As my only excuse for my abusive post I can only say that neither quick nor advanced search on this, international forum did not yield any post about General Skalski. I do not frequent the Polish (nor any other national) forum of Sturmovik.

HansKnappstick
12-01-2004, 01:40 PM
The search function of this forum is apparently a malfunction. It yields no hits even now, despite this very thread is on the first page.

I apology once more.

Rola.
12-01-2004, 01:55 PM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by HansKnappstick:
It is only today that I learnt the sad news. The saddest thing about it is, even the Polish forum members do not seem to care - I hope they are too ashamed to speak, after all what the Poles did to their hero. So let me - a German - post this obituary from the "Times". <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>
HansKnappstick, call me naive, but I do hope your motives to post this info were sincere. But you made a big mistake by starting to blame Polish forum members, having no grounds for doing that. When I start flaming someone, I do collect solid evidence against them - you didn't bother to use "search function" of this forum to avoid a nasty faux pas.

Let me tell you, that 19 days ago, immediately after the news of Skalski's death spread out, I have posted this thread on the UBI forum:

http://forums.ubi.com/eve/forums?a=tpc&s=400102&f=23110283&m=4051079042


Michcich_303, the guy who just flamed you, was so fast he didn't notice my thread and posted another:

http://forums.ubi.com/eve/forums?a=tpc&s=400102&f=23110283&m=6281059042

I have continued posting the sad news on my website www.9-1939.pl (http://www.9-1939.pl) (both in Polish and English), on SimHQ forums:

http://www.simhq.com/simhq3/sims/boards/bbs/ultimatebb.php?ubb=get_topic;f=98;t=013361

on NetWings forum:

http://www.netwings.org/dcforum/DCForumID37/1919.html

Also one of my forum buddies, Redspider, asked me to call a newsperson from "Polish Radio - 3rd Channel" and give her some info on the recently deceased general, so that she could mention some info from his bio in the evening news on the day of his funeral - Redspider arranged all that, but he had network failure and couldn't send the e-mail to the newswoman.

I was among of those numerous members of Polish Sturmovik/LOMAC forum (http://212.160.164.236/~apacz/phpBB2//index.php) who were bombarding the officials demanding some action in the case of the general. We didn't have enough info on this subject, but the news leaked out by the press worried us a lot. Unfortunately we learned about Skalski's fate too late and our action could not help him...

Polish flightsim community bought a wreath and placed it on a grave of our winged hero during the funeral. Can you say the same about yourself or UBI forum members? Next time try to be more careful in judging people. Those who cheated Skalski were one thing, but we're another. In all countries there are some scoundrels, there is no reason to put us in the same bag with them.

In the name of whole Polish flightsimmers community I demand official apologies from you, HansKnappstick.

EDIT: HansKnappstick, as I was writing this post you posted replies - apologies accepted.

Rola.
12-01-2004, 02:24 PM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Stanislaw Skalski, wasted no time and made his first kill in the early morning of September 1, 1939. Full of the chivalric instincts of another age, he landed in a field beside the German bomber he had shot down, pulled the two wounded crew clear of the wreckage and bandaged them up before handing them over to the police. <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

For those who'd like to know more about this event, here is a more detailed description of the story, which I wrote some time ago on the Polish forum:

<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>The Henschel Hs 126 (probably A-1, but maybe B-1?) from 3.(H)/21 (3rd Staffel of Aufklarung Gruppe 21 scouting for XIX Panzer Corps, side code P2+....) flown by Leutnant Friedrich Wimmer & Oberleutnant (navigator) S. von Heyman was shot down by por.(lieutenant) Marian Pisarek, 141 Fighter Escadrille, III/4 dyon (the squadron from Torun), together with his wingman kpr.(corporal) Benedykt Mielczynski. Skalski was in second pair (with por. Karol Pniak) that supposedly aided them (but Pisarek's post-combat report did not mentioned it). After the Henschel crash landed in the field, Skalski landed near it, patched up the wounded von Heyman and took Wimmer (hiding in the woods) as POW using a ....zippo, because he left his VIS pistol in the base! http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-happy.gif He also captured German maps with sensitive information marked on them.

The Committee that confirmed air kills, set up at the end of the war, led by plk.(colonel) Jerzy Bajan, confirmed that Pisarek and Mielczynski get 1/2 kill each. Skalski's claim for 1/4 kill was rejected.

But don't blame general Skalski for colorizing his book "Black crosses over Poland" by saying he downed this plane. It was written in prison, after 8 years of tortures from the hands of communists... http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-sad.gif no wonder that his memory was failing him. <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

Michcich_303
12-01-2004, 02:53 PM
HansKnappstick, I appreciate your apologies. Thanks.


@YakLaggMig

Sluchaj, koles - jak sie chesz pouzalac, ze ci zle w kraju nad Wisla, to moze bys to kurwa robil na innym forum a przede wszystkim w innym watku, co ? Niestety swoim postem zapisales sie jako zwykla menda...

woofiedog
12-01-2004, 02:58 PM
Thank You for your addtional facts and statements Rola. and KosiMazaki.

KosiMazaki
12-01-2004, 03:33 PM
No problem Hans apologies accepted.

S!

Chuck_Older
12-01-2004, 03:41 PM
Crazy world. I beleive that USMC ace Marion Carl met his end under similar circumstances- robbed and murdered


On topic, is Kaz Budzik still with us?

YakLaggMig
12-01-2004, 03:41 PM
KosiMazaki, you obviously don't live in Poland or are one of those leeches that grew fat under the new order after 1989. Everyone knows what a crummy dump Poland is now, with no money for anything, people thrown out into the streets, rampant unemployment, no government support or social services. People are left to fend for themselves, uncared for by their own country. Is it any wonder that a nihilistic attitude where people mean nothing to other people is created?

What are YOU doing about the problems in Poland then eh? Very fatuous to talk about Somalia as if comparing Poland to an even worse place to live somehow makes Poland into the 'promised land'.

But I guess that sitting behind your expensive computer in some villa in some exclusive part and spending your days on the extremely expensive internet playing Il-2 and Polish internet is frightfully expensive, and this just dial up!A luxury few Poles can afford on their meagre salaries. Though if you ARE in Poland, it really gives a clue as to your 'Idle Rich', ivory tower status without knowing what the real world is like. And if you're not in Poland, then it also negates your views as how would you know how it is if you're not there?

Chuck_Older
12-01-2004, 03:45 PM
That's a tad overtly politically intense...you may wish to take it to Private Message

YakLaggMig
12-01-2004, 03:50 PM
Pacalul moja dupe, Michcich_303! Ja wiem ze faszysci jak wy ktorzy nie lubia prawde tylko umia sie zemscic na innych, ale mnie to nie obchodzi. Jestes duren ktory tylko siedzi w domu i gra i nie masz nic do powiedzenia. Wyjdz z domu i pogadaj z ludzmi i moze sie czegos nauczysz!

YakLaggMig
12-01-2004, 03:53 PM
Sorry Chuck_Older and others....will tone it down, just that when my countrymen bury their head in the sand and instead hurl abuse it can be quite hard to take. I have said what needed to be said, now back to the great sim series of Il-2!

Labienus
12-01-2004, 04:57 PM
Nice to see that everything is going in good way in this topic. That my budys corrected what author of this topic wrote and it looks good now. Thx also for apologise HansKnappstick, here u can rarely see someone who see that he is wrong and nice to know that there are some poeple like u. Just next time if u want somethin know about this kind of stuff... just ask... not blame from the beginning http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_smile.gif
I was a creator of one of posted here by KosiMazaki topics on polish community forum.

Oh not everything is going right... posts of YakLaggMig are below any level of talking. And he is a good exemple of kid wich don't know what to do with his time and just flame feeling that he will go unpunished.

Forgive me as always my english.

Synku, idz Ty się lepiej pobaw zabaweczkami jak nie masz co robic. A jak bedziesz mial juz 10 lat to powiedz, to Cie moze nauczymy latac w ILka, bo widze, ze swoje male kompleksiki starasz sie leczyc tutaj. Co biedaczku? Znowu Cie zestrzelili? http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif
Aha, no i dobrze wiedziec, ze Twoje wiadomosci pochodza z ulicy, skoro musisz wyjsc z domu,zeby sie czegos dowiedziec.Nastepnym razem nie idz gadac ze swoimi kumplami w dresikach o Polsce tylko pojdz do biblioteki i sobie poczytaj, bo to z ksiazek wiecej sie nauczysz. Uprzedzajac Twoje pytanie... tak sa tam ksiazki z obrazkami też LOL http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif

Michcich_303
12-01-2004, 05:03 PM
YakLaggMig - naucz sie najpierw gramatycznie mowic po polsku, to byc moze wtedy bedziesz mogl wystepowac w imienu Polakow na roznych forach. Jak na razie sprawiasz wrazenie nieokrzesanego ciolka z Greenpoint`u...a do tego mendy, ktora oczernia wlasny kraj przed innymi.

Sorry guys, I just had to tell a couple of words to an a$$hole, who can`t even speak Polish gramatically, but instead chooses to smear his own country in an international forum.

He is right though, let`s get back to the great IL2 series http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif

Rola.
12-01-2004, 05:12 PM
YakLaggMig, it was you who started to throw dirt at your own country in a thread devoted to a deceased veteran. Apart from the fact, that this was wrong place and time to start such discussion, do you also know the saying "Zly to ptak, ktory wlasne gniazdo kale"? (It's a bad bird, which blemishes its own nest).
If you want to do something for Poland, start from working there and not by flaming your country and kinsmen on international forum. Vote for the right politicians, report the cases of corruption, work hard & honest, share what you have with the poor...
It won't do us any good if we start complaining how bad is the situation here - noone will help us anyway, it is us who should take action in our own homes.
Too bad the only thing you can do is to mouth off on internet forum, where anonymity makes you feel safe to say any rubbish with complete impunity.

Thog-
12-01-2004, 05:13 PM
Thanks for letting us know about this. My condolences. I've heard about this guy since my very first WWII avaition book, on the early air war, put out by Time.

Josiv_
12-01-2004, 05:15 PM
Dont feed trolls.

Chuck_Older
12-01-2004, 05:51 PM
Can any of our Polish members comment on whether or not Kaz Budzik is still with us?

Rola.
12-02-2004, 02:43 AM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by Chuck_Older:
Can any of our Polish members comment on whether or not Kaz Budzik is still with us? <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>
lol, first time I thought you mentioned somebody from the UBI forum, now I get it - F/Lt Kazimierz Budzik http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-wink.gif

Unfortunately I don't have the knowledge to either confirm or deny whether he is alive. However there are groups of people who may know this, try posting at this forum:

http://www.psr.netfriend.org/mysliwcy/forum/watki.php?id=128&ustaw=

Here is his bio - no death date yet, so far so good:
http://www.psr.netfriend.org/mysliwcy/ksiega/test.php?status=B&litera=B&nazwisko=Budzik&imie=Kazimierz

Also there is a non-comprehensive list of living Polish pilots - veterans of WW2 (specifying the units they served in) :

http://polishairforce.biskupin.wroc.pl/zyjacy.html

Old_Canuck
12-02-2004, 08:16 AM
Stanislaw Skalski was not killed and robbed by the Communist system or the Capitalist system. He was killed and robbed by a greedy individual. Every nation spawns them regardless of the political system.

Heavy_Weather
12-02-2004, 11:22 AM
nice story, thx for sharing http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-wink.gif

blue_76
12-02-2004, 11:34 AM
hmmmm... a very distinguished career.. salut! to a great man and a hero.
its just amazing to hear great stories like that. case in point, the ace Hans Ulrich Rudel who flew his stuka from the beginning till the end of the war with over 2300 missions at the eastern front. It goes to show, its not about the planes, its about the men who flew them.
I'm sure Stanislaw Skalski will be remembered and appreciated as a hero of Poland.

Bearcat99
12-02-2004, 11:34 AM
<span class="ev_code_BLACK">~!S!~</span> RIP... http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-indifferent.gif

Sir.Robin-1337
12-02-2004, 11:43 AM
He helped to save my country.

S!

Aaron_GT
12-02-2004, 02:43 PM
"I'm in the middle of reading "A Question of Honour" the story of the Kosciuszko squadron, many of whose pilots escaped Poland as the Germans and Soviets were invading and pillaging their country."

Good book. I read it a few months ago.

rutkov
12-03-2004, 03:04 AM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by Chuck_Older:
Can any of our Polish members comment on whether or not Kaz Budzik is still with us? <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>
Kaz Budzik in August 2004 was on demonstrations on airport the Chailey (England), mother airport of his Wing. Rally took place with regard on anniversary landing in Normandy , Poles were invited because 302, 317, 308 divisions were only being stacioned on this airport. This was half year this, so give God's that Kaz yet it lives.

http://www.chaileyairshow.com/

sorry for my english

best regards!

Chuck_Older
12-03-2004, 10:30 AM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by rutkov:
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by Chuck_Older:
Can any of our Polish members comment on whether or not Kaz Budzik is still with us? <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>
Kaz Budzik in August 2004 was on demonstrations on airport the Chailey (England), mother airport of his Wing. Rally took place with regard on anniversary landing in Normandy , Poles were invited because 302, 317, 308 divisions were only being stacioned on this airport. This was half year this, so give God's that Kaz yet it lives.

http://www.chaileyairshow.com/

sorry for my english

best regards! <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

Thank you!
Budzik is a fascinating man

noctee1
12-03-2004, 04:27 PM
Polski as przestworzy umieraj...cy w przytu"ku to zawstydzj...cy obraz naszego narodu. Jestem tylko marnym obywatelem ,ale pobratymcy zas"użeni w walce o wolno""mojego narodu s... mi szczeg³lnie bliscy. Pamię" o Skalskim nie zginie ,pamię" o jego haniebnych ostatnich chwilach nie zginie.Na pohybel nowobogackim w"adzom postkomunistycznej Polski.


Polish flight ace Skalski dying at the plain social institute. It's ashame that we (polands) cannot appreciate the effort done by our natives. I apologize for all We've done to our WWII heroes .Salute
them now!!!
Peter the patomorphologist.

KosiMazaki
12-04-2004, 07:25 AM
Sorry i didint repley sooner but have to work.

<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by YakLaggMig:
KosiMazaki, you obviously don't live in Poland or are one of those leeches that grew fat under the new order after 1989. Everyone knows what a crummy dump Poland is now, with no money for anything, people thrown out into the streets, rampant unemployment, no government support or social services. People are left to fend for themselves, uncared for by their own country. Is it any wonder that a nihilistic attitude where people mean nothing to other people is created? <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>


U write im a big fat *** guy, who doesn`t know nothing about the country i live in,and in fact I live in Wolfenstein Castle have two boats, nine wifes, ten cars, unlike other Poles who live in caves- but now with electricity,becouse before 89 we didn€t have it. From time to time we shoot others just for fun becouse we don€t have nothing better to do. And the best thing is all of mine great fortune I have manage to find work after 89 when was six years old€¦.yeep im a claver boy http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_wink.gif)))))))) BTW: Come here to Jelenia Gora( If u preffer €" Hirschberg, Niederschlesien) and visit my place.


<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>
What are YOU doing about the problems in Poland then eh? Very fatuous to talk about Somalia as if comparing Poland to an even worse place to live somehow makes Poland into the 'promised land'. <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

I do it as every other Pole does, i try to live and work,and in fact i prefer to work-then write here such nonsense. Somalia was an example but u didn€t get it so read again and use your head for once.



<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>
But I guess that sitting behind your expensive computer in some villa in some exclusive part and spending your days on the extremely expensive internet playing Il-2 and Polish internet is frightfully expensive, and this just dial up!A luxury few Poles can afford on their meagre salaries. Though if you ARE in Poland, it really gives a clue as to your 'Idle Rich', ivory tower status without knowing what the real world is like. And if you're not in Poland, then it also negates your views as how would you know how it is if you're not there? <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>


Sure Internet in Poland is for the chosen ones and its very expencive (30-40$$ for DSL) but can asure you and others here that average citizen can afford it,but that u probobly know if u lived here. Ehh what do I know about it? €¦..remember I don€t live here :\


Ok., i end this s***ty discussion with this guy and from this place I wont to apologize for my behaviour and my english http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_wink.gif)). This isn`t proper place,and topic for such discusion.

Sorry
KosiMazaki


Kilka cieplych slow jeszcze do trola:

Zrobie ci mala przyjemnosc i znize się do poziomu jaki reprezentujesz szczylu zasmarkany i powiem ci tak. Zrob cos dla swiata i skocz na cyce ze schodow!


For all of you Vpilots i place here a link to gallery from Skalski funeral (R.I.P.). All photos have been taken by our IL2 Forum member (Thx Scott http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_smile.gif)

In one of theos pictures I can se flowers from polish IL2 comiunity, Polish Aviation Club Members (hard to translate) and other institutions.

We will not forget !!!

http://www.mazak.dami.pl/Stanislaw_Skalski/

Kerosine18
12-04-2004, 08:02 AM
thanks goes to skalski as well for his part in wwII and specially for his part in keeping nazism out of my country (malta) too.

regards

alistair

LStarosta
12-04-2004, 08:08 AM
It is a pity that some of us are spitting and stomping on his grave by arguing in a thread dedicated to his memory.