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hshmulik
03-13-2006, 05:30 AM
Hi,

As I'm advancing with my training according to previous recommendations I got here in the past, I'm wondering if I'm not wasting time trying to learn various stuff on an incompatible type of a/c.

The main tip I got here is to start with a Hurricane, as it is a forgiving type of a/c, and can be used to learn the basic stuff like takeoffs, landings and aerobatic maneuvers without getting into trouble all the time.

I figured the next thing to try is some basic combat skills like strafing, bombing, and dogfighting. It seems that although the Hurricane is nice to control, it does not excel at either of the above.

I'm wondering if you would recommend which types of a/c are typically used for things like:

1. Dive bombing
2. Level bombing
3. Ground target attacks (starfing, rockets, etc.)
4. BnZ type of dogfighter (against either fighters or bombers)
5. TnB type of dogfighter

I'm specifically interested in American or British planes.

Would you recommend that I stick with the Hurricane on all the above and only them move on to other types?
Would you recommend that I use different a/c for each mission type?
If I do choose other types, do I need to restart from the basics and then move on?


Thanks in advance,
Shmulik.

hshmulik
03-13-2006, 05:30 AM
Hi,

As I'm advancing with my training according to previous recommendations I got here in the past, I'm wondering if I'm not wasting time trying to learn various stuff on an incompatible type of a/c.

The main tip I got here is to start with a Hurricane, as it is a forgiving type of a/c, and can be used to learn the basic stuff like takeoffs, landings and aerobatic maneuvers without getting into trouble all the time.

I figured the next thing to try is some basic combat skills like strafing, bombing, and dogfighting. It seems that although the Hurricane is nice to control, it does not excel at either of the above.

I'm wondering if you would recommend which types of a/c are typically used for things like:

1. Dive bombing
2. Level bombing
3. Ground target attacks (starfing, rockets, etc.)
4. BnZ type of dogfighter (against either fighters or bombers)
5. TnB type of dogfighter

I'm specifically interested in American or British planes.

Would you recommend that I stick with the Hurricane on all the above and only them move on to other types?
Would you recommend that I use different a/c for each mission type?
If I do choose other types, do I need to restart from the basics and then move on?


Thanks in advance,
Shmulik.

STENKA_69.GIAP
03-13-2006, 06:15 AM
Click on my badge which will give you access to the GIAP site, look on the left set of menus and you will find Training - then you will find a curriculum for Fighter, Ground attack, Carrier ops - fighter, Carrier ops bomber. Download missions and train rather than re-invent the wheel.

These cover the basic weapons delivery skills plus carrier operations. The ones that are missing are Flat bombing and Torpedo which normaly we train online.

Until you reach carrier ops the planes are Russian but they have been carefully selected and matched to the objectives and measurement of each task.

jds1978
03-13-2006, 07:14 AM
Dive Bombing=SBD....nice plane, slow as molasses tho!

Level Bombing (Low)=A20...one of my favs!
Level Bombing (High)=B25...the Norden Bomb Sight works wonders

Ground Attack=P38, F4U, F6F, P47, Mosquito, Tempest

B'n'Z Fighters: P47, F4u, P51, Tempest

Turn Fighters: Hurricane, Spitfire, P40

domenlovrec
03-13-2006, 07:18 AM
1. Stuka
2. They all have the same bombsight mech...
3. IL2 all the way!

Zoom2136
03-13-2006, 07:34 AM
Try to master one plane... the hurricain is a nice plane but is no match for 109F and up... and I'm not even going to mention the FW's...

It's time to upgrade to a spitfire... the Mark V is a great turn fighter (except the 1941 with 4x hispanos... slow... sluggish but packs a hell of a puch http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/35.gif) but it lack the speed... the Mark VIII is **** but lack in armament... The mark IV well this is another story... you can dogfigh (IVe 2x hispanos and 2x .50 cal or the IVc 2x hispanos and 4x .303 (a bit less puch than the IVe)) and offer a complete bomload (1x 500 and 2x 250). And finally the 25lbs boost spit (it's a Mark IVc on steroids).

I would go for the gold and try to master the 25lbs boost version... because it can carry bombs and is a match for every fighter...note that if you carry 2x 250lbs you're top speed will be reduced even afer you have dropped you're bomb because of the added drag caused by the pilon required for carrying bombs)

Flying tips - for spit 25 lbs

Best turn speed 330 - 360 kph
Best "quick" sustained climb speeb (app) 250 kph (that's most altitude change for less groud distance travel (Vx))
Best sustained climb speed - 340 kph (about) (Vy)
Max dive speed - 820 kph (at this speed you start losing excess parts like ailerons and wings http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/sadeyes.gif)

Bombing in a spit is very easy... start at about 700-1000 meter alt (2100 - 3000 feet). Start a (approx.) 30 degree dive (check attitude indicator its shows 30-60-90 degrees angle).
When you get to drop you're bomb maybe 100m altitude you're airspeed should be 400-500 kph. When the target disapear under you're nose... DROP the bomb... 95% of the time you will kill that target http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif make sure you have a bomb delay of about 1.3 sec or you will blow up with you're bomb http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/51.gif

Well have fun... and let me know how you're doing http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-wink.gif
And those are basic

Friendly_flyer
03-13-2006, 07:39 AM
These are all good recomandations, but if you enjoy your Hurricane, ground pounding in the Mk.IIc isn't bad. In fact it's a very nice gound pounder, barred you meet adequat fighters.

hshmulik
03-14-2006, 09:35 AM
You guys are the best http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/11.gif

I'm definitley going to try out the GIAP training missions ASAP.

jds1978,
Is there anything to look out for in any of the planes you recommended? I already found out that taking off in a P-40 is no picnic (that's how I got the recommendation to try the Hurri instead http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-wink.gif).

Any chance other squadrons are offering training missions to download as well? I would very much like to try the American or British planes.


Thanks,
Shmulik.

carguy_
03-14-2006, 10:09 AM
1.Ju87D5
2.IL2
3.P47/FW190F8
4.Lavochkin
5.P39