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sunflower1
11-09-2004, 01:47 PM
Balrog has Clint Eastwood on his sig now, as NetDaemon reminded me, stealing the Mig-31.

NetDaemon says he loved that movie as a kid....I'm hoping you're under 40 man.... http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-very-happy.gif

I remember seeing that in the dead of winter here in Iowa. After Clint was safely in the cockpit and had some forward motion, we all looked at each other and discussed going out in the extreme cold versus staying and watching the movie. It was about 10 below and blowing really hard. We stayed until the end. Bitterly.

"Eject, Clint, just set it down somewhere and walk away!"

Any other real airplane stinkers come to mind?

eddie_slovik
11-09-2004, 02:14 PM
for me it has to be "twelve o'clock high" staring gregory peck.its a tale of a B-17 group in early 1943 i'd guess as they have no fighter cover.what makes me groan is the archive footage used.time and again you are shown B-17's being shot up by P-47's and spitfires http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-sad.gif

Abbuzze
11-09-2004, 02:25 PM
I would say "Top Gun" very long and expansive Pentagon trailer....

tHeBaLrOgRoCkS
11-09-2004, 02:35 PM
How can you like video gaming and not like Fire fox man ?!?!?!

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Chuck_Older
11-09-2004, 03:55 PM
Worst airplane movie? Well, Firefox featured an airplane, and it was bad. Actually "bad" may not be descriptive enough for this celluloid turd. (I could be a critic easy) But I watched it.

Pearl Harbour must be the all time worst, bar none, inclusive to film not yet made

High Road to China wasn't so bad...but it sure wasn't so good. Did you know that Tom Selleck almost portrayed Indiana Jones? It's true. Good thing he stuck to TV mostly.

Now for TV shows, "Tales of the Brass Monkey" was much better than "Baa Baa Black Sheep", while including a cast member common to both series!

sunflower1
11-09-2004, 03:57 PM
Well Balrog, I'm not sure! I honestly don't remember it well, I just remember thinking that I'd been pretty seriously let down. Politics, religion...movie reviews.....all against the rules!!

I think I was in college at the time, maybe I was an a$$hat movie snob.

Honest, I am a gaming nerd from back when you had to roll dice and consult a table before anything would happen.

LStarosta
11-09-2004, 03:57 PM
Airplane!

Korolov
11-09-2004, 04:09 PM
Hmm, I liked Firefox just fine.

The worst airplane movie I ever saw:

Top Gun

The worst helicopter movie I ever saw:

Firebirds

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xTHRUDx
11-09-2004, 04:12 PM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by Korolov:
Hmm, I liked Firefox just fine.

The worst airplane movie I ever saw:

Top Gun

The worst helicopter movie I ever saw:

Firebirds

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strongly agree

gates123
11-09-2004, 04:15 PM
Iron Eagle and even worse was Iron Eagle II

http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/34.gif Louis Gossett Jr

Jungmann
11-09-2004, 04:19 PM
"The Aviator" with the late Christopher Reeve. I wrote it (the screenplay; novel by Ernest Gann).

Don't rent it.

tHeBaLrOgRoCkS
11-09-2004, 04:47 PM
Awwwwww come on guys Firefox was pure 80's propaganda escapist ****. Sure it don't stand up too well these days but I challenge anyone who was a kid back then (like me) to say they wouldn't have given their right cojone to fly that bird. I mean ffs you get to wear black leather and zip down an ice canyon at warp factor 9 hotley pursuid by the forces of the 'evil' soviet empire! Oh yeah not to mention the weapons fire by thought control !!

ROFL

Lighten up ffs it aint like Pearl harbour thats a fecking insult no matter where your from. And that was despite the availablity of a multimillion pound budget and the latest special effects technology.

3.JG51_BigBear
11-09-2004, 04:50 PM
Flight of the Intruder http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/88.gif

LuckyBoy1
11-09-2004, 05:23 PM
Bad airplane movies... man, there have been so many! My vote I guess would be for Airport 77

sunflower1
11-09-2004, 05:30 PM
"Awwwwww come on guys Firefox was pure 80's propaganda escapist ****"

Well that explains why I didn't care for it, I'd already escaped and it was just wasting my time!

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I tell ya, LStarosta's got a point, goshdarn if that isn't a bad airplane movie!

btw, Howard Hughes made an airplane movie, the title escapes me at the moment, having an old-timer's moment. I saw the restoration of it at the Air and Space Museum about 10 years ago.

There are two things in it that I can't forget. One is the quality of the continuity of the aerial combat- every flight simmer who ever sees it will want to turn his or her head toward the edge of the screen from which the next shot of the action comes. Its perfect. Hughes in fact was fanatical about it and it shows.

The other is the line, "let me go slip into something a little more comfortable" spoken by a woman whose breasts were already pretty clearly visible under her silky dress.

Howard Hughes was something else.

nickdanger3
11-09-2004, 05:41 PM
Beg to disagree on 12 O'Clock High....
Two words Gregory Peck. Best actor in a airplane themed movie hands down. OK, so the footage might not be historically accurate, but the acting is amazing.

Worst: Top Gun.

berg417448
11-09-2004, 05:47 PM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by sunflower1:
"Awwwwww come on guys Firefox was pure 80's propaganda escapist ****"

Well that explains why I didn't care for it, I'd already escaped and it was just wasting my time!

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I tell ya, LStarosta's got a point, goshdarn if that isn't a bad airplane movie!

btw, Howard Hughes made an airplane movie, the title escapes me at the moment, having an old-timer's moment. I saw the restoration of it at the Air and Space Museum about 10 years ago.

There are two things in it that I can't forget. One is the quality of the continuity of the aerial combat- every flight simmer who ever sees it will want to turn his or her head toward the edge of the screen from which the next shot of the action comes. Its perfect. Hughes in fact was fanatical about it and it shows.

The other is the line, "let me go slip into something a little more comfortable" spoken by a woman whose breasts were already pretty clearly visible under her silky dress.

Howard Hughes was something else. <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>



Was that movie "Hells Angels"?

http://us.imdb.com/title/tt0020960/

MrOblongo
11-09-2004, 05:50 PM
Well right now only one thing come to my mind... Ben Affleck (or whatever is spelled) ... in Pearl Harbour... Horrible...Pathetic... http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/cry.gif

LuckyBoy1
11-09-2004, 05:52 PM
By the way, the movie Airport Rocks!

NetDaemon
11-09-2004, 05:53 PM
Worst? the entire Iron Eagle series (I think they got all the way to Iron Eagle XX or something).

There`s also a couple 90s cheap B movies I watched that featured F-16s and Kfirs leased by the Israeli Air Force in pure Iron Eagle style. Can`t remember the names of both flicks but my nose still remembers the stench. I think an F-117 was featured in one of those, but in scale model incarnation.

Top Gun? Worst acting ever, worst script ever (beating Pearl Harbour by only a hair), but some cool air combat choreography footage (not the explosions though).

"Airplane" in this list? you gotta be kidding, best aircraft related comedy IMHO. Anyone remembers the inflatable Auto Pilot? http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/88.gif

@sunflower1: yeah, I was like 10 when Firefox came to town.

GTO_68
11-09-2004, 05:53 PM
Pearl Harbor. A 3 hour movie about a 2 hour battle. I don't think I could even watch it a second time to remind myself just how bad it was.

MK2aw
11-09-2004, 06:51 PM
12 oclock high was awesome. I really disagree. Also Top Gun was very entertaining, it was not a bad movie.

Mk2aw

sunflower1
11-09-2004, 07:14 PM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by berg417448:
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by sunflower1:
"Awwwwww come on guys Firefox was pure 80's propaganda escapist ****"

Well that explains why I didn't care for it, I'd already escaped and it was just wasting my time!

http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-very-happy.gif

I tell ya, LStarosta's got a point, goshdarn if that isn't a bad airplane movie!

btw, Howard Hughes made an airplane movie, the title escapes me at the moment, having an old-timer's moment. I saw the restoration of it at the Air and Space Museum about 10 years ago.

There are two things in it that I can't forget. One is the quality of the continuity of the aerial combat- every flight simmer who ever sees it will want to turn his or her head toward the edge of the screen from which the next shot of the action comes. Its perfect. Hughes in fact was fanatical about it and it shows.

The other is the line, "let me go slip into something a little more comfortable" spoken by a woman whose breasts were already pretty clearly visible under her silky dress.

Howard Hughes was something else. <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>



Was that movie "Hells Angels"?

http://us.imdb.com/title/tt0020960/ <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

(Edit- YES! Miss Harlowe.....omg. The restoration included a little color footage, very cool)

sapre
11-09-2004, 07:18 PM
Pearl Harbor without a doubt.
Total piece of cr@p.
I still can't belive there is a director capable filming such a monstrosty.
Not even worth comparing with Tora Tora Tora.

huggy87
11-09-2004, 07:33 PM
'Independence Day' and 'Behind Enemy Lines.'

LuftLuver
11-09-2004, 08:22 PM
Worst:

http://victoryatseaonline.com/war/ww2/images/633-squadron.gif

Best

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Beirut
11-09-2004, 08:35 PM
Top Gun - I loved it when they talked about the Mig-28 armed with Exocet missiles. Ha!

Pearl Harbor - Barf. Choke. Wheeze. ****.

Behind Enemy Lines. Bleah! Pffffffft! Gah!

Tater-SW-
11-09-2004, 08:35 PM
I liked 12 O'Clock High as well.

Pearl Harbor was horrifically bad. If you spend that much money, and make total ****...

It must take the prize for dollars per unit ****. What's the director's name, we should make a new SI unit named for him. It'll have as dimensions $/sh*t.

tater

TheJoyStick
11-09-2004, 08:36 PM
Behind enemy lines sucked..


Drop tanks as flare suppliments.. Pfft.

S.taibanzai
11-09-2004, 09:28 PM
pearl harbour

i loved when he takes the girl in the plane

in a single engine fighetr lol

and when they atacked the zero's

woohoo

so much Hollywood

The_Ant
11-10-2004, 01:00 AM
Pearl harbour is the worst,the airplane scenes are so overmodeled,like the scene when you are inside the zero and its firing dead center in the gunsight at Bens p-40 and it misses.Then theirs the famous words of Ben Asslick in it.(Ben)to ( Josh Hartnett)
They are zeroes.
Haha they didnt even know what the plane was when they first saw it.
And another great line.
(ben) to (Josh Hartnett) (runNing up the p-40 engine in the hangar).
We (p-40) can outmanouver the zero,but they (zero) can outspeed us.
Hahaha

WTE_Ibis
11-10-2004, 01:38 AM
Pearl harbour has to be the worst and I haven't even seen and don't intend to.
Has anyone seen the movie Flight of the Pheonix.
Gregory Peck I think, something about a plane down in the desert and they made another from a wing and one engine or something???

Gantoo
11-10-2004, 02:37 AM
It seems like there are not any good airplane movies.

Ankanor
11-10-2004, 03:13 AM
There was one "second class" with Michael Dudickoff, the story goes like this, A C-5 Galaxy is transporting 2 F-117, when the terrorists get on board, Our guy gets in the cockpit of one of the F-117s, opens the cargo door of the C-5 and goes out, unfolds the wings in mid-air(PF ANYONE? http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/59.gif), the bad guy follows and shoots a laser-guided AGM-65 Maverick at our hero http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/blink.gif. He then goes on dodging the missile and finally makes the missile hit the bad guy's F-117.


Top gun was my favorite once. when the nearest video rent is about 2500 km behind the Iron Curtain and the only videos are illegally imported "Ninja Commando 5" types, every movie that has airplanes in it is a treasure.

And I loved the Iron Eagle 3.
Louis Gosset Jr: Weapons check.
The British, with a M-79 in his lap:
Checked. http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-very-happy.gif http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/88.gif

and then when he kills one bad guy with the granade launcher and from the blast The Spit makes a half roll and our guy fall out from the cockpit and grabs the mirror, L.G. Jr says:
Hang on!!!
The british:
What do you think I am doin'? http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-very-happy.gif
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Worst, I guess must be Pearlie, Pearlie http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/784.gif
(in Bulgarian the phonetic sounds like "singe") http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/784.gif

Von_Zero
11-10-2004, 03:36 AM
#1: Iron Eagle
#2: Iron Eagle 2
#3: Pearl Harbour
#4: cpt. Sky & the world of tomorow (not exactly an airplane movie, but purely pathetic IMHO).
There really were more than just 2 iron eagle? JUNK!!! http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/53.gif

WTE_Snowhawk
11-10-2004, 03:40 AM
Those of you that didn't like Top Gun and Firefox should realise, these movies were THE BOMB back when they were released. though the cockpit shots nowadays edited with intermittent action just don't quite cut the mustard, these movies are almost twenty years old!
My brother brought me and a bunch of my friends to see top gun in the theatres, and we were all like "Oh man! didjoo see when dat guy blowed up! woohoo! I wanna be a pilot!" kinda the same feeling you got after empire strikes back. "Woohoo! I'm luke skywalker, I got a lightsaber bzzbzzbzzb bzzbzzzbzz AAAAHHHHHH! THERE GOES MY HAND! AAHHHH! YOU'RE NOT MY FATHER YOU BIG F@GGIT!"
Firefox just rocked the house. Especially when he's over the ocean and his slipstream prodcues two huge rooster tales behind him. "Whoah, he's as powerful as MOSES!"

Dudes, twenty years is a long time, you just can't judge these movies by today's standards.

They were icons.

But yeah, Iron eagles sucked, even back then. Flight of the intruder, a classic tale of restrictions of rules of engagement. Awesome film.

PlimPlam
11-10-2004, 06:44 AM
Whoa waldo pepper! Man I havent thought of that movie in years. Great flick.

The worst movie I've seen with planes? Meh too many to list. How about the best instead. The right stuff imo.

Got a real kick out of that movie.


Whos the best pilot you ever saw? http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/34.gif

BaggyPantz
11-10-2004, 06:52 AM
I'm with snowhawk. Top gun was a good film (it's basically a western), and still gets top marks for pacing the action through set pieces. Just look at what other films it 'encouraged' fire birds/wings of the apache (top gun in a helicopter), days of thunder (top gun in a car) etc .....

It's just unfortunate it came from the cultural wasteland that was the 80s (especially US cinema, there are exceptions but thats a little off topic !).

Pearl Harbour was a shocking film by most metrics, but made more money than it cost to make (therefore as far as most people who produced it are concerned it was a good film !) And it put Kate Beckinsale on the map, and helped Ben Affleck start to sink his own career (only a good thing, although he was the bomb in Phantoms (Kevin Smith fan anyone ?)).

Again getting a bit off topic, my vote is the stunning film 'A matter of life and death' with David Niven.

Brotrob
11-10-2004, 07:19 AM
Pearl Harbor ,Pearl Harbor, Pearl Harbor, Pearl Harbor !!!!!! Buรยครยครยครยคrks !!Bรยครยครยคh !

"The Zeroes are faster than our P40's, but ours are more agile !" http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-very-happy.gif

blue_76
11-10-2004, 07:23 AM
Pearl Harbor.. great movie, kate beckinsale... ahhhhh http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/53.gif

Breeze147
11-10-2004, 08:37 AM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by WTE_Ibis:
Pearl harbour has to be the worst and I haven't even seen and don't intend to.
Has anyone seen the movie Flight of the Pheonix.
Gregory Peck I think, something about a plane down in the desert and they made another from a wing and one engine or something??? <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

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Your nuts. Flight Of The Phoenix was one the great movies. Jimmy Stewart, not Gregory Peck. This movie is a hidden gem.

sunflower1
11-10-2004, 10:20 AM
Roger that on Flight of the Phoenix. A hidden gem.

aviatorbill
11-10-2004, 10:52 AM
Ok guys-
Iron Eagle... whatever version is hands down the worst. Remember the first one where he is racing a motorcycle thru a canyon in a C-152? he is barely winning on the final stretch... if you look close he has full flaps down so that he can go as slow as the motorcycle and make it appear like a race... that was one BAD movie!! As for Flight of the Intruder. I thought the movie was decent. Book was much much better but then again they always are! Firefox... well lets just say that Clint must have had a hell of a headwind cause it sucked so bad!

eddie_slovik
11-10-2004, 11:08 AM
when did acting ever become a factor in flight films ? i could'nt care less who says what or how.all i require are great shots or aerial carnage.ie....battle of britain or the blue max.

tHeBaLrOgRoCkS
11-10-2004, 11:12 AM
ROFL well seems you stirred up quite a little party here Sunflower Congarats man http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-very-happy.gif As for all you non firefox fans ?!? Well what can I say but sometimes a movie has to be really bad to be really gooooood http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/34.gif It was an icon airmovie for me as a pup and that is all I can say and as with the Tempest so with the Mig-31 if looks could kill mwuahahhaha http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/784.gif I guess I got the ole black box syndrome pretty bad. Any machine thats black metal and shiney kicks great big giant monkey nuts in my book. http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/25.gif

As for flight of the pheonix it was a bizarre yet very entertaining movie the only thing worring me now is there working on a remake doubtless of the same calibre as a lot of recent holywood remakes. Not to mention a Howard Huges bio staring the appalling dicaprio Gawd help us all.

Blottogg
11-10-2004, 11:25 AM
Breeze147 and sunflower1, the remake of "Flight of the Phoenix" is due out soon, with Dennis Quaid reprising Jimmy Stewart's role. They went to a lot of trouble getting a C-119 for the movie (the original was a C-82 Packet IIRC), and Quaid is a pilot, so hopefully they'll do it justice.

I kind of liked "High Road to China", though I wonder what happened to the Brisfit replicas they built for the movie, but never used. Don't know why they went with modified Tiger Moths instead.

For worst, take your pick of "Top Gun" (went from the "action" section of my collection to "comedy" after I got to pilot training), the "Iron Eagle" trilogy ("Way to fly, Doug!"), the entire "Airport" series, or "Firehawks". "Flight of the Intruder" could have the subtitle "When Good Books Become Bad Movies". "Memphis Belle" for it's revisionist history... "No, we've got to be accurate. There are hospitals and schools (and babymilk factories) near the target." Of course the firebombing of Dresden didn't come 'till later... I haven't seen "Pearl Harbor" nor do I intend to, so can't speak for that one.

To end on a positive note, these are actually aviation (related) movies I like:

Comedies: Dr. Strangelove, Hot Shots, Airplane

Drama/Historical: Battle of Britain, 12 O'Clock High, Midway, Tora Tora Tora, The Blue Max, Piece of Cake (miniseries), Strategic Air Command

P.S. As for "Firefox", couldn't they at least have given Clint some Russian pronunciation lessons? I don't even speak Russian, and it hurt my ears.

tHeBaLrOgRoCkS
11-10-2004, 11:34 AM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>

P.S. As for "Firefox", couldn't they at least have given Clint some Russian pronunciation lessons? I don't even speak Russian, and it hurt my ears. <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

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Daiichidoku
11-10-2004, 11:54 AM
It truly is silly to ask the "worst" aviation movies, as we all know that MOST films released that have anything to do with aviation suck royally...at least from the prespective of an enthusiast such as we

Far easier to find any GOOD movie, given they are so few...

Although it has to do with Britains attempts at breaking the sound barrier just after WWII, check director David Lean's "breaking the sound barrier"...a harmonious mix of cinemetography, technicallity, and story in glorious B&W
if you ever get the chance to view, to so!

Daiichidoku
11-10-2004, 12:00 PM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by tHeBaLrOgRoCkS:
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>

P.S. As for "Firefox", couldn't they at least have given Clint some Russian pronunciation lessons? I don't even speak Russian, and it hurt my ears. <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-very-happy.gif <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>


HEHE a long tradition for hollywood...look at "genghis khan" 1961, john wayne starrring as genghis khan "well, we'll just have to deal with dem tar-tars" ( insert the word tartar for pilgrim, and you get the idea

or more recently, sean connery in "the hunt for red october" 1995(?) as the (?) Lavtian captain, telling of his days of youth in Vilnius....really? Vilnius was in Scotland? sure sounds like it, Sean

Fliegeroffizier
11-10-2004, 12:34 PM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by eddie_slovik:
for me it has to be "twelve o'clock high" staring gregory peck.its a tale of a B-17 group in early 1943 i'd guess as they have no fighter cover.what makes me groan is the archive footage used.time and again you are shown B-17's being shot up by P-47's and spitfires http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-sad.gif <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

I respectfully have to disagree..emphatically.

Twelve O'Clock High is a classic and marvelous movie. Superb acting. Superb story. Fictional, of course, but Based Upon real events and personalities. It is NOT full of aerial combat action footage...in a sense that's not the focus of the movie. It is about leadership and stress of combat.
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The movie was used by the US Air Force in the 70's and 80's (and i asssume continuing even today) as part of its curriculum in the USAF Squadron Officers School, specifically as a case study in leadership/command styles. That is/was a Very High Accolade for this movie from teh real world experts, Better than an academy award Oscar.

Speaking of which, Academy Award Nominations: 4, including Best Picture and Best Actor--Gregory Peck.
Academy Awards: 2, including Best Supporting Actor--Dean Jagger.

Here is a synopsis of the movie's plot...SPOILER: The following reveals too much of the plot's climax/ending... For those who have not seen this movie, I recommend you rent it from your local video store, available on DVD and VHS.
Synopsis:
This compelling WWII drama focuses on the emotional effects the fear and anxiety of war have on fighting men. When a compassionate bomber-squadron leader (Gary Merrill) resists taking his scarred, jumpy men on one more near-suicidal daytime mission, he's replaced by by-the-book general Gregory Peck. After exposure to the dangers his men face, Peck becomes more uncertain than his predecessor, even suffering a nervous collapse from the stress. One of the few war films to depict the real human costs of war (based on the true story of Gen. Frank Armstrong)....


Another BEST aviation movie would be:
"30 Seconds over Tokyo"

As for WORST aviation movie, that's easy:
1st Place Worst--ALL the Iron Eagle movies, as a boxed set.

2nd Place Tie--TopGun and Pearl Harbor

IMHO

blue_76
11-10-2004, 12:55 PM
I agree with you Fliegeroffizier, i own the dvd and watched it several times. Its about the stress of war and leadership. One man making a difference... It doesn't take great visual effects or lots of aerial combat footage to make a great movie.

tHeBaLrOgRoCkS
11-10-2004, 01:07 PM
12'oclock high is in my collection and yes I think it works very well and has an almost Catch 22 quality about it in some places although much darker.

I haven't seen breaking the sound barrier I will have to keep an eye out for that one.

And that is a good point about all aviation movies being some what liberal with the truth.

Labcoats should definately be left at the door when visiting the cinema or watching any movies if you intend to enjoy yourself. Of course I can take a liberal amount of sugar but in the case of certain movies *cough*pearl harbour*cough* no amount can hide the smell.

han freak solo
11-10-2004, 02:09 PM
Airplane is great!!

"Surely you can't be serious." "Stop calling me Shirley" Not accurate quoting, but those who have seen it know it.

Pearl Harbor gets my vote for the worst movie. Great computer animation as far as looks. But, the manuvering? Hmmm, how about a diving roll before I release my bomb directly on target? Horrible idea that 2 guys save the world nearly single handedly.

Woof603
11-10-2004, 02:39 PM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by Jungmann:
"The Aviator" with the late Christopher Reeve. I wrote it (the screenplay; novel by Ernest Gann).

Don't rent it. <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

So you're you a screenwriter, Jungmann. That's great. What other movies have you been involved in? Any other flying flicks? http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-very-happy.gif

Platypus_1.JaVA
11-10-2004, 02:48 PM
The Iron eagle series of movies.

Hands down the worst ever. Not just because it is bad but, because they managed to collect money for THREE movies. Such rubbish. It is fun for someone to watch with their friends, a big load of alcohol and then making bets on who can find the most errors in the movie (aircraft related, not other errors)

Platypus_1.JaVA
11-10-2004, 02:59 PM
Reading these posts, I wonder, what is the defenition of a 'bad airplane movie' For me, it is bad when I discover errors in the movie wich are aircraft related. Not the acting or the script. You cann't measure how good the acting or script is, one person likes it and another doesn't. SO, who is right?

Iron eagle wins big time, when speaking of errors in aircraft related issues. F-4's have to play MiG-21's. (I guess they couldn't afford any small F-5 or T-38's?) Early P-51 has to play as Me-109. In the same movie, the spit pilot happens to kill an opponent in a dogfight with a grenade launcher wich he fires from the cockpit http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_smile.gif

Or, numerous errors with aircraft loadout. Like F-16's dropping numerous (MK-82?) bombs when they appeared to have only sidewinders at take off and they said they loaded AGM-65 Mavericks

Makes me laugh my head off every time I see those movies http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_smile.gif

sunflower1
11-10-2004, 04:18 PM
"It truly is silly to ask the "worst" aviation movies,"

Yep, it is. But there's this whole community of airplane nerds connected here and its amazing what can come out sometimes. Do a little forum search for a thread on Dr. Strangelove that took place about a month ago. Fascinating stuff. So many well read, intelligent people here.

Be sure not to miss Howard Hughes' Hell's Angels, if only to see combat sequences where the aircraft are where they're supposed to be, even when you can't see them. Ms. Harlowe essentially naked is pretty good, too. Be sure to have your heart medicine handy.

Dr. Strangelove begins with an aircraft shot. Well the shot has airplanes in it. Slim Pickens is unforgettable as Major Kong and we see him exclusively in his B-52 (and on one of its bombs). Lots of footage of the inbound flight......hmmmm, an appearance by an RAF officer, Lionel Mandrake. I dunno, sounds like an airplane movie. We can change to best ones now if ya'll want.

sunflower1
11-10-2004, 04:21 PM
There's a real art to showing an airplane off at its best. Steven Spielberg makes sweet love to the P-51 at the end of Empire of the Sun.

eddie_slovik
11-10-2004, 04:42 PM
sorry folks but i'm not having any of that blairite claptrap about 12o'clock high,it was undiluted poo.i'd rather be forced to sit through endless reruns of pearl harbor while being fed subliminal messages of top gun.

tHeBaLrOgRoCkS
11-10-2004, 05:23 PM
Blarite claptrap ?!? What the bloody hell has Blair got to do with it ? Explaine yourself imediatley or face my Wrath unbeliever!!

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Fliegeroffizier
11-10-2004, 05:52 PM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by eddie_slovik:
sorry folks but i'm not having any of that blairite claptrap about 12o'clock high,it was undiluted poo.i'd rather be forced to sit through endless reruns of pearl harbor while being fed subliminal messages of top gun. <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>



Anyway..to each his own. You have one viewpoint about Air combat movies. The United States Air Force has a different one. What can I say?

Actually, I think your screenname says it all...for those who get the reference to eddie.

eddie_slovik
11-10-2004, 06:00 PM
please dont go there with regard to my screen name.i'm on eddies side not the US army.

heywooood
11-10-2004, 06:05 PM
Greatest warplane flick ever?...12 o'clock High
ofcourse.

This film really defined the genre straight from the start. When they drag the injured pilot out of the B17 in the opening scene and the Flight surgeon says "I never thought it was possible - you can see his brains"...because the pilot had taken a 20mm shard off his dome and it had made him crazy instead of killing him. The 20 something year old copilot has to wrestle with him and fly the plane until the bombardier realizes ther is a problem in the cockpit and etc... so they continue on - hit the target and fly all the way home with this poor guy having to be held down and....man its just the greatest film ever. It really takes you through all the psychological drama very effectively withoud a bludgeon and there isn't any of Hollywood's current infatuation with the rediculous 'love triangle' plot graft that has killed air war pics since whenever.

If there was one tiny nick against it, I would say that it was a shame they had to use P47's etc as enemy planes in one or two scenes...but you would have to be a real simon to let that get to you..... http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/blink.gif...what?

Should I have read the whole thread?

eddie_slovik
11-10-2004, 06:21 PM
am i not entitled to an opinion without it being inferred that i am as you put it," a simon " ?
i'm not familiar with that context but the derogatory manner in which it was applied is both obvious and insulting.

ginger_cat
11-10-2004, 06:42 PM
I'm not so sure about the worst airplane movie, but I'm surprised that no-one has mentioned The Battle of Britain or Tora Tora Tora when talking about good examples of airplane movies! Airplane movies aren't produced for airplane enthusiasts but for box office bucks - so, from 'our' perspective, there will almost always be some compromise.

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tHeBaLrOgRoCkS
11-10-2004, 06:55 PM
Quite so !! Ginger !! You tell em.

As for you buggers with the droopy attitudes buck up or ship out! Mud pies are for kindergarten

That Dark blue world (can never remember the title) film was an excellent movie <--- read MOVIE!! My missus cried when he lost his dog I have never seen a war film affect her like that?

Ok I admit it, it choked me up some too. http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/cry.gif

knightflyte
11-10-2004, 08:07 PM
Firefox was a bad book before it was a bad movie.
I'm surprised it was ever made. I did a book report on it in the tenth grade. (Gawd I feel O...L....D)

As a pup it was a bit exciting then I saw the movie.....what a boring piece of steaming....
It made Bronko Billy llook Good.


BAD aircraft movies?.......... MIDWAY with sensurround. The best part of that was the bombs going off and the theatre would shake and rumble because of several well placed WOOFER speakers that impacted your body. It was supposed to intensify the feeling of the fight scenes.

If I ever again see that stock footage of the HELLCAT crashing into the aircraft carrier's tower I'll scream.

I think it was the last hurrah for MANY an actor. What did Charleton Heston star in since then? (Henry Fonda had On Golden Pond....but he did that to kickstart Jane's acting career after she was blackballed....[I use the term loosely])

regards,
Robert

sapre
11-10-2004, 09:13 PM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by Blottogg:
"Memphis Belle" for it's revisionist history... "No, we've got to be accurate. There are hospitals and schools (and babymilk factories) near the target." Of course the firebombing of Dresden didn't come 'till later... <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>
Well, it won't be much of a drama if it was "it's just Krauts! let's drop the **** bomb and go home!" "Your right!" and blasted the scool to oblivion right?

airocobbler
11-11-2004, 04:31 AM
If you want the 'worst british aeroplane film' then 'angels one five' starring 'septic baird' and a load of crappy airfix hurricanes dangling from bits of cotton!! the special effects were awful

TotenTanzen
11-11-2004, 04:52 AM
Well I'll avoid some of the previous ones mentioned already.

2 that stick out and memory doesn't serve me well enough to remember the names of the dang things.

One was on P47 pilots made with late Mustangs playing 109. Fighter Squaderon might be the name of the thing.

The other is in color on B17's and a love triangle involving the Base commander, a cocky fighter pilot transfered to the unit and some lady. The best since was towards the end where the pilot is hit by a round through his wrist from an fighter (which doesn't take his hand off) and has to struggle to belly land the B17.

Good ones
Wings, Tora, Tora, Tora, Battle of Britian, Piece of Cake

ElektroFredrik
11-11-2004, 08:28 AM
Anything with marmots http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif
And of course Pearl Harbor...