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paxmanchris
04-14-2004, 07:37 AM
that the big question i have.

the pictures that we have so far,
like this one: click here unless you dont like spoilers (http://mysterium.ch/revelation/pictures/revelation_02.jpg)
you might think its Tomahna..
but it souldnt be a earth place,
that would make out to be a boring
story.
it must be Releeshahn..
dose anyone agree with me?

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paxmanchris
04-14-2004, 07:37 AM
that the big question i have.

the pictures that we have so far,
like this one: click here unless you dont like spoilers (http://mysterium.ch/revelation/pictures/revelation_02.jpg)
you might think its Tomahna..
but it souldnt be a earth place,
that would make out to be a boring
story.
it must be Releeshahn..
dose anyone agree with me?

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[This message was edited by paxmanchris on Wed April 14 2004 at 06:45 AM.]

Cierdwyn
04-14-2004, 10:31 AM
I certainly hope so! I may have mentioned this before ( http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_rolleyes.gif ) but I suffered 2 near fatal hammer attacks in Exile, only to be greeted with "did you get the book" (or something like that) from Atrus when I returned - rather than .. how are you .. are you alright .. did you get hurt .. or even "Thank you" - then NO trip to Releeshan. I believe I'm due that trip. http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/images/smiley/16x16_smiley-wink.gif

Cierdwyn

paxmanchris
04-14-2004, 11:48 AM
i cant wait to see what the plot is.
i hope its not.. you half to choose between S&A again, like in myst..
but im shure they couldnt do that, there books are cinders.. right?

maybe.. maybe, and i herd this brought up before, maybe there books were never burned. maybe atrius hid them, in some secrect spot on myst.
and then took the books to earth, because he could not part with his sons. if you have notist he is a very forgiving man.
like the part when you forget to release cathren from her cell. he gets mad, but if it were me i would kill..

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Cierdwyn
04-14-2004, 01:05 PM
To fill in a Sunday afternoon, I started to replay Riven - again - and at the beginning Atrus hands you a small book. In it he explains about how a prison age is created by tampering with an age by making very small changes to the book of an existing age, changes so small as not to be readily noticed by anyone reading it. It's funny, I had just asked about that in another thread. http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/images/smiley/blink.gif I was sort of thinking that maybe Atrus didn't burn the written descriptive books, which tinkering with would have caused the sons ages to become prisons, but got rid of the linking books, which were the books in the library on Myst island. There would have been no reason to destroy the descriptive books if the linking books were gone, as any linking book would be only one way, and once gone no one could be tricked into entering them as some of us went back to see after completing Myst the first time. http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/images/smiley/16x16_smiley-tongue.gif Speculation is that perhaps Yeesha discovers the books and writes new linking books to those ages ... we shall see ... say, come about September ... http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/images/smiley/16x16_smiley-wink.gif

Cierdwyn

Alahmnat
04-14-2004, 02:59 PM
Given that Releeshahn was on the "no touch" list of things that Cyan gave to Presto when they made Exile, I would put my money on not seeing Releeshahn unless Cyan does it (which they didn't, in this case).

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Mystical Explorer
04-14-2004, 04:50 PM
I dunno, maybe it was an age they were gonna put into uru Live eventually. You know, the DRC come accross a linking book to Tomahna and then Releeshahn. You nnever know, it could possibly pop up in a future X-Pack.

Cierdwyn
04-14-2004, 06:26 PM
Alahmnat,

Seriously about Releeshan? Now why would Cyan do that? Well, note to Cyan : Atrus owes me a trip to Releeshan - after all, I suffered 2 ......... well you know ... http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/images/smiley/16x16_smiley-wink.gif

'Bout time don'cha think? http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/images/smiley/16x16_smiley-very-happy.gif

Cierdwyn

Phen1
04-14-2004, 08:49 PM
WE WANT RELEESHAHN!!! WE WANT RELEESHAHN!

*storms the castle*

~~PHEN~~

Pre-rendering ROCKS!!!

Alahmnat
04-15-2004, 01:57 AM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by Cierdwyn:
Alahmnat,

Seriously about Releeshan?<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>
Yes, seriously. Presto wasn't allowed to show it.
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR> Now why would Cyan do that? <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>
Simple yet completely ambiguous answer: Cyan wants to deliberately leave Releeshahn un-developed as a visual element of the Myst universe because they don't wish to be tied down by someone else's interpretation of the Age in the event that they choose to do something with it (like write another novel...).

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Cierdwyn
04-15-2004, 12:58 PM
Alahmnat,

I suppose they (Cyan .. Rand .. whoever) probably have such definite ideas and precise details of the progression of the history of these D'ni people, that anyone outside of their collective heads maybe wouldn't do it the justice it deserves. Having read the book of Ti'ana (with the others on the way) I was struck at how detailed and established this entire story is and I couldn't help wonder how such a tightly woven history could be born of a single game - wonderful as it is. Makes me remember a rare interview with Rowlings, saying that she awoke one day to have the entire Harry Potter story completely in her mind, in every detail, as if it was already written. If the D'ni culture is just as well defined - even in the mind of someone - then NO one else could breathe the life into it that they could, and Releeshan is best left to those who hold it dearest and know it best. I guess I'm willing to wait for that, in whatever form they choose to present it. Although in game form would be super! http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/images/smiley/16x16_smiley-happy.gif

Cierdwyn

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Phen1
04-15-2004, 05:12 PM
Very well said. http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/images/smiley/16x16_smiley-happy.gif

~~PHEN~~

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Cierdwyn
04-16-2004, 09:44 AM
Thank you Phen. And between you and me - I'd like to see it as much as you. http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/images/smiley/16x16_smiley-wink.gif

Cierdwyn

paxmanchris
04-19-2004, 07:26 AM
darn.. i was hopeing to see Releeshahn..

cant wait to play this game, over and over and over again..
like im still doing with my old game.

trying to do it with out cheeting..

i wonder if its going to come out on PS2

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trickster721
04-20-2004, 01:06 PM
Woah! Those picture look a lot less pre-rendered than what I've seen so far.

There's definatly something big going on with this engine.

Takua-Kaita-600
04-29-2004, 04:11 PM
Weeeeeeeeeeeeeeeelllllllll...

i remember Atrus' Releeshan Diary. These houses in this picture look gosh darn similar to his diagrams in that diary...

Wumpus23
05-06-2004, 03:10 PM
Thank you, Takua!!! I've been saying that since I saw the teaser!!

Why on earth (pardon the pun) would someone think those were of "Tomahna?!" They have water below them, fer crying out loud!!!

Anyhow, enough of my rant. I agree with Takua. The pictures in Atrus' diary in Exile are VERY similar to the pictures in the teaser...

JustBrett
05-07-2004, 10:39 AM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by Wumpus23:
Why on earth (pardon the pun) would someone think those were of "Tomahna?!" They have water below them, fer crying out loud!!!<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

So? Atrus has some technology available to him. Maybe he tapped into an aquifer to create a pond, like the one in the cleft, but bigger. Or, Tomahna could be closer to the mountains than the cleft, in a wetter environment. New Mexico isn't bone dry from end to end, you know! Or maybe it's a seasonal pond, formed by snow melt running off the mountains, but gone by summer.

<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Anyhow, enough of my rant. I agree with Takua. The pictures in Atrus' diary in Exile are VERY similar to the pictures in the teaser...<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

Yeah, they are. But, who says those sketches were of Releeshan? That journal was written before Atrus made any final decisions about the new Age. They could have just been ideas that Atrus was considering for Releeshan, and then used when he later built Tomahna. Or, they could have been sketches from one of the ages he was visiting at the time, done to remind him of some principle(s) he wanted to include in Releeshan.

So, the water and the journal in no way preclude the screenshots from being Tomahna.

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Takua-Kaita-600
05-10-2004, 04:48 PM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by JustBrett:
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by Wumpus23:
Why on earth (pardon the pun) would someone think those were of "Tomahna?!" They have water below them, fer crying out loud!!!<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

So? Atrus has some technology available to him. Maybe he tapped into an aquifer to create a pond, like the one in the cleft, but bigger. Or, Tomahna could be closer to the mountains than the cleft, in a wetter environment. New Mexico isn't bone dry from end to end, you know! Or maybe it's a seasonal pond, formed by snow melt running off the mountains, but gone by summer.

<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Anyhow, enough of my rant. I agree with Takua. The pictures in Atrus' diary in Exile are VERY similar to the pictures in the teaser...<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

Yeah, they are. But, who says those sketches were of Releeshan? That journal was written before Atrus made any final decisions about the new Age. They could have just been ideas that Atrus was considering for Releeshan, and then used when he later built Tomahna. Or, they could have been sketches from one of the ages he was visiting at the time, done to remind him of some principle(s) he wanted to include in Releeshan.

So, the water and the journal in no way preclude the screenshots from being Tomahna.

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Then tell us why those clouds were moving so fast. Do they move that fast on Earth?

*no*

So It's of SOME age and my guess is Releeshan.

Also becuz Cyan knows most of us are all DYING to see it anyway...

Also, tell me how a journal on Releeshan doesn't have anything to do with Releeshan? That's basically what you said. Or do ya think Atrus Suddenly changed all his ideas and diagrams at the last minute? No, If anything, the changes would be slight and/or minor.

JustBrett
05-10-2004, 07:17 PM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by Takua-Kaita-600:
Then tell us why those clouds were moving so fast. Do they move that fast on Earth?<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

It's a teaser video. Things are often done in videos just to produce dramatic effect. Fast moving clouds, cars, etc. are seen in many TV shows and movies that are set on Earth.

<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Also becuz Cyan knows most of us are all DYING to see it anyway...<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

This game isn't made by Cyan. It's made by Ubi Soft. Cyan apparently doesn't want other companies using Releeshan in Myst games because they may want to use it themselves someday and don't want to be bound by any decisions made by another company. That's why we didn't get to visit Releeshan in Exile, which was made by Presto, not by Cyan. Cyan would not allow Presto to show us Releeshan.

<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Also, tell me how a journal on Releeshan doesn't have anything to do with Releeshan? That's basically what you said.<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

I suggest that you reread my comments more carefully, because I didn't say anything of the sort. In just about every sentence I said that the purpose of the journal was to gather ideas to be used in the design of Releeshan. He was using the journal to organize his thinking before he actually started writing the new Age. However, we have no way of knowing if ALL of the ideas he considered were incorporated in the final product, or HOW they were incorporated. And he may have liked some of the ideas so much that he used them in both Releeshan AND Tomahna.

<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Or do ya think Atrus Suddenly changed all his ideas and diagrams at the last minute? No, If anything, the changes would be slight and/or minor.<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

It probably took Atrus months to visit all those Ages and think about the lessons they taught him. So changing his mind about something he wrote or sketched early in the journal would hardly be "last minute". The purpose of a design notebook is to play with ideas, both good ones and bad ones, before making any final decisions. It's not like a blueprint; Atrus was weighing the pros and cons of different design elements. He didn't write the journal while writing Releeshan; he completed the journal first, then made his final decisions, and then started writing.

No matter how much we might like to see Releeshan, all the evidence we have says the screenshots are from Tomahna.

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