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Low_Flyer_MkVb
05-15-2006, 05:47 PM
As many of you know, I've taken to nocturnally reflecting upon matters lately, so here's a further rumination for you all to consider. I've been following the speculation concerning the possible spec's required to run SoWBoB and a thought struck me. Would the devotees of any other series of games just shrug their shoulders and say "Well, I'll just have to upgrade then, if that's the case". Or would there be some co-ordinated form of malcontentment from those who felt that the developers should tailor their product to an already attained level of technology? Would CFS4 (should it ever raise it's head above the parapet) shoot itself in the foot by announcing that currently percieved powerful rigs won't cope with the game on max settings? Now we all moan about things from time to time, but I think the fact that I haven't yet seen a post that goes something like "I've just sold my kids to pay for my super-rig and I'm jiggered if I'm going to do it again soon, so I'm not going to bother with this...." speaks volumes about the expectations we all have, and the loyal fan base (if I can use a term usually associated with the marketing of popular music) that Oleg and crew have built up. Just an observation on my part, nothing to get steamed up about.

Low_Flyer_MkVb
05-15-2006, 05:47 PM
As many of you know, I've taken to nocturnally reflecting upon matters lately, so here's a further rumination for you all to consider. I've been following the speculation concerning the possible spec's required to run SoWBoB and a thought struck me. Would the devotees of any other series of games just shrug their shoulders and say "Well, I'll just have to upgrade then, if that's the case". Or would there be some co-ordinated form of malcontentment from those who felt that the developers should tailor their product to an already attained level of technology? Would CFS4 (should it ever raise it's head above the parapet) shoot itself in the foot by announcing that currently percieved powerful rigs won't cope with the game on max settings? Now we all moan about things from time to time, but I think the fact that I haven't yet seen a post that goes something like "I've just sold my kids to pay for my super-rig and I'm jiggered if I'm going to do it again soon, so I'm not going to bother with this...." speaks volumes about the expectations we all have, and the loyal fan base (if I can use a term usually associated with the marketing of popular music) that Oleg and crew have built up. Just an observation on my part, nothing to get steamed up about.

tHeBaLrOgRoCkS
05-15-2006, 06:12 PM
Cor you let the bloody cat aat the bag with that one an no mistake chum http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_eek.gif

It is an interesting one and as someone entertaining the idea of procreation in the near future and all the lack of coinage that that will entail. I am just ever so slightley dismayed that my already sadly underperforming rig is destined for the elephantine mausoleum as it were.

Perhaps it is because our traditional whiners and wailers (with one or two exceptions) come from a country where said upgrades are actualy quite cheap in comparison?

One thing I have noticed over the years with all products of the electrical type, is that a motherboard costing $200 in the land of our colonial cousins will cost on average 200 to 250 back in dear ol mother Britain a price hike of almost 50% allowing for fluctuations in exchange rate and such.

Now I have come to accept this as the norm and, I daresay some would chuckle and say serve you right you limey gits, perhaps both you and I should consider repatriating our selves to the land of free?

do you think their women are as Hairy ? I hope so. http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/winky.gif

Pass the Port

Low_Flyer_MkVb
05-15-2006, 06:25 PM
To hairy women...everywhere!

tHeBaLrOgRoCkS
05-15-2006, 06:33 PM
Hear Hear although I draw the line at beards



http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v323/tHeBaLrOgRoCkS/drunkint1.jpg

Low_Flyer_MkVb
05-15-2006, 06:46 PM
Indeed. That was everywhere geographically, not anatomically http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/25.gif

WTE_Galway
05-15-2006, 08:01 PM
i think most people realise that the alternative is to get a version of BoB with all the high end features disabled until "release II" or some such .. for no reason other than to avoid whining from reviewers and users with low end machines

if this new game is expected to have the longevity of IL2 than it would actually be disappointing if it ran fine with everything maximised on current machines


the complaint seems to actually be something like this ..

' I refuse to run with settings below "perfect" as it hurts my ego .. so I want the game developers to nobble the game so i can run it at "max" on my PC even though i will get the same results by choosing "medium graphics" on the more advanced game. '

It really reminds of the guy in the movie "Spinal Tap" that had all the knobs on his guitar amp labelled 1 to 11 rather than 10.

woofiedog
05-15-2006, 08:13 PM
I sort of understand what your saying... about British women.

A Line in the Sand... should be drawn though when it comes to Beard's! http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif

http://www.bbc.co.uk/bbcthree/imagedump/4042.jpg

http://www.monstersandcritics.com/artman/uploads/robbie.jpg

marc_hawkins
05-15-2006, 08:54 PM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Hear Hear although I draw the line at beards </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">I sort of understand what your saying... about British women. </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

http://i35.photobucket.com/albums/d156/marc410/lesdawsonshow_2.jpg

horseback
05-15-2006, 09:01 PM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by tHeBaLrOgRoCkS:
Cor you let the bloody cat aat the bag with that one an no mistake chum http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_eek.gif

It is an interesting one and as someone entertaining the idea of procreation in the near future and all the lack of coinage that that will entail. I am just ever so slightley dismayed that my already sadly underperforming rig is destined for the elephantine mausoleum as it were.

Perhaps it is because our traditional whiners and wailers (with one or two exceptions) come from a country where said upgrades are actualy quite cheap in comparison?

One thing I have noticed over the years with all products of the electrical type, is that a motherboard costing $200 in the land of our colonial cousins will cost on average 200 to 250 back in dear ol mother Britain a price hike of almost 50% allowing for fluctuations in exchange rate and such.

Now I have come to accept this as the norm and, I daresay some would chuckle and say serve you right you limey gits, perhaps both you and I should consider repatriating our selves to the land of free?

do you think their women are as Hairy ? I hope so. http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/winky.gif

Pass the Port </div></BLOCKQUOTE>As hairy as you, mate? I should hope not!

As for me, why anyone with the normal complement of brain cells would cough up over $100 for a motherboard is beyond me-the low-end models all come with 4 DDR RAM slots, the 10-100Mb ethernet circuitry, firewire, a 7.1 sound chip and between 4 and 8 USB connections-with decent video and sound cards, who needs all the bells and whistles?

My MSI Neo4-F cost me $82, and it has all the stuff I need.

You and any member of our exalted brotherhood have a standing invitation to nip over the pond to San Diego and say howdy. I'll gladly buy you a beer & a fish taco (and apologize for the quality of the beer), recommend a good sunscreen, give you good directions to Sea World and the Zoo, and show you around some of our local computer shops run by surly Asians with the best prices.

cheers

horseback

woofiedog
05-15-2006, 09:18 PM
marc_hawkins... I think they were over a couple of booth's at the Dirty Fokker last week-end. http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif

Just looking to be picked up for a Dance or two.

woofiedog
05-15-2006, 09:27 PM
And the look of the New Curry & Bean Diet Plan...

http://www.frsa.com/pixfemuscle/LauraCreavalle.jpg

slo_1_2_3
05-15-2006, 09:34 PM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by woofiedog:
And the look of the New Curry & Bean Diet Plan...

http://www.frsa.com/pixfemuscle/LauraCreavalle.jpg </div></BLOCKQUOTE>\
Great just great nightmare's for sure now http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_eek.gif http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/sadeyes.gif

tHeBaLrOgRoCkS
05-15-2006, 09:38 PM
I aint that hairy! Why me and chef were having a pint the other day when we were refitting the fokker for the 100 page celebrations and every one commented on how lovely I was looking

http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/inlove.gif

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v323/tHeBaLrOgRoCkS/bob.jpg

Thanks for the invite though. How are the bananas?

woofiedog
05-15-2006, 09:48 PM
http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/10.gif... http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-very-happy.gif

Low_Flyer_MkVb
05-16-2006, 03:36 PM
Now, before this thread became somewhat diverted by speculation as to Balrog's hirsuteness, I must concur with WTE_Galway's perceptive observation. It's as if a subliminal "We'll all grow together" attitude has taken hold of our happy band. Which brings me back to my original supposition; would any other developer get this response?

VW-IceFire
05-16-2006, 04:05 PM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by Low_Flyer_MkVb:
As many of you know, I've taken to nocturnally reflecting upon matters lately, so here's a further rumination for you all to consider. I've been following the speculation concerning the possible spec's required to run SoWBoB and a thought struck me. Would the devotees of any other series of games just shrug their shoulders and say "Well, I'll just have to upgrade then, if that's the case". Or would there be some co-ordinated form of malcontentment from those who felt that the developers should tailor their product to an already attained level of technology? Would CFS4 (should it ever raise it's head above the parapet) shoot itself in the foot by announcing that currently percieved powerful rigs won't cope with the game on max settings? Now we all moan about things from time to time, but I think the fact that I haven't yet seen a post that goes something like "I've just sold my kids to pay for my super-rig and I'm jiggered if I'm going to do it again soon, so I'm not going to bother with this...." speaks volumes about the expectations we all have, and the loyal fan base (if I can use a term usually associated with the marketing of popular music) that Oleg and crew have built up. Just an observation on my part, nothing to get steamed up about. </div></BLOCKQUOTE>
Well my thoughts and feelings on the following are:

1) Simulators are always on the bleeding edge and when you come out with a new simulator you always know that you need to evaluate what sort of system you have and what they think is ideal.

2) Oleg is probably trying to future proof Storm of War as much as possible. No doubt improvements in the future of this series will add complexity like PF did to AEP and AEP did to FB and FB did to Il-2. So a jump in requirements is going to be true.

3) Many people have been running the current game at the bare minimum. I realize not everyone has the monetary power to purchase new computers every few years but you have to expect that as games push forward in technology and simulators push into new realms of detail that the requirements go up and your 6 or 7 year old computer thats just barely scraping along now is probably not going to give a good experience later. So to those who insist that the games must accomodate their old system...I really have to say that you have to accept that they cannot pull magical rabbits out of hats and make this all work.

4) That all said, Oleg should ensure that the game works as best as possible on the lowest possible system. There are two good reasons for this. The first reason is that you do include as many people into the product line as possible. Secondly catering to that level says to me that you're being effective in how you write the game and that there isn't unnecessary code that you can "get away with on a faster system". Someone who does have an awesome system should have a great experience with superb performance while someone on an older and slower system should have an OK performance (Oleg has said this was his intention but again I point to a magical rabbit and how you don't get something for nothing).

I fully expect to have to upgrade to have a great gaming experience. Personally I'm going to wait till after Storm of War: BOB comes out and see how it performs on my current system and see what are the realistically ideal specs for me to run it on. I knew that BOB has been coming down the pipeline for ages and I've been saving and holding off on a new system until after it comes out. I've been saving for years to do this as I would expect many others have been as well. Even if you don't make a huge amount of money but you can afford to run the current game...putting away a little money for entertainment down the line (and I've scrimped and scrounged and done without on occasion) is worth it. I have and I know you can build a very decent gaming rig for $1200 to $1500 Canadian and that money has lasted me for 3 and nearly 4 years of gaming with $100 extra invested for an upgrade to 1GB of RAM and $200 invested because my video card died. That's quite a bit of entertainment for the dollar.

Just my opinion.

Low_Flyer_MkVb
05-16-2006, 04:24 PM
That's a great post IceFire. Some valid points raised. http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/25.gif

ARCHIE_CALVERT
05-16-2006, 05:09 PM
Phaaa... http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-tongue.gif I remember when IL2 first hit the shelves and what happened when I slung it in my old machine... http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-surprised.gif Oh dear I thought, it doesn't work... http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-indifferent.gif

Soooo.... I went and bought not top of the line goodies but stuff that were able to cope with this 'New' Sim, but not cost the earth... http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-wink.gif The thing I did invest in though was a top notch MB, one that would accept all the bits I had bought, but would also allow me to upgrade to something that would 'kick-***' when I could afford it... http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-wink.gif

Build your own, invest in a good future proof MB and pick wisely... http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-wink.gif http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-very-happy.gif

L_F... http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-wink.gif Check your PM... http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-surprised.gif

Low_Flyer_MkVb
05-16-2006, 05:24 PM
Rgr that, Archie http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-wink.gif

rfap
05-16-2006, 07:42 PM
It's all part of the addiction isn't it! http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif
I've a reasonable rig here which runs 4.05 nicely but already i'm thinking Feb 07 or else July 07 for a big refresh. Mr Maddox and co have forewarned us as to their expectations of what will be neccessary to be at what we believe/hope to be the forefront of consumer flight simulation.

I'm thinking either Intel Conroe / AMD K8L
4GB DDR2
A quazi memory / mechanical disk (ala that Samsung / Microsoft venture that was shown a few months back)
Dual Nvidia 7900 SLI (the way prices are dropping maybe even quad!)
The above should be enough to get to medium level http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/compsmash.gif hopefully

In the meantime I'm gonna concentrate on building my input device system up. Just need a CH Throttle & TrackIR and i'm there....

As regards other sims / genres. Look at the upgrades Doom3 and Far Cry brought on? There didn't seem to be much of an outcry when they were released.

Any hobby is gonna cost money. Any addiction is gonna cost way more.