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TorpedoChris
05-13-2005, 12:30 AM
After seeing lots of posts on Ubisoft moving to develop SH4, that supposedly will be on the Pacific War seen from the american side, I needed to react.
Even if I started Sub sims back in the 90's with Silent Service, running my Gato against the Japanese, I always dreamed of a similar simulation with german subs. After several disappointments (the worse being Silent Hunter II) I was thrilled by the discovery of SHIII. OK, the game is not perfect but is still the best U-Boot simulation I've ever seen. And the modders did a great job in improving it.
However, I'd really like to see it moving to a new stage, even if it means buying an addon (or addons). It has the potential to become THE reference for many years in sub sims and I'd hate to see this wasted. Also, if Ubi releases SHIV I don't think I'll buy it, because I'm much less interested in running an american sub, especially if it's half-finished...
Last point : I'm working in the software industry, so I know releasing patches is not profitable at all and releasing addons is not AS profitable as releasing a new version of the soft. But customer satisfaction is always profitable. See the example of Paradox Entertainment. They provide great customer support, with many patches released and an awesome support to modders. I've sticked to their products partly for this reason.

TorpedoChris
05-13-2005, 12:30 AM
After seeing lots of posts on Ubisoft moving to develop SH4, that supposedly will be on the Pacific War seen from the american side, I needed to react.
Even if I started Sub sims back in the 90's with Silent Service, running my Gato against the Japanese, I always dreamed of a similar simulation with german subs. After several disappointments (the worse being Silent Hunter II) I was thrilled by the discovery of SHIII. OK, the game is not perfect but is still the best U-Boot simulation I've ever seen. And the modders did a great job in improving it.
However, I'd really like to see it moving to a new stage, even if it means buying an addon (or addons). It has the potential to become THE reference for many years in sub sims and I'd hate to see this wasted. Also, if Ubi releases SHIV I don't think I'll buy it, because I'm much less interested in running an american sub, especially if it's half-finished...
Last point : I'm working in the software industry, so I know releasing patches is not profitable at all and releasing addons is not AS profitable as releasing a new version of the soft. But customer satisfaction is always profitable. See the example of Paradox Entertainment. They provide great customer support, with many patches released and an awesome support to modders. I've sticked to their products partly for this reason.

alanschu
05-13-2005, 01:01 AM
Not sure what they're up to. I at least haven't heard any indication.

It seems like there's quite a bit of support for bringing in milk cows and wolfpacks (among other things), so an expansion pack in the works seems plausible. I'm not sure what the sales numbers are (the most important aspect of determining the viability of one...don't want to make one if only 12 copies were sold http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_wink.gif), but it sounds like SH3 has sold well.


I wouldn't be surprised to hear both projects to be in development.

RankMiasma
05-13-2005, 01:06 AM
i really hope SH4 focuses on u-boats again. Where did you hear it would be American subs?

spacefrogs
05-13-2005, 03:25 AM
I´m with you, I surely won´t buy a sim with american subs, that´s for sure. And to point two: I had Ubi for very supportive till the case of SH3. I`m really dissapointed. Keep waiting for THE patch to solve all issues and complete the game but to be honest, I don´t think it´ll ever comes!

TorpedoChris
05-13-2005, 03:30 AM
Mmm, mention was made in posts some time ago. In any case, commercially it makes more sense for Ubi to make SH4 focus on another front. Take Combat Mission, by example, every release was set in a different front...

Slackjaw190
05-13-2005, 03:57 AM
They better finish SHIII off with a addon or what ever or im gonna be p!$$ed off. I aint gonna buy SH4 which will be the same game in the pacific with all the same problems

Heinz_Knokke
05-13-2005, 04:23 AM
Better than SH IV would be an equivalent of a "Destroyer Command 2"

That would be a "new game", more profitable than an addon, and would add immensely to the value of the sim.

I always wondered why they never came up with the idea of doing a navy simulation with all sorts of ship, not only subs or destroyers, but also carriers, battleships, torpedo boats.

This would very likely attract a lot more players than a more restricted sim with only U-boats.

As for the addons, many companies are releasing tools to add content to their games: it extends greatly the life of the game, and helps tremendously to make it "THE" reference. Could be a good idea to do tat, Ubi. Think of what the game could be if 3rd party designers could add more ships, landscape elements, etc...

Gbucket
05-13-2005, 04:34 AM
Ignore the rumours; nothing's been announced about Silent Hunter IV expect that it's going to be released sometime next year.

TorpedoChris
05-13-2005, 08:09 AM
Ubirazz,

Thanks for the info. Any news about a possible add-on for SHIII ?

Johan217
05-13-2005, 08:34 AM
How about some wild speculation http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_smile.gif

Just imagine that SHIV - Pacific or whatever - can be standalone but also 'plugged in" into SHIII. A bit like the IL2/Pacific Fighters flightsim series... That way SHIII would benefit from new features that are introduced by SHIV (more speculation: request escort into port, communication with friendly ships, more crew interaction...) Devs are welcome to steal a few of these ideas http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_wink.gif

TheRealWulfmann
05-13-2005, 09:07 AM
While I hope for a great add on to SH3 and the U-boat war is the better sub combat I would some day love a US Pacific sub sim
After Florida's hurricane marathon I had no power and read the very long "Silent Victory" on the US sub war. The first half when it was a contest and very dangerous was thrilling. Being able to disable the magnetic warhead but not say so (This is what many skippers did and then the brass would say, see the magnetic works so we will keep using them!) IMO offer the same experience as SH3 with a whole new world. Think of those beautiful Japanese cruisers, Atoga, Nachi, Mogami and the neat battelships as well as carriers, far more plentiful as target with the major battles taking place.
I think the Atlantic is great, but I would surley like to make the Rising Sun set in the Pacific.
Wulfmann

rulle34
05-13-2005, 09:40 AM
Hello all!
I have read your comments and my opinion is that if Ubi wants to make money they will loose many customers if they leave SH III in the way it is an go for SH IV, because it will be about the same people (fanatics in subs and sims) that will buy the game. The best profit Ubi can do is to:
- Patch SH III so it works as it should
- Make and sell a expansion pack that will bring milkcows and possib*lity of participating in wolfpacks. This can also be a great multiplayerfunction and they will reach these fanatics as well.

First after this it's possible to make a SH IV and we will buy it just because we liked SH III so much.

That's my opinion and I hope both dev team and Ubi reads this.

/Rulle