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Wepps
03-13-2008, 11:30 AM
Recently I've flown some missions in the I-16 in a standard campaign, and I've been getting some anomalies.

I don't recall reading anything about it but what would happen is this...

I'm flying along at roughly 90% power, and suddenly for no apparent reason, the engine gives out. I can't maintain altitude and will have to eventually bail.

I can't seem to figure out what happens here. Does anybody have any info?

Wepps
03-13-2008, 11:30 AM
Recently I've flown some missions in the I-16 in a standard campaign, and I've been getting some anomalies.

I don't recall reading anything about it but what would happen is this...

I'm flying along at roughly 90% power, and suddenly for no apparent reason, the engine gives out. I can't maintain altitude and will have to eventually bail.

I can't seem to figure out what happens here. Does anybody have any info?

SlickStick
03-13-2008, 11:49 AM
Negative G's will kill I-16 engine. It's a game feature.

gizmo60
03-13-2008, 12:19 PM
Have you tried starting the engine again before you bail out.
Sometimes when I have been shot with oil all over the windscreen the engine will conk out and I'm trying to glide back, I push the starter and it'll start giving just enough power to get back over the border or even to the airfield.

TgD Thunderbolt56
03-13-2008, 12:44 PM
Negative G's fuel starve the engine because it's modeled with a gravity-fed carburator.

As Gizmo said, oftentimes you can restart your engine but sometimes it takes multiple attempts to get it started again and unless you have enough altitude and airspeed, it can be precarious indeed.

Friendly_flyer
03-13-2008, 01:47 PM
You'll find the same negative g-cutout in Hurricane Mk.I and the P-11.

TTU_Phoenix
03-13-2008, 04:46 PM
For inflight restarts, make sure that your power is at 0%, otherwise it is very ahrd to get it to start. LEarned through hard experience... http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-wink.gif

x6BL_Brando
03-13-2008, 05:02 PM
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Remember to reset your pitch control to 100% also, mixture to normal as well as throttle to zero. Remember that you will need to knock the magnetos off and on again too, so don't forget to push the starter twice to restart.
You also need to be diving because you need 200km/h IAS to effectively restart.

It's definitely worth training yourself in this arcane procedure, because it may be necessary in battle, but also worth training yourself to avoid it.

B

mortoma
03-13-2008, 08:17 PM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by Friendly_flyer:
You'll find the same negative g-cutout in Hurricane Mk.I and the P-11. </div></BLOCKQUOTE>Yep, but I think there are a few more planes like that, like the KI-27 and Fiat G-50 and probably that Fiat biplane, whatever they call it. I might think of even more after I post this.....

mortoma
03-13-2008, 09:35 PM
I knew I'd think of more!! The I-153 ( of course ) and the J8A Finnish Gladiator. The TB-3 bomber should have gravity carbs but I don't if it's modeled like that or not. I'll have to give the TB-3 some severe negative Gs to see what happens.

K_Freddie
03-14-2008, 12:10 AM
The TB-3 can suffer from -ve G.. http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/354.gif http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-very-happy.gif
I cannot recall ever having that problem.. and I've thrown it around like a fighter.
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Wepps
03-14-2008, 08:07 AM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by x6BL_Brando:
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Remember to reset your pitch control to 100% also, mixture to normal as well as throttle to zero. Remember that you will need to knock the magnetos off and on again too, so don't forget to push the starter twice to restart.
You also need to be diving because you need 200km/h IAS to effectively restart.

It's definitely worth training yourself in this arcane procedure, because it may be necessary in battle, but also worth training yourself to avoid it.

B </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

I'm aware of all this and the carburetor.

It seems to be happening all by itself while in normal flight. Restarting (twice) does nothing.

Maybe a new 'feature'?

FlatSpinMan
03-14-2008, 08:14 AM
If you're in bad weather the engine can sometimes cut out from all the bouncing around. It is unlikely to be a new feature.

Urufu_Shinjiro
03-14-2008, 10:05 AM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by Wepps:
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by x6BL_Brando:
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Remember to reset your pitch control to 100% also, mixture to normal as well as throttle to zero. Remember that you will need to knock the magnetos off and on again too, so don't forget to push the starter twice to restart.
You also need to be diving because you need 200km/h IAS to effectively restart.

It's definitely worth training yourself in this arcane procedure, because it may be necessary in battle, but also worth training yourself to avoid it.

B </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

I'm aware of all this and the carburetor.

It seems to be happening all by itself while in normal flight. Restarting (twice) does nothing.

Maybe a new 'feature'? </div></BLOCKQUOTE>


You wouldn't happen to accidentally have something mapped to the same button as a benign command, like magneto's, or maybe mixture to 0 or something like that? Worth looking at I guess.

DKoor
03-14-2008, 10:26 AM
http://www.esnips.com/web/il2

specifically

http://www.esnips.com/doc/3c68efd3-f0b5-4653-af0e-b0cc1...KoorI16-airstart-402 (http://www.esnips.com/doc/3c68efd3-f0b5-4653-af0e-b0cc163fdd6a/DKoorI16-airstart-402)

mortoma
03-14-2008, 08:26 PM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by x6BL_Brando:
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Remember to reset your pitch control to 100% also, mixture to normal as well as throttle to zero. Remember that you will need to knock the magnetos off and on again too, so don't forget to push the starter twice to restart.
You also need to be diving because you need 200km/h IAS to effectively restart.

It's definitely worth training yourself in this arcane procedure, because it may be necessary in battle, but also worth training yourself to avoid it.

B </div></BLOCKQUOTE>I have never needed to do anything with magnetos and I have been playing this game for years. I have also restarted many planes with far less than 200KPH.

BWaltteri
03-15-2008, 03:55 AM
I've never managed to restart Rata's engine. I've only been successful in restarting Fiat G.50 and Hurricane.

But with time you will learn to fly the plane without pulling any negative G's.

x6BL_Brando
03-15-2008, 05:26 AM
Yes, I'm sorry about my magneto remark which is INCORRECT http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_redface.gif
I was trying to explain the need to cycle the 'start button' twice but got the idea wrong.

I'll have to look again at the minimum restart speed. I know several of the older planes are finicky about this, and I felt sure the Mosca was one of them.

B