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Delfin1941
03-29-2005, 12:08 PM
How deep did you ever go?

I managed to reach 178 meters in a type VIIC before the light bulbs started to break.
Hull integrity was/had been 100% until then.

Did anyone go deeper then that in that type of sub ?

MoZirry
03-29-2005, 02:40 PM
i havent really been anywhere yet where the ocean bottom was more than 90 to 120 m deep =(

TASKFORCE1x1
03-29-2005, 04:42 PM
I dont want to even think about it http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif

Bulwark_
03-29-2005, 04:48 PM
I haven't bothered testing my crush depth. After reading some posts, it seems it's not as deep as you would imagine. Plus if you don't make it, it ends pretty quick.

MoZirry, I find it hard to believe you haven't seen anything deeper than 120m? Once you get into a little open waters, it goes beyond 1000m. http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_eek.gif

Xerx790
03-30-2005, 06:12 AM
I tested crush very much for my Type IIA and it is EXACTLY 178 meter just like your better Type VII U-boat! http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-surprised.gif

What is that? They are all the same? No random number +- for fun factor to guess when you die too deep? Are all the U-boat crush at the same depth?

mnet674
03-30-2005, 06:22 AM
I'm fairly sure I've taken a XXI to about 220m where it survived for a few minutes before bulbs started to break and catastrophic damage occured

Dolinseks
03-30-2005, 06:36 AM
XXI is supposed to take 275m before it crushes. Its operational depth is 225m, if the manual is correct.

S VIIC_41
03-30-2005, 08:59 AM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>I tested crush very much for my Type IIA and it is EXACTLY 178 meter just like your better Type VII U-boat! <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

GAH?! http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_eek.gif

Now that's completely stupid.

Did you see my topic about my VIIB crushing at 183? (it actually crushes at 178 but I made it to 183 before crushing...) There's a discussion about the crush depths there.

But... 178 is a little more than 150, the crush depth of the IIA, whereas the crush of the VIIB is listed as 225 I think.

Maybe they accidentally gave the VIIB (and C...) the same crush depth as the IIA? It seems to be the only reasonable explanation... not that not testing it properly is reasonable but hey.

CartoonCorpse
03-30-2005, 09:15 AM
is there a crush graphic? or is it just a 'lights out' 'game over' sort of thing?

do see leaks and crushing walls or anything?

Johnny_JG2
03-30-2005, 01:28 PM
178Meters also! - in my VIIB.

I just tested it last night with 100% hull integrity.

Once I was at 170M, I went down 1M at a time, and spent a few minutes at each level. At 178M for about 30secs, light bulbs started breaking and flickering, but I managed to get back up before I sunk.

Xerx790
03-30-2005, 04:10 PM
Yes it seems at least for the Type IIA and VII all models; have the same crush depth at 178m. Always, no random number around it.

It would see that hull makes a differnce. I had 95% hull and could only go down to 168 meter in a Type IIA. Not completeley tested though.

When you start to crush, you a only as bit of time to get up, after that the death end sequence occurs no matter what. ASAP when that first light bulb goes, get up fast.

I only tested repeated in the Type IIA and my margins was about 2 seconds to rise from 178 m. IF you could go 30 seconds in your VII, then that means you can have a longer time to get your boat back up than the smaller weaker II.

The other person said he got to 183 meters (probably as his ship was crushing around him starting at 178m), so it would seem the VII can SURVIVE longer at crush depth than the IIA?

I need to check this out for a Type VII boat. 30 seconds is a long time compared to 2 seconds in a Type IIA.

With the SEARCH function down, it is hard to find relevant information that has been posted.

Johnny_JG2
03-30-2005, 04:16 PM
With my hull at 86% the other night, I was at 155M for a MINIMUM of 5 minutes- then all of a sudden a light bulb popped and we started taking damage.

I made it up easily to 140M on all ahead standard, and didn't need to emergency blow or anything like that.

It seems that it takes a while at a given depth to REALLY find out for sure.

Delfin1941
03-31-2005, 04:41 PM
As much as i like the game, I find the crush depth thing a bit non realistic.

I hope they realize that and make a patch to fix it.

-In Das boot they go down to 270 meters, and stay on the sea bottom for 9 hours(?) after fixing the water leaks.
(In real life, they went down to that depth as well, - after all the movie was made from the book!)

-Erich Topp, the U-Boot commander recounds how he went to 250meters in his type VII and started to hear the sub's hull twist and make noise.. So it was possible to go to 250m.

-And finally, commander von Tiessenhausen, U-331, after sinking battleship Barham in the Mediterranean went down to 250 meters as well, I remember reading this somewhere here.
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Cragger
03-31-2005, 10:46 PM
Is this even for the Type VIIC/42? The manual states 250m operational and 325m maximum for it.

In a 1940 Type VII C I made it to 220m once before the hull gave way. Course I was taking water in every compartment and sinking like a rock.

MouseNo47
04-01-2005, 07:08 AM
I am still searching for the files that determine crush depth. When i find em i am gunna murder em for being lame!

SHMall35
04-01-2005, 08:07 AM
Well after fiddling with my hex editor I now have a crush depth of 400m on my VIIC,which is now to much...doh....

I need to do more fiddlin to get it around 250-295m would be great.

does anyone know the numbers for those depths??


Simon

LordBane2005B
04-01-2005, 12:32 PM
I managed to get my Type-XIB down to 198m before the lights blew. I blew my ballast tanks and managed to make it back to the surface with 12%dammage to my hull, and some minor flooding in the forward torpedo room.

DWentz
04-01-2005, 12:41 PM
Is there any way we can edit this?

Pentallion
04-01-2005, 10:53 PM
This is what they SHOULD be:

Type VIIB and all Type IX's=180m
Type VIIC =230m *
Type XX1 = 300m
Type XXII = 150m

* By the summer of '42 the VIIC's hull had been strengthened to allow 200m standard depth, but some German capts. noted after the war that they could go to 300m without harm in the VIIC.

In the beginning of the war, the British shouldn't depth charge below 170m. After June 1943 (ie after the capture of U-570), depth charges were set to 230m. ASDIC never measured deeper than 238m during the entire war.

And I REALLY wish there would be some randomness in crush depths. Knowing the value takes the chill out of it.

blue_76
04-02-2005, 12:02 AM
according to the manual the type VII-C/42 uboat could dive up to 350 meters.. has anyone come close to this depth?

Kapitan_Nereus
04-02-2005, 12:11 AM
the C/42 gets crushed at less than 200 http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_rolleyes.gif

but my best dive was down to 271m in a VIIC, half a second after it ticked over to 271 i was dead http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif

also, i started getting crushed in a XXI at 115m http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/51.gif no damage no nothing, i was just testing the various diving depths. its shameful how wrong these figures are about the depths, a C/42 should be able to reach 300, no problem, a XXI should be able to reach 250, no problem
and a VIIC should NOT be able to reach 270 in 1940 lol

crush depths need some major tweaks IMO.

nstutt
04-02-2005, 05:10 AM
MY last tested crush depth in a V11B was 180m. Couldnt go any lower. It was winter and in the north sea. Perhaps sea temp and season make a difference - anyone tried this in the Med in summer at all?

Haele
04-02-2005, 07:22 AM
I've been re-reading "Iron Coffins" by Herbert Werner, as XO on U-230 (a VIIC) recalls going below 200m quite often to evade depth charges, at one point being forced down as deep as 300m.

Xerx790
04-02-2005, 12:56 PM
If we do manage to modify the crush depths to real world accuracy, be careful how it may affect gameplay.

The AI depth charges may not understand how to kill you making the game too easy.

The AI destoyers think you are at a certain depth to drop charges on you. Maybe that is why the depths are roughly the same??

The U boat captains that made it that depp are of course the ones that lived to tell about it.

We needs some randomness to the crush depth to make it more fun, maybe every personal Uboat made is given a probility of failure even at 100 meters! Some can go 300 meters. But most make between +- 10% for each new uboat you get.

Indianer.
04-02-2005, 01:06 PM
crush depths need to be randomised. the ones that never came back could well have died from diving accidents as well as from DCs etc

VVS-Manuc
04-02-2005, 02:30 PM
maximum depth for all boats are way off. Another big flaw in SH3.