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drose01
03-09-2005, 09:35 PM
Do many people use the rear view mirror in planes that have them?

Anyone find them extremely helpful?

Just curious, as I am just starting to try to take advantage of this tool.

corvette93
03-09-2005, 09:39 PM
Which planes have it and how do you use it?

DONB3397
03-09-2005, 09:44 PM
Sometimes they're helpful for checking other planes in your flight...on the way out.

"In combat, if you see a plane in your mirror, it's too late." G. Rall, commenting on the attempt to put mirrors in 109s.

Daiichidoku
03-09-2005, 09:50 PM
Ive seen pics of a P 51 with two spitfire mirrors, and read about 126(cdn) wing spitfire pilots that actually removed them, as beiing "usless" and "adding drag"

some pilots liek em, some dont

drose01
03-09-2005, 09:53 PM
That quote about "if you see it in your rearview, it's too late" is pretty funny and true, I guess.

There are times when I've gotten the worst of a fight, and am high-tailing it for home base, trailing some bad guys, when I am trying to use it to see if I've shaken them, and which way to evade.

That seems to be the main use for it for me, but even here, I don't always seem to get a good view, but I am not very practiced in it yet.

-HH- Beebop
03-09-2005, 09:53 PM
Since I generally don't shave or comb my hair while flying I've had them removed.

TAGERT.
03-09-2005, 09:56 PM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by drose01:
Do many people use the rear view mirror in planes that have them?

Anyone find them extremely helpful?

Just curious, as I am just starting to try to take advantage of this tool. <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>I find it very useful on the F4u. In that the mirror actually displays the dot bigger in the mirror than it appears when you look at it directly.. In that the mirror is like a lower resolution version of the actual view, thus a small dot in the actual view might only comprise of 1 or two pixels.. But in the mirror it is more.. thus ezer to spot.

BaldieJr
03-09-2005, 09:58 PM
CHEAT! GAMING THE GAME! SOMETHING REALLY LOUD HERE!!!1

MaxMhz
03-09-2005, 10:04 PM
The wonderfull thing about the mirrors in FB is that it has three settings http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_wink.gif

The dreadfull thing is it drops FPS like (allmost) nothing else on an abacus like mine http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/59.gif

ClnlSandersLite
03-09-2005, 10:19 PM
Mirrors = teh awesomeness

WTE_Ibis
03-10-2005, 01:55 AM
I have to turn them off as my handsome reflection
causes me to forget all else. http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/heart.gif

Cippacometa
03-10-2005, 02:26 AM
Unfortunately, almost all mirrors in pictured in FB-AEP-PF are too small to be really useful (this doesn't want to be a criticism of the game, which does its best to model the airplanes!).
To be really of some use, one should be able to move his head sideways like in RL in order to have a better look in the back through the mirror.
I found that the only 2 mirrors in FB-AEP-PF that are of some utility are those of F4Us and of La-7, since they are big enough to give you some field of vision. Those of Spits or of P-38, for example, are just too small to show you anything, unless when the bandit is leveled on your 6 at 300 m... but then it's too late! http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_eek.gif
Anyway, the problem of FPS dropping is quite a big one to keep mirrors on, especially when there's a lot of stuff flying around.

Von_Zero
03-10-2005, 02:35 AM
well.. it's difficult.. in some planes they are really useful, like the Corsair, or the Hurri. In the P38 i find it so and so... it could be worse, but it could be much better too... On the other hand the mirror on th IAR80/81 is virtually useles... nu matter if you use the toogle gunsight view or the wide view, in order to see anything behind, you have to either turn the plane, or make a half loop, so you can "catch" it in the mirror. http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_frown.gif

-HH-Dubbo
03-10-2005, 02:55 AM
Ah yes, but watching the carrier or airfield recede away in the mirror is nice.

Tallyho1961
03-10-2005, 03:23 AM
I find a mirror quite useful, albeit not a major advantage. On a number of occasions I've caught sight of an unidentfied a/c in my rear view and taken steps to ID him while he's still far enough away that I've got choices. In busy dogfights I've looked up and seen a pursuing bandit in time to evade him or I've seen him drop away to one side and been able to follow. I figure a mirror is just one more tool in the kit, and I'd rather have that tool than not, even if I don't use it that often.

As reference for the curious, Allied a/c with mirrors that I am aware of are:

Spitfire
Hurricane
Lightning
Warhawk
Wildcat
Corsair - it's attached to the Corsair's canopy so keep it closed if you want to see the mirror.
La-7

Note that the toggle sequence, once you've bound a key to it, is lo-res/hi-res/off. As others have posted, mirrors eat a few FPS. I have a mid-level graphics card (9600XT) and use mirrors satisfactorily with quite high overall graphics settings.

pacettid
03-10-2005, 05:11 AM
http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/351.gif

SpartanHoplite
03-10-2005, 06:04 AM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by Tallyho1961:
I find a mirror quite useful, albeit not a major advantage. On a number of occasions I've caught sight of an unidentfied a/c in my rear view and taken steps to ID him while he's still far enough away that I've got choices. In busy dogfights I've looked up and seen a pursuing bandit in time to evade him or I've seen him drop away to one side and been able to follow. I figure a mirror is just one more tool in the kit, and I'd rather have that tool than not, even if I don't use it that often.

As reference for the curious, Allied a/c with mirrors that I am aware of are:

Spitfire
Hurricane
Lightning
Warhawk
Wildcat
Corsair - it's attached to the Corsair's canopy so keep it closed if you want to see the mirror.
La-7

Note that the toggle sequence, once you've bound a key to it, is lo-res/hi-res/off. As others have posted, mirrors eat a few FPS. I have a mid-level graphics card (9600XT) and use mirrors satisfactorily with quite high overall graphics settings. <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

The Thunderbolt has them, too.

TgD Thunderbolt56
03-10-2005, 06:10 AM
I really have no preference. There are times I use them, and times I don't. Usually, I turn them off when I enter combat as I like the increased FOV better than trying to see what's behind me (I rely more on my wingman for that)


TB

Diablo310th
03-10-2005, 06:18 AM
I always fly with the mirror on. I can keep track of what is coming behind me or after a merge I can watch to see what direction the enemy is turning.

dgaggi
03-10-2005, 06:54 AM
I can't seem to find a setting for the mirror. If you're playing online, does it depend if the server has it enabled? Or can you turn it on yourself? http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/35.gif I'm confused. http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/53.gif

Tallyho1961
03-10-2005, 07:01 AM
Scroll through the in-game 'Controls' menu and you will find an entry for 'toggle mirrors'. Bind a key to it, then load up a mission using one of the a/c that have mirrors and you will be able to toggle through the lo-res/hi-res/off positions.

Lo-res and hi-res look the same most of the time, so don't expect a big difference. You WILL see the difference on the ground; hi-res will show you exactly what is behind you - buildings, trees, etc., while lo-res seems to use a generic background to minimize the FPS investment.

You'll notice that the Spitfires all have a short 'post' protruding upwards from the centre of the canopy as you look straight ahead - this is the mirror support. The other mirror-enabled a/c don't show this post.

womenfly
03-10-2005, 07:05 AM
Mirrors in aircraft .... the greatest idea the Russian engineers thought of!

Now us Russian women pilots can put on our makeup in flight! ..... http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/25.gif

Saburo_0
03-10-2005, 08:35 AM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by Tallyho1961:


You'll notice that the Spitfires all have a short 'post' protruding upwards from the centre of the canopy as you look straight ahead - this is the mirror support. The other mirror-enabled a/c don't show this post. <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

Turning the mirror on in the Spit reduces you're forward-up view, which is not so great anyway in the later models with the armored glass.
i like the way the mirrors are an option. One I rarely use because of the FPS hit but still kinda neat & sometimes useful as folks have pointed out. I'll probably use them more if i get a system that can run the game the way I like.

Philipscdrw
03-10-2005, 08:53 AM
I use the mirrors as a sunshade occasionally...

Orfson
03-10-2005, 09:24 AM
A question about mirrors and trackIR.
I see that the vector expansion thing allows the system to detect any head movement.
The question: movimg your head and looking into the mirror, do you have the reflected image behave like in real life?

womenfly
03-10-2005, 09:43 AM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by Orfson:
A question about mirrors and trackIR.
I see that the vector expansion thing allows the system to detect any head movement.
The question: movimg your head and looking into the mirror, do you have the reflected image behave like in real life? <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

Yes .... your view will be mirrored (no pun intended) with your head movement.... http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/heart.gif

Diablo310th
03-10-2005, 10:10 AM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by womenfly:
Mirrors in aircraft .... the greatest idea the Russian engineers thought of!

Now us Russian women pilots can put on our
makeup in flight! ..... http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/25.gif <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/88.gif fifi

PBNA-Boosher
03-10-2005, 10:58 AM
It is HIGHLY useful for me, especially since the planes I fly need it. P-40's, P-51B/C, P-38... It helps me a lot.

Monty_Thrud
03-10-2005, 11:03 AM
Very handy in a furball or for those sneaky type personages...definately a bonus to have

dgaggi
03-10-2005, 12:12 PM
Thanks Tallyho,
I looked last night and didn't see it. I'll look again and thoroughly when I get home today. http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_eek.gif