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Birds-of-Prey
11-22-2008, 03:16 PM
Sorry about the last thread mods but I need help with getting a joystick.

Here are the lists of the joysticks I want

http://www.circuitcity.com/ssm/Logitech-Extreme-3D-Pro-...ccd/productDetail.do (http://www.circuitcity.com/ssm/Logitech-Extreme-3D-Pro-Joystick-963290-0403/sem/rpsm/oid/80644/rpem/ccd/productDetail.do)


http://www.circuitcity.com/ssm/Logitech-Freedom-2-4-Wir...ccd/productDetail.do (http://www.circuitcity.com/ssm/Logitech-Freedom-2-4-Wireless-Joystick-963283-0403/sem/rpsm/oid/74920/rpem/ccd/productDetail.do)



http://www.circuitcity.com/ssm/Saitek-PS33-Aviator-Joys...ccd/productDetail.do (http://www.circuitcity.com/ssm/Saitek-PS33-Aviator-Joystick-PS33/sem/rpsm/oid/161881/rpem/ccd/productDetail.do)



im thinking about the 3rd joystick but do these joysticks need a disk? and if so, what kind of disk and how big is it?

Birds-of-Prey
11-22-2008, 03:16 PM
Sorry about the last thread mods but I need help with getting a joystick.

Here are the lists of the joysticks I want

http://www.circuitcity.com/ssm/Logitech-Extreme-3D-Pro-...ccd/productDetail.do (http://www.circuitcity.com/ssm/Logitech-Extreme-3D-Pro-Joystick-963290-0403/sem/rpsm/oid/80644/rpem/ccd/productDetail.do)


http://www.circuitcity.com/ssm/Logitech-Freedom-2-4-Wir...ccd/productDetail.do (http://www.circuitcity.com/ssm/Logitech-Freedom-2-4-Wireless-Joystick-963283-0403/sem/rpsm/oid/74920/rpem/ccd/productDetail.do)



http://www.circuitcity.com/ssm/Saitek-PS33-Aviator-Joys...ccd/productDetail.do (http://www.circuitcity.com/ssm/Saitek-PS33-Aviator-Joystick-PS33/sem/rpsm/oid/161881/rpem/ccd/productDetail.do)



im thinking about the 3rd joystick but do these joysticks need a disk? and if so, what kind of disk and how big is it?

VMF-214_HaVoK
11-22-2008, 03:39 PM
Well of the three you listed I assume you are on a budget. So of those three I would go with the Aviator and stay as far away from Logitech as you can. They make a great mouse for sure but their joysticks leave little to be desired.

For those sticks you have listed no disk is required really if you have XP. IL2 will recognize all the buttons without the need of a profile. If you do wish to install SST for the Saitek its only a few MB.

If I were you and only wanted to spend a bit of cash I would find a MS Sidewinder Precision 2 on ebay. When your able/ready to spend more money pick up CH Products...its gets no better.

S!

Divine-Wind
11-22-2008, 03:47 PM
If you're planning on using these with Il-2, you probably don't want the PS3 Av8r. http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-wink.gif

Birds-of-Prey
11-22-2008, 03:50 PM
Whats wrong with the PS33 Aviar?

Divine-Wind
11-22-2008, 03:54 PM
Hmm, actually, upon further examination, it looks like it's compatible with the PC... Nevermind then. http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/shady.gif

Birds-of-Prey
11-22-2008, 04:25 PM
lol http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/34.gif http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/34.gif

VMF-214_HaVoK
11-23-2008, 11:24 AM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by Divine-Wind:
Hmm, actually, upon further examination, it looks like it's compatible with the PC... Nevermind then. http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/shady.gif </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

Of course it is. PC, PS3, and Xbox360 use the same ole USB tech. http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_wink.gif

Divine-Wind
11-23-2008, 12:34 PM
So theoretically I could plug my FFB2 into my 360 and use it to fly?

Player_43
11-23-2008, 01:23 PM
All these sticks are using the rudder-twist system. (I don't think that high level aces use twist stick which are rather for beginners.)

Personally I'm against these sticks because the hand that controls the ailerons and the elevator should'nt be in charge of any additional control surface like in real flight. A twist stick will make the potential transition to pedals painfull and will teach you a bad reflex if in the future you learn to fly a real aircraft or a glider (you will be lost if you can't twist the stick ... http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-very-happy.gif).

If you don't have pedals, you should take a stick that allows to control the rudder with left hand like this one : http://www.twenga.fr/prix-Predator-QZ-500-TRUST-Joysticks-83201-0

The QZ Predator (old and new models) :

http://img128.imageshack.us/img128/7339/qzpredatorjq6.jpg

Duckmeister
11-23-2008, 01:31 PM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by Player_43:
All these sticks are using the rudder-twist system. (I don't think that high level aces use twist stick which are rather for beginners.)

Personally I'm against these sticks because the hand that controls the ailerons and the elevator should'nt be in charge of any additional control surface like in real flight. A twist stick will make the potential transition to pedals painfull and will teach you a bad reflex if in the future you learn to fly a real aircraft or a glider (you will be lost if you can't twist the stick ... http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-very-happy.gif).

If you don't have pedals, you should take a stick that allows to control the rudder with left hand like this one : http://www.twenga.fr/prix-Predator-QZ-500-TRUST-Joysticks-83201-0

The QZ Predator (old and new models) :

http://img128.imageshack.us/img128/7339/qzpredatorjq6.jpg </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

You really think switching from twisting to pedals will be painful for most people?

You have a very simple problem you want to solve:
How can I use the rudder on my plane?

So, you either use pedals (easy, realistic), roller (not as easy, unrealistic), or twisting (easier than roller, still unrealistic).

If you don't want to spend the money on pedals, get a twist stick!

Because it's very simple motor skills you are switching to (stepping on pedals) and from (twisting your hand), I see no way it would be painful to switch between the two. I highly doubt anyone would even develop "bad habits", and if they did, it could easily be changed because all you're doing is pressing a pedal down and getting the same result!

If you don't have the money for pedals, like me, get a twist stick.

CUJO_1970
11-23-2008, 04:14 PM
There is really no question about which stick to get.

Go get the Logitech Extreme 3D Pro. I've had two, this one for over three years - daily use with no problems. They are simply the best built, most ergonomic "budget" stick on the market today.

Hookecho
11-24-2008, 12:52 PM
I used to go thru a Logitech stick a month...thank goodness for that Best Buy replacement warranty thingy.

Spend money on a good stick. I use a full CH setup, but there are others out there that can work for you, heck check Ebay for a Thrustmaster Cougar, sometimes you can pick on up cheap there.

Xiolablu3
11-24-2008, 03:35 PM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by VMF-214_HaVoK:
If I were you and only wanted to spend a bit of cash I would find a MS Sidewinder Precision 2 on ebay.

S! </div></BLOCKQUOTE> http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/25.gif

Player_43
11-24-2008, 03:43 PM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">
If you don't want to spend the money on pedals, get a twist stick!

</div></BLOCKQUOTE>

... and you'll be trying to twist your stick if one day you decide to invest in a hotas + rudder http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/88.gif

This won't happen if (like me) you come from a stick with left hand rudder control. My brother who bought his rudder + hotas at the same time hand much more difficulties for the transition as he was used to a twist-stick.

And in general, I can say that you have less precision in Dog Fight if one hand has to manage the ridder too escpecially with planes with high wing load like a FW190 or a P51 in high G turns.

But twist sticks are more common and a little less expensive as they are also used for arcade games .... good reference ...

K_Freddie
11-24-2008, 03:53 PM
To start with, a twisty's fine, but start saving now for pedals and other 'accessories' http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_wink.gif

Bearcat99
11-24-2008, 04:01 PM
I recommend that you get the aviator of the 3 you have shown. That way if you get into this a bit more and you want to drop a bit more money down.. say for a throttle quadrant or rudder pedals or both.. you can still use the Saitek software to use the full measure of whatever sticks you get. From what I hear CH products are good.. but obviously it seems as if you are on a budget.. The Logitechs are not very reliable.. When you find someone who has one and they like it, they are generally the exception rather than the rule. Stay away from a wireless joystick. IMO it is a waste of money.

VMF-214_HaVoK
11-24-2008, 05:49 PM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by Divine-Wind:
So theoretically I could plug my FFB2 into my 360 and use it to fly? </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

The game has to support it. If you get IL2 Birds of Prey you will be able to do so.

S!

Stiletto-
11-24-2008, 06:14 PM
Anyone else remember when the only thing called a twist stick was something in your pants? We have so many options today.

Bearcat99
11-24-2008, 06:22 PM
I don't know about you but my stick was never a twist stick.. http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/winky.gif

CUJO_1970
11-24-2008, 06:32 PM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by Bearcat99:
The Logitechs are not very reliable.. When you find someone who has one and they like it, they are generally the exception rather than the rule. </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

Sorry, this is really incorrect WRT the Logitech Extreme 3D Pro. It has been on the market for a very long time and is a well-proven stick.

Duckmeister
11-24-2008, 06:55 PM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by Player_43:
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">
If you don't want to spend the money on pedals, get a twist stick!

</div></BLOCKQUOTE>

... and you'll be trying to twist your stick if one day you decide to invest in a hotas + rudder http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/88.gif

This won't happen if (like me) you come from a stick with left hand rudder control. My brother who bought his rudder + hotas at the same time hand much more difficulties for the transition as he was used to a twist-stick.

And in general, I can say that you have less precision in Dog Fight if one hand has to manage the ridder too escpecially with planes with high wing load like a FW190 or a P51 in high G turns.

But twist sticks are more common and a little less expensive as they are also used for arcade games .... good reference ... </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

So have you thought about actually reading my post lately or what?