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stef51
07-19-2005, 12:21 PM
As a bomber pilot online, I offer a friendly advice and actually could be considered a request to fighter pilots...

But first...

Bombers are actually gigantic magnets, or from a biological point of view, a large flying juicy amount of honey. It is no surprise that everyone loves us online. It does not take a lot of time to see a friendly or usually not so friendly plane coming towards us.

Now based on this, it is relatively fantastic when someone from your team actually takes the time to escort you on your target. The point I'm making is not that I ask fighter pilots to escort us more; the point I want to make is _when_ you decide to escort us...

Simply put, always fly higher than the bomber you protect.... Yes, simple isn't it? Now, maybe some of you will realise what I'm getting at... http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif

Yes, I know it's cool to fly next to me at the same speed, or doing rolls in front of me and... hey! cool wing smoke!!! And barrel rolls all around me... http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_cool.gif

And before you know it, my AI gunners start firing. Now my escort will save me now for sure.... http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-very-happy.gif

After experiencing that scenario a few times online, it is my duty to make this bomber speech... Have a nice day. http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/25.gif

P.S. In all cases, however, all the pilots never crashed into me which was a relief and yes overall they do look cool, if only they would realise they are doing that in a combat area... http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/88.gif

Stef51

stef51
07-19-2005, 12:21 PM
As a bomber pilot online, I offer a friendly advice and actually could be considered a request to fighter pilots...

But first...

Bombers are actually gigantic magnets, or from a biological point of view, a large flying juicy amount of honey. It is no surprise that everyone loves us online. It does not take a lot of time to see a friendly or usually not so friendly plane coming towards us.

Now based on this, it is relatively fantastic when someone from your team actually takes the time to escort you on your target. The point I'm making is not that I ask fighter pilots to escort us more; the point I want to make is _when_ you decide to escort us...

Simply put, always fly higher than the bomber you protect.... Yes, simple isn't it? Now, maybe some of you will realise what I'm getting at... http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif

Yes, I know it's cool to fly next to me at the same speed, or doing rolls in front of me and... hey! cool wing smoke!!! And barrel rolls all around me... http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_cool.gif

And before you know it, my AI gunners start firing. Now my escort will save me now for sure.... http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-very-happy.gif

After experiencing that scenario a few times online, it is my duty to make this bomber speech... Have a nice day. http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/25.gif

P.S. In all cases, however, all the pilots never crashed into me which was a relief and yes overall they do look cool, if only they would realise they are doing that in a combat area... http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/88.gif

Stef51

Tooz_69GIAP
07-19-2005, 12:26 PM
I agree, if you decide to escort a bomber or flight of bombers, fly high and behind/to the side of the formation, but not more than 1,000m above the bombers (otherwise you may lose sight of them, or not spot trouble coming towards them).

But, in my experience, this generally what most of the fighters who decide to escort do anyway. So keep on doing it!

VW-IceFire
07-19-2005, 12:47 PM
For sure...escort of a bomber is definately best when you have a few bomber buddies and a fighter or two covering you from up high.

Flying formation escort with bombers is suicide...

Platypus_1.JaVA
07-19-2005, 01:08 PM
Let's face it. Bombers are dull. Escorting bombers are even more dull. In online wars, it pays to escort bombers but, very few people will do it in DF or Coop.

Whenever I see a B-25 or a He-111 available, I much rather like to take a detour. Fly around the usual straight-to-enemy-base route. Stay low, deliver your bombs and get out the same way. Your enemies won't have a clue what had hit them and where you are right now. They will eagerly patrol the obvious route but, they will see nothing because you are behind a hill, somewhere far away.

During the long flights between your base and your target, you can put on the level stabilizer and read a book or something. And you have more time to set-up the attack because you won't have to watch the skies for enemy aircraft. no-one ever patrols the less obvious routes. http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/35.gif http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/10.gif

Gogling
07-19-2005, 03:57 PM
Patrols? Ha! The C******nay sipping fighter jocks in the game don't know the meaning of the word! They just fly straight to the nearest furball and go round and round in circles!

All us bomber jocks really want is for these posers to STOP RAMMING US!

If you aint got the skills to shoot me or my peers down, then get back to your furball and stay there! (while I blow your ground targets to smithereens!)

Kuoster
07-19-2005, 05:04 PM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by stef51:
Yes, I know it's cool to fly next to me at the same speed, or doing rolls in front of me and... hey! cool wing smoke!!! And barrel rolls all around me... http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_cool.gif </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

hahah..That section right there gave me a quick laugh. Its true though. Fighter jocks will always be the same bragging, arrogant, Top-Guns. Even if it doesnt show, its deep within.

Being that their are no flyable heavy bombers in lomac, I just cant help-myself but to fly half the way there inverted over the canopy of the B-52. http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif

icrash
07-19-2005, 05:46 PM
Never take the straight shot to target works offline too. I stayed low and hit from a different direction while the flak hammered away at the Stukas. By the time I had made the low level run and almost clear of the base did the flak finally start in on me. No holes in the plane & a happy crew chief.

TC_Stele
07-20-2005, 11:50 AM
Another tip for coops is that I've noticed a lot of escorts running off to chase one enemy fighter, leaving the bomber group about 5 miles ahead while the rest of the fighters hammer away at the bombers. The bombers still need that protection and the escort need only scare away the fighters while staying with the bomber group, not chase the fighters to hell and back to get that extra kill mark on their fighter.

VF51_Flatspin
07-20-2005, 12:21 PM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by Platypus_1.JaVA:
Let's face it. Bombers are dull. Escorting bombers are even more dull. </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

Kinda silly, really. If all you want to do is shoot down enemy planes, and if a bomber is an enemy plane magnet (which it is), then why not stick by the bombers (a.k.a. escort) and shoot up the enemy planes that try to attack her? Not only are you doing the bomber a service, you're getting your rush and points for killing fighters. http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_rolleyes.gif

pauldun171
07-20-2005, 12:28 PM
Zekes vs Wildcats

5-12 G4Ms in formation all the way to target...occasional fighter cover.
Good times

Kapt_A
07-20-2005, 01:21 PM
Speaking of Bombers, who knew that the Betty with 1000Kg of payload and 50% fuel was able to launch from a static Akagi carrier?

mistral_73
07-20-2005, 01:23 PM
I sometimes fly bombers and one thing that I've noticed, is that against one fighter, you're very stronger when you fly in a 2-bombers formation.
I flew last night in an A20 near another A20, an ennemy fighter (FW190) came behind, attracted by the "bomber magnet effect", and although we get a few hits, the gun from both A20s made him going down

pauldun171
07-20-2005, 01:33 PM
Get a couple of folks patient enough to form up nice and tight, get the birds trimmed out properly to fly in formation hands off (with a little breathing room of course to compensate for minor differences in "opinion") and man a gun.

Human gunners across 2-5 bombers in tight formation are just about invincible against "lone wolf at 6'".

VF-29_Sandman
07-20-2005, 01:47 PM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by TC_Stele:
Another tip for coops is that I've noticed a lot of escorts running off to chase one enemy fighter, leaving the bomber group about 5 miles ahead while the rest of the fighters hammer away at the bombers. The bombers still need that protection and the escort need only scare away the fighters while staying with the bomber group, not chase the fighters to hell and back to get that extra kill mark on their fighter. </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

this is why the tuskegee airmen never lost a bomber to enemy fighters. the above was strictly verbotten. their job was to keep all fighters away from the bombers. when a bogey wasnt a threat anymore to the heavies, the red tails returned to the bombers. a high degree of disipline is required to do this, but all the 'top-gun mavericks' online is severely lacking in this category. server maps that also have a set amount of ground targets would be over 3x's sooner if the bombers could last long enough to drop their payload. but instead, we get undisplined flyboys, and we're left on our own like the b-17's were early in the war with disasterous results.

Slater_51st
07-20-2005, 10:00 PM
I really enjoy seeing bombers in DF servers for a few reasons:

1) A properly flown 190(my bird of choice, usually), can easily take down any single bomber(not a formation)in a single pass with little or no damage to himself.

2) Usually, any escort I see with the bombers, though they may be at a higher alt than the bomber, is still lower than me, and therefore not a threat to my performance of #1

3) When the bomber is on my side, and I'm escorting, it's a very good way to get 4-5 enemy fighters so enthralled that they won't notice me obliterating them. It also works great for getting them low, slow, and already damaged(the enemy fighters that is).

4) I love prescision stuff falling from the heavens upon those who don't even know an enemy plane has crossed their lines.

But yeah, you bomber pilots should work together. I can't count the times I'll see 2 bombers, flying just far enough apart that their fields of fire do neither one any good, and they get ripped to shreds. I would absolutely love to try and take on a good sized formation of HUMAN piloted B-25s or He-111s or G4ms online, that would be a true thrill http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-very-happy.gif

S! Slater