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Wraith06
09-26-2006, 03:00 AM
Hi im new to iL2, i started this week and as a matter of curiosity am interested in who you think are the best online pilots that play this game? Look forward to hearing your replies...

Wraith0

Wraith06
09-26-2006, 03:00 AM
Hi im new to iL2, i started this week and as a matter of curiosity am interested in who you think are the best online pilots that play this game? Look forward to hearing your replies...

Wraith0

OD_79
09-26-2006, 03:47 AM
Depends what kind of game you are looking for. If you want realism then the guys you tend to find in War Clouds are amoung the best.

Otherwise if you are looking for arcade style wonder woman cockpit anyone is an ace - pretty easy to do - for a start you have arrows pointing to the other aircraft!

Everyone would like to think they are the best, and there are some very good pilots out there, but I can't really name people (don't think it is fair to) - you just know when you've found someone good when you have a proper fight with them that takes some thought and skill to get out of - don't think anyone will mention my name though! lol.

OD.

rnzoli
09-26-2006, 03:49 AM
welcome, please define "best" first, otherwise this topic will lead into a lot of misunderstanding

or better, look for these threads first, to see how elusive the definition of 'best' is....


Nominate best online pilot per Plane Type (in General Discussion) by GR142_Astro
This is not a best pilot online thread, but rather an informal discussion of who you think are the best pilots in their "fields". Mine goes like this: 109G2 - Blitzpig_Lixma P47D27 - VFC_Korolov P39 ... with their favorite rides. I don't, for example, ever go online at 2pm on a Tuesday, so I have no idea what...
ubi.com > Forums > General Discussion
Thu March 25 2004 16:27

http://forums.ubi.com/eve/forums/a/tpc/f/23110283/m/627...=627109403#627109403 (http://forums.ubi.com/eve/forums/a/tpc/f/23110283/m/627109403?r=627109403#627109403)

Best online pilot nominations (not just VEF + all settings) (in General Discussion) by GoodKn1ght
Heres the rules, you can nominate 1 person for each of the 3 settings but you cant nominate yourself......
ubi.com > Forums > General Discussion
Mon January 05 2004 16:54

http://forums.ubi.com/eve/forums/a/tpc/f/23110283/m/844...=844102601#844102601 (http://forums.ubi.com/eve/forums/a/tpc/f/23110283/m/844102601?r=844102601#844102601)

The best online pilot! (in General Discussion) by Lithium1970
After all the replies consering who is the best online pilot in FB I proudly announce that RBJ the one and only is the best man out there in the virtual clouds! Congratulations RBJ! ...
ubi.com > Forums > General Discussion
Mon August 04 2003 11:33
http://forums.ubi.com/eve/forums/a/tpc/f/23110283/m/662...?r=66210144#66210144 (http://forums.ubi.com/eve/forums/a/tpc/f/23110283/m/66210144?r=66210144#66210144)


Who is the best pilot online? (in General Discussion) by Lithium1970
Suggestions?...
ubi.com > Forums > General Discussion
Thu July 31 2003 08:24

http://forums.ubi.com/eve/forums/a/tpc/f/23110283/m/504...?r=50410734#50410734 (http://forums.ubi.com/eve/forums/a/tpc/f/23110283/m/50410734?r=50410734#50410734)

rnzoli
09-26-2006, 03:52 AM
ps. the best pilot was the guy, who disengaged from his smoking and doomed opponent, and came to help me instead, scaring off another enemy A/C from my tail

i don't know his name or callsign

but for me, he was the absolute best online pilot

Rammathorn_
09-26-2006, 04:36 AM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by OD_79:
If you want realism then the guys you tend to find in War Clouds are amoung the best.
</div></BLOCKQUOTE>

I can certainly attest to that. I started flying there because the realism settings perfectly match what I use for offline play, but some of those guys make even the ace AI gunners look like him:
http://www.player4life.com/portal/photogallery/photo00018467/spaceballs_*******.gif

EDIT: looks like the image URL is being filtered out, if you've seen spaceballs, you'll get it http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_wink.gif

Bauer_ (hyperlobby handle)

Dew-Claw
09-26-2006, 04:42 AM
Simple

Me.
I'm the best.

*sigh* Unfortunatly for you,
I have retired from accepting challenges...
Just last week as a matter of fact.

Thats the way it goes sometimes.
Sux to be you I guess http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-happy.gif

OD_79
09-26-2006, 04:49 AM
Generally one thing to look for - though not always - are those in a squad. Though this doesn't make everyone great it generally shows a level of commitment which tends to reflect how they fly.
Also try and avoid the people who say that "you only got me because you are in a NOOB plane". They tend to think they are the dogs do-dahs and don't accept they were generally shot down fair and square. If you're shot down - and you will be (!) - just accept it as part and parcel of flying online. It will take a while to adjust as the standard of flying is a hell of a lot better than you get with the AI.
Don't get down about it chalk it down to experience and get up again.
Good Luck,

OD.

F19_Orheim
09-26-2006, 05:04 AM
agree with rnzoli, the best pilot in my book are the guys who always try out to help, even if it means they will have to leave a secure position, abandon a sure kill, try a difficult rescue (in online wars) despite long virtual life or loads of kills in that particular mission, etc...
A guy who makes a difference for his mates and succeeds. Those are the BEST pilots.

A lone ranger, flying at 8000 m like an eagle, making zoom attacks and then climbs back up, herding kills but never takes a risk for his teammates, those are NOT the best pilots, just my 2 cents

El Turo
09-26-2006, 08:01 AM
RBJ, hands down.

Philipscdrw
09-26-2006, 08:09 AM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">RBJ, hands down.__ </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

TRIM ON A SLIDER!!!

http://people.bath.ac.uk/jsd23/supergreg.gif

Where did he go?

BBB_Hyperion
09-26-2006, 08:12 AM
[QUOTE]Originally posted by F19_Orheim:
agree with rnzoli, the best pilot in my book are the guys who always try out to help, even if it means they will have to leave a secure position, abandon a sure kill, try a difficult rescue (in online wars) despite long virtual life or loads of kills in that particular mission, etc...
A guy who makes a difference for his mates and succeeds. Those are the BEST pilots.

A lone ranger, flying at 8000 m like an eagle, making zoom attacks and then climbs back up, herding kills but never takes a risk for his teammates, those are NOT the best pilots, just my 2 cents[/QUOTE

Signed .)

Xiolablu3
09-26-2006, 08:59 AM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by BBB_Hyperion:
[QUOTE]Originally posted by F19_Orheim:
agree with rnzoli, the best pilot in my book are the guys who always try out to help, even if it means they will have to leave a secure position, abandon a sure kill, try a difficult rescue (in online wars) despite long virtual life or loads of kills in that particular mission, etc...
A guy who makes a difference for his mates and succeeds. Those are the BEST pilots.

.) </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

I totally agree.

Its much better to have a pilot with average skills, but will do anything to help his teamates, than a super dooper pilot who has a 30:1 KD ratio, but is nowhere to be seen when your teams bombers are under attack. Often the pilots who 'think' they are good, simply fly around at 5000m on their own looking for planes to pick off.

This doesnt help the guys doing all the hard work in the bombers, trying to win the map for the team and getting massrcred becasue their fighter pilots are up in the stratosphere duking it out one on one.

You dont need to have 'mad skillz' to be a great pilot. Once you learn the basics of height/speed/energy then you just need to be good to fly with.

Find out the 'core' of your team (ie who is attacking the targets) in chat or TS and then work with them to help each other. You will find you can take on much better planes and often when using teamwork, and you may see just how good a plane REALLY is (FW190/Hellcat for eg. are a fearsome force in a team).

LeOs.K_Walstein
09-26-2006, 09:07 AM
Come on dear pilots. Let´s make this easy: I am The pilot http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/halo.gif

Bf-109 for ever,
Wallstein

BOA_Allmenroder
09-26-2006, 09:12 AM
I nominate mzoli.

Reason 1: Because of his new dedicated coop server.
Reason 2: He shot me down outmaneuvering me in a B25 while I was flying a 110. http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/11.gif http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/touche.gif

Xiolablu3
09-26-2006, 09:17 AM
The best pilots are the ones who create some kind of teamwork and coordination on the the team that they are on.

BBB_Hyperion
09-26-2006, 09:29 AM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by BOA_Allmenroder:
I nominate mzoli.

Reason 1: Because of his new dedicated coop server.
Reason 2: He shot me down outmaneuvering me in a B25 while I was flying a 110. http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/11.gif http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/touche.gif </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

Well i can top this by outturning an undamaged p51d with a he111 and shot it down .)

R988z
09-26-2006, 09:57 AM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by BBB_Hyperion:
Well i can top this by outturning an undamaged p51d with a he111 and shot it down .) </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

I dont find the fact that a He111 out turned a O51 suprising, but how did you shoot him down with no pilot controlled guns? or did you switch to a gunners position?

Haigotron
09-26-2006, 10:01 AM
im assuming the best are those that are the l33test...in that case there are too many to name...just too too many...those men and their magnificent virtual machines...

if you mean you want to hear tips..ask away...ive learned more in this community in 1 year than 5 years in high school...pfft who needs home economics for flying online mmm?

...what's that dear? you want me to cook? im coming...

TgD Thunderbolt56
09-26-2006, 10:01 AM
There are plenty of good pilots, but I'd say there are 3 basic tiers.

1. Pure cannon-fodder

2. Competent in controlling their aircraft, but very little SA. Typically a good pilot in a visual fight but gets bounced often.

3. The "E" fighter that knows many different aircraft, maintains good SA and consistently contributes (there are many ways to contribute) to satisfying the mission objectives.

Once you get to a certain level of competence, it comes down to a number of other intangibles, i.e. balanced teams, coms, mission objectives and the most important...teamwork. Even the best pure fighter pilot is no match for a skilled pair (or trio) of opponents. Sure, there are times when a single pilot may lay waste to an entire flight, but that's the exception and not the rule when competing against other experienced opponents.

I mirror Orheim's sentiments to a degree. I think perching at 8k and playing whack-a-mole can skew reality for many. On the other hand, if there's a 4-ship fight at 6k then (if you're like me and flying a jug) co-E is never a good thing. Personally, I like to fly out, climb to 5k (or so) and bring ordnance, energy and a wingman to the target area...that's just smart IMO.



TB

Xiolablu3
09-26-2006, 10:06 AM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by TgD Thunderbolt56:
On the other hand, if there's a 4-ship fight at 6k then (if you're like me and flying a jug) co-E is never a good thing. Personally, I like to fly out, climb to 5k (or so) and bring ordnance, energy and a wingman to the target area...that's just smart IMO.



TB </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

Good post, the plane you are flying often dictates the tactics you must use.
My post was a little pig headed and didnt factor that thought intot he equation. You must first stay alive yourself before you can help the team.

BBB_Hyperion
09-26-2006, 10:50 AM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by R988z:
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by BBB_Hyperion:
Well i can top this by outturning an undamaged p51d with a he111 and shot it down .) </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

I dont find the fact that a He111 out turned a O51 suprising, but how did you shoot him down with no pilot controlled guns? or did you switch to a gunners position? </div></BLOCKQUOTE> Controlling the Front Gunner and the Plane at same time .)

F6_Ace
09-26-2006, 10:53 AM
The other advantage of someone sitting at high alt is that you'll tend to attract bandits who want a piece of you (and towing 2-3 of the most dangerous bandits around the map [they're high - therefore they must be relatively good] whilst keeping them from your team while they complete their mission is just as effective as shooting them down), you can act as an 'AWACs' system reporting on bandits arriving and, as an added bonus, you are able to swoop down and pick off the odd sunday driver.

These kind of people are very often the polar opposite of the worst pilots you see online who will chase a damaged plane around in a little gaggle whilst wasting ammo shooting over each other's shoulders/shooting each other/crashing into each other.

I always found the best pilots online in online wars (and some co-ops) because they automatically shared a common mission goal that was hard to deviate from, they communicated and because they stuck together and looked after each other; there are few[er] people in those scenarios who are interested in personal agendas.

Bearcat99
09-26-2006, 11:07 AM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by Wraith06:
Hi im new to iL2, i started this week and as a matter of curiosity am interested in who you think are the best online pilots that play this game? Look forward to hearing your replies...
Wraith0 </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

Welcomd aboard... Like many said.... the "best" is hard to define.... and this community is kind of different in ther sense that we have several layers of action online here.... IMO though a good pilot is not defined as much by his skills as he is by his flying skills alone but more by his flying and teamfighting skills.

LEBillfish
09-26-2006, 11:08 AM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by F6_Ace:
.......I always found the best pilots online in online wars (and some co-ops) because they automatically shared a common mission goal that was hard to deviate from, they communicated and because they stuck together and looked after each other; there are few[er] people in those scenarios who are interested in personal agendas. </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/agreepost.gif

KaleunFreddie
09-26-2006, 11:45 AM
Teamspirit always makes average pilots look good - safety in numbers.
BUT when the chips are down, you're going to be alone sometime, and there are going to be 3 or 4 other 'enemies' who want your a.s-s. If you get your plane back to base, full of holes or not, you an above average or 'the best' pilot.
http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/25.gif

EAF19_Aceman
09-26-2006, 11:57 AM
JG5_MetalG, just check his online war stats
http://europeinflames.binbrookandpink.org/pilot.php?hlname=JG5_MetalG
92 mission streak with 96 kills, Impressive.
Have flown many a time against this pilot as have my squad, no one else can handle a 109 like him. (Dont forget Von_Hess and Ramjager aswell)

SithSpeeder
09-26-2006, 12:11 PM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by OD_79:

Otherwise if you are looking for arcade style wonder woman cockpit anyone is an ace - pretty easy to do. </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

That's pretty insulting to a large group of flyers, OD. There are many exceptional pilots who prefer this venue. There is still a huge gap between aces and rookies in these servers, as they practice their flying with the utmost seriousness.

Personally, I don't fly open pit very often, but sometimes members of my squad do. They are some of the best virtual pilots I've ever met.

I really agree with your second post in this thread, though.

* _54th_Speeder *

***
No one beneath you can offend you. No one your equal would.
-- Jan L. Wells
***

waffen-79
09-26-2006, 12:43 PM
I agree with SithSpeeder

There's two scenarios for me "openpit" and "fullreal" and it depends of just 1 thing

I have time?
or
I haven't much time?

If I have time to spare I fly in warclouds or winds of war, for a REALISTIC mission type dogfight

If my time is LIMITED due RL things then "WW view" as you call it... it's my choice, non-stop ACTION PACKED shoot-if-it-moves dogfight.

But I must say I'm a declared LW Fanboi and as one when ever I fly I use cockpit ON, I personally think that if you turn it off, it kills the immersion as no matter which plane you use it would feel the same. And I love any LW cockpit... simple as that. and even in those "WW" servers I pick my targets: just US/RAF/VVS planes...

I don't think everyone is an ACE in "WW" servers, perhaps the K/D ratio of "fullreal aces" rely on the security of limited visibility and scarse encounters.

Also, disadvantages are relative, I feel that I'm in disadv to an enemy that have:

TRACKIR
TWIST RUDDER
Better CPU
Better CONN
Better GFX card

So check the number of players and enter ANY server that has most

trumper
09-26-2006, 12:48 PM
http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_razz.gifWhat about Bomber squads,we have have excellent pilots but you wont find them amongst the "aces" but as a squad we do try to keep to mission briefs and tasks.

slipBall
09-26-2006, 12:48 PM
It sure is'nt me! http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-very-happy.gif

HayateAce
09-26-2006, 12:48 PM
OpenPit, ArmPit....smells the same. No worries OD_79, if you aren't offending at least a few people, then you're not posting properly.

http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/sleepzzz.gif

OD_79
09-26-2006, 12:59 PM
I think you know what I mean though. While it may have it's own challenges, it's not the same as flying in say Winds of War where you have no icons, full cockpit etc. It is a different game entirely, and potentially anyone can do well in a Cockpit off game, ok you could say the same for full real BUT it is far more rare, and far more difficult to do. It's not meant as an insult, but personally I avoid any game with no cockpit.
I'm sure there are some very competent pilots who fly cockpit off - but are they all still as good with cockpit on?
None of this helps establish who the best is - but the plaque for the alternates is in the ladies room - oh and there's two O's in Goose!

OD.

EAF19_Aceman
09-26-2006, 01:05 PM
I am out classed in every way, i have a 2.2Ghz, 512mb RAM, 128mb gfx card and TIR1 not forgetting the cheap logiteck wireless freedom 2.4 joystick and i give as good as i get. I only fly online wars and full real servers (were most aces fly), if i wanted arcade views and reduced difficulty (that most kids fly) i would fly CFS.
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content"> "OD" I'm sure there are some very competent pilots who fly cockpit off - but are they all still as good with cockpit on?
</div></BLOCKQUOTE>
In my opinion an ACE pilot is someone who flys full difficulty all the time.
Have i offended any one yet http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/88.gif

rnzoli
09-26-2006, 02:17 PM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by BOA_Allmenroder:
I nominate mzoli.

Reason 1: Because of his new dedicated coop server.
Reason 2: He shot me down outmaneuvering me in a B25 while I was flying a 110. http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/11.gif http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/touche.gif </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-very-happy.gif gigaLOL, most hilarious post of the year http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_smile.gif

You forgot to mention that it was the Night Fighters mission, several of your Bf110's were leaking fuel, making your locations easy to track, while I could sneak up on you in the dark, with plenty of ammo, unsynched 0.50s, alert AI gunners in the doors and in the rear etc., so I didn't even had to turn with the 110s so hard. In fact this tactic was so successful that another 110 was downed in the same way, in the same sortie. The third one however, was already suspecting what was going on and I didn't dare to push my luck.

I think this story illustrates the wisdom that it's not the plane, not the pilot either, but the overall opportunity.

By the way, the other day, on same mission I flew one Bf110 and nervously watched every time after being hit by defensive fire, if I leave any fuel vapor trail. I didn't, but suddenly a B25 dove on me anyway, firing all the way, so I had to break, dive, roll and pull up at ground level to get him off me. I was sure someone is making a copycat attack on me (this time, me being on the receiving end), but it turned out to be... an AI http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_smile.gif

So I nominate the AI Ace pilots for this title.

They are excellent shooters, they preserve their energy, they help their team-mates, be they fellow-AIs or humans. Furthermore, they are modest, never boast about their kills, and surprisingly, they never blame Oleg's DM, FM, bias or the 0.50, not even when shot down. http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_smile.gif

Jamelo
09-26-2006, 02:21 PM
The best pilots that i have flown 1on1 in Full Real settings are as follows

P-39: 1/4Gv_Haupt
P-38: Raf238Locust
P-40: 123Rafaeli
P-51: =AFJ=Mantis
P-47: =AFJ=Viper
Bf-109: =AFJ=rsm
Fw-190: =AFJ=Viper/=AFJ=Goodknight

All extremely capable pilots in there machines, ones to watch when they are around

VMF-214_HaVoK
09-26-2006, 02:24 PM
Your first post is this lame question? If your that new then everyone is the best becuase everyone is better then you! And I get the feeling you not new but rather using an alias just to see if your name is mentioned. http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/10.gif

Another thing about these back slappin threads is the real best online pilots are rarely mentioned. Its nothing more then an a$$ kissin contest.

Phew http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif

EAF19_Aceman
09-26-2006, 02:32 PM
The best online pilots are-
"EAF51_Bear"
"EAF51/20_Marin"
"EAF51/20_Cassa"
"EAF51/20_Nepe"
"EAF51/20_Franz"
"EAF51/20_bianco"
"EAF51_bianco"
"EAF51_bianco2"
"EAF51/20_Bazz"
"EAF51/20_Chip"
"EAF51_Chip"
"EAF51/20_Bender"
"EAF51/20_Luft"
"EAF51_Haza"
"EAF51_Roby"
"EAF51/155_BANZi"
"EAF51/155_Jimmi"
"EAF51/155_Trip"
"EAF51/155_TonyR"
"EAF51/155TonyR"
"EAF51/155_MeTiS"
"EAF51/155_Fatto"
"EAF51/FOX"
"EAF51/155_fox"
"EAF51/155_Seyou"
"EAF51/155_Viper"
"EAF51/132_Pesca"
"EAF51/132_War"
"EAF51/132_Max"
"EAF51_MrNO"
"EAF51_Mr.NO"
"EAF51/132_Siggy"
"EAF51_Siggy"
"EAF51_wildcat"
"EAF51/132_Blitz"
"EAF51_Blitz"
"EAF51/132_Vespa"
"EAF602_Painter"
"EAF602_Joe90"
"EAF602_RoadrunR"
"EAF602_Sterling"
"EAF602_Blaze"
"EAF602_Whizz"
"EAF331_spider"
"EAF331_Stone"
"EAF331Paddy"
"EAF331_Mas"
"EAF331_Mikke"
"EAF331_Mram"
"EAF331_Wasp"
"EAF331Archangel"
"EAF331_Snowfalc"
"EAF331_Weas"
"EAF331_Kleppa"
"EAF331_Hans"
"EAF331_MadDog"
"EAF331_Toto"
"EAF274_Henkie"
"EAF274_Johan"
"EAF274_Jaws"
"EAF274_BOB"
"EAF274_Backstop"
"EAF274_PAX"
"EAF19_Maryfield"
"EAF19_Brigstock"
"EAF19_Insight"
"EAF19_JohnnyRed"
"EAF19_Meako"
"EAF19_Ming"
"EAF19_Majik"
"EAF19_PeeGee"
"EAF19_Swoop"
"EAF19_Classic"
"EAF19_Marsh"
"EAF19_Trooper"
"EAF92PeaceMaker"
"EAF92_Keets"
"EAF92_Splash"
"EAF92_Whiskey"
"EAF92_Classic"
"EAF92_Ede"
"EAF92_Phil"
"EAF92Hiawatha"
"EAF92_Cop"
"EAF92_Tango"
"EAF92_Techy"
"EAF92_Osprey"
"EAF310_Macfly"
"EAF310_Thor"
And the ones i forgot
http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/88.gif http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/icon_twisted.gif http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/88.gif

Xiolablu3
09-26-2006, 02:34 PM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by KaleunFreddie:
Teamspirit always makes average pilots look good - safety in numbers.
BUT when the chips are down, you're going to be alone sometime, and there are going to be 3 or 4 other 'enemies' who want your a.s-s. If you get your plane back to base, full of holes or not, you an above average, if not, 'the best' pilot.
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This is where the hi speed of the FW190 or P51 is very useful.

I am stuck on hi speed planes nowadays, becasue you have a MASSIVE advantage of being able to escape easily or choose the time and place of the fight.

FW190/Mustang/P47 are the best/most dangerous planes in the game in my opinion.

p1ngu666
09-26-2006, 03:48 PM
and u can get "aces" on the arcade servers, or full real, online wars, coops, bombers etc.

the skills needed are different.

bombers require the greatest number of skills, and a wider range of abilitys than fighters.

generaly, i find the whole coop community very good fliers, in terms of ability, sticking to mission, helping others, not kill stealing, being nice tobe with etc..

KaleunFreddie
09-26-2006, 04:35 PM
Considering that the original post was more concerned about the best individual pilots, we detract a bit when we wander off into teamwork and bombers..etc. Although this might be essential, but in reality it has little significance if yon pilots has no skills in 'combat'.
So we're down to the self-convincing great pilot - That's ME without a doubt http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/11.gif .

If you cannot shoot the other down in a hurry, or avoid being shot down - you cannot play team. In other words if yah got no skill - yah got no kill - and you're cannon fodder.
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Xiolablu3
09-26-2006, 04:42 PM
The very best pilot would almost certainly lose to two less skilled pilots with better teamwork.

LStarosta
09-26-2006, 04:44 PM
No no, there's two As in Starosta.

F6_Ace
09-26-2006, 04:59 PM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by Xiolablu3:
The very best pilot would almost certainly lose to two less skilled pilots with better teamwork. </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

Not necessarily. I consider Scrappy and Boehmer to be two good pilots (and I'm not the very best) and I bagged them both once, while they were trying to teamwork me, when I was in a Ki43 after a protracted fight at around 5k; I think they were in Brewsters.

Again, I'm not the very best pilot but once I took on 5 LW fighters in a Spit 25lbs and stitched them up nicely. This was in a co-op where teamwork is the de-facto standard.

Interesting, in both cases, I seem to remember that my superior climb advantage allowed me to maintain an upper hand.

In general, you are correct but a mediocre, risk-aware pilot, working alone, who has a good knowledge of his aircraft's strengths vs those of his assailants can better the enemy more often than you might imagine.

After all, if you are teamworking but you don't gel with your wingy, you can often end up in more trouble as you are worrying about what your partner is doing as much as what the enemy is.

VMF-214_HaVoK
09-26-2006, 05:23 PM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by LStarosta:
No no, there's two As in Starosta. </div></BLOCKQUOTE>
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-HH-Quazi
09-26-2006, 05:34 PM
My vote would be for DD_Delta7 as an individual jock. He is a great fighterjock, #5 overall on WarClouds, plus he won't leave a team m8 out to dry just to get a kill. He will break off and try to clear a m8s six in a moments notice. And that, imho, is why he gets my vote.

wayno7777
09-26-2006, 09:43 PM
Well, it ain't me. I'm still in the cannon fodder division.... http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/88.gif

JamesBlonde888
09-26-2006, 10:51 PM
I am the best, until I get shot down. Then I try to figure out what went wrong until I am the best again.

JG14_Josf
09-27-2006, 11:12 AM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Hi im new to iL2, i started this week and as a matter of curiosity am interested in who you think are the best online pilots that play this game? Look forward to hearing your replies... </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

If a competition existed to find the best pilot, then, the question would have one answer.

The answer would only be valid for the best pilot in the competition.

My thinking is:

The best friendly pilot is a toss up between 4./JG53 Wotan and JG14_Hertt.

Both are competent wingmen.

I suspect that JV44Heinz at Warclouds is a contender for top spot in the best pilot category because he shows up as a good wingman even without radio communication.

The best pilot (wingman):

Can shoot an enemy plane down before you can but does not have to do so every single time

Can clear your tail before you even know an enemy is on your tail

Can drag a target right in front of your guns and all you have to do is pull the trigger.

Can tell you how to drag a target right in front of his guns so all he has to do is pull the trigger

Can hang back when needed to cover when needed and at the same time €" can take over an attack when needed as soon as needed.

Can spot targets before you can

Can spot threats before you can

Can maneuver into the right position before being asked

Shows up in the right place at the right time even when communication is lost €" time and time again

Does not blame anyone but instead figures out solutions

Executes solutions immediately

Minimizes repeating mistakes

As far as enemy pilots I find on-line (lately):

Nasty

Zoom

Soul

Thunderbolt

I€m basing my opinion on resent experience. Thunderbolt and his wingman schooled our wing pair recently. It was quite instructional. That was not too distant in the past but I may not have the recollection accurately recorded in my memory. I do have the track file though. Don€t turn around with an obviously better pair.

Here are some answers to your question:

http://www.war-clouds.com/wf-stats/index.php?navigation...s/all/air/index.html (http://www.war-clouds.com/wf-stats/index.php?navigation=pilots/all/air/index.html)

I think that the best pilot at adding kills is one measure of success.

I think history provides another:

<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Of all my accomplishments I may have achieved during the war, I am proudest of the fact that I never lost a wingman.

€" Colonel Erich 'Bubi' Hartmann, GAF.
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Great Aviation Quotes (http://www.skygod.com/quotes/combat.html)

dieg777
09-27-2006, 01:12 PM
while I am very grateful for Quazis kind remarks, in truth there are as many "bests" as there are aircraft and the way guys fly them. Some will be lone hunters and some will work for the team. Some will aim for high kill rates and others for survival as a priority. Some are good in dogfight servers and some prefer co-ops or online wars. Then factor in the various difficulty settings and plane sets and maps for each server and it is truely hard to determine the best.
Most servers will have stats and will show the current trend but stats are just that -bare figures that dont really show those who work behind the scenes helping new pilots and others on their side to enjoy that server.
I guess all this is just to say that on a given day or week or server you will meet the best. http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-wink.gif Hang around the servers you find suit you and play and team up with others and it should be obvious who are the better mates on line.

~S~

MEGILE
09-27-2006, 01:43 PM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by LStarosta:
No no, there's two As in Starosta. </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

lawl

T_O_A_D
09-27-2006, 02:13 PM
Me of course, http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/59.gif

No seriously, I have flown against some very, very good sticks. Although you often find those super sticks are lousy pilots. They are sold on themselves, and will do little, to nothing to improve your game.

A great Pilot is a Mentor, to the lesser. http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/25.gif

I'm by no means the best, but when I am totally out classing someone, I will slow down and beggin a lesson for them, if they will entertain the thought,and then try to my best ability to improve thier skill.

Lucius_Esox
09-27-2006, 03:41 PM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">After all, if you are teamworking but you don't gel with your wingy, you can often end up in more trouble as you are worrying about what your partner is doing as much as what the enemy is.
</div></BLOCKQUOTE>

This is a very true statement in my experience.. http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/35.gif

Best pilot,,, so so hard. If you flit about on servers at hyperlobby, play in online wars, co-ops etc you can come across many excellent pilots who are not "names"

TgD Thunderbolt56
09-28-2006, 01:52 PM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by JG14_Josf:
As far as enemy pilots I find on-line (lately):

Nasty

Zoom

Soul

Thunderbolt

I€m basing my opinion on resent experience. Thunderbolt and his wingman schooled our wing pair recently. It was quite instructional. That was not too distant in the past but I may not have the recollection accurately recorded in my memory. I do have the track file though. Don€t turn around with an obviously better pair.

Here are some answers to your question:

http://www.war-clouds.com/wf-stats/index.php?navigation...s/all/air/index.html (http://www.war-clouds.com/wf-stats/index.php?navigation=pilots/all/air/index.html) </div></BLOCKQUOTE>



That's one of the nicest things anyone has said about me lately. http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/inlove.gif

The fact of the matter is when I get online and scan the server population through ASE or HL, I know right away where I'm going to fly based on the pilots that are there. My long-time wingman (=TgD=Lunix) has been uncharacteristically absent lately (though we stay in touch), but when we used to fly together a few times a week for hours at a time I would have gladly fought ViKs and Storm...we were that good IMO.

While I got most of the kills, I quickly say Lunix was a better pilot than myself for the same reasons listed above.

He was always there
He has eagle-eyes
He's an excellent tactician
He always makes me better


TB

StellarRat
09-28-2006, 02:52 PM
Well, in-spite of what has been said about the best pilots always helping their teammates, etc... I'm done helping fools in WC that are dogfighting in Allied planes with 109's and 190's below 1000m. Specially the ones that aren't on comms. I can't tell you how many times I've gone down to help one of these guys and had them fly off without helping me get out of the mess I got into to save them.

I'm not going to do it anymore unless they are on comms and are willing to do the same for me. I do fine when I stay above 3000m. I stay alive, get kills, and get home. Even flying alone.

Xiolablu3
09-28-2006, 02:59 PM
I know exactly what you mean, Stellar.

The best thing is when you dive down to help someone who is almost certainly dead (bandit up close on his six), you damamge the bandit bad, say knock out his controls and hes smoking black smoke. He's OBVIOIUSLY going to go down within a minute or two, and no danger to anyone any more so you climb back up to a safe height.

Then the person that you save turns around and finishes off the enemy plane.

That situation has happened more times than I like to mention and always makes me laugh (in a disappointed way, I mean what else can you do?)

Zoom2136
09-28-2006, 03:15 PM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Who you think are the best online pilots that play this game? Look forward to hearing your replies... </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

If a competition existed to find the best pilot, then, the question would have one answer.

The answer would only be valid for the best pilot in the competition.

As far as enemy pilots I find on-line (lately):

Nasty

Zoom

Soul

Thunderbolt

I€m basing my opinion on resent experience.
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Thanks for including me among this list of very good pilots... http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_cool.gif

I must admit that I find Helltoupey and Deadwood (of WC) to be amoung the best of the best... they are always their to save your a**** when you get to ambitious... and they are killing machines... http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/11.gif

And as far as groud pounder goes... Workky, MajorC2xtreme and PaganNoman... wowwwwwwwwww these guys can give you a run for your money... and talk about dogfighting with their P-38.....

La7_brook
09-28-2006, 03:26 PM
WC blue TS channel for sure http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/crackwhip.gif

DEY_RAVEN_UK
09-29-2006, 02:03 AM
There are some very good red pilots on WC and it would be very difficult to name the best.

I would like to name a few but my list would be to long http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif

The ones already mentioned in the post above are very good and always a challenge to fly against but a few names are missing from the list also.

Diamond
Maddog
Glen
Gino
Belcebu
elanski
YunTian

These names spring to mind at the moment.
To name the best is impossible.

RCAF_Irish_403
09-29-2006, 05:22 AM
has anyone mentiones Lolsav from WC?....that guy does some mean stuff in a p51 or Dora

WOLFMondo
09-29-2006, 08:39 AM
Best one on one pilot I've seen and flown with is Fish6891. Vonrat is also a very good virtual pilot one on one and as a wing man.

Bremspropeller
09-29-2006, 08:44 AM
Me!



...pretty much not http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/59.gif
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BaronUnderpants
09-29-2006, 06:52 PM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by StellarRat:
Well, in-spite of what has been said about the best pilots always helping their teammates, etc... I'm done helping fools in WC that are dogfighting in Allied planes with 109's and 190's below 1000m. Specially the ones that aren't on comms. I can't tell you how many times I've gone down to help one of these guys and had them fly off without helping me get out of the mess I got into to save them.

I'm not going to do it anymore unless they are on comms and are willing to do the same for me. I do fine when I stay above 3000m. I stay alive, get kills, and get home. Even flying alone. </div></BLOCKQUOTE>


<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by Xiolablu3:
I know exactly what you mean, Stellar.

The best thing is when you dive down to help someone who is almost certainly dead (bandit up close on his six), you damamge the bandit bad, say knock out his controls and hes smoking black smoke. He's OBVIOIUSLY going to go down within a minute or two, and no danger to anyone any more so you climb back up to a safe height.

Then the person that you save turns around and finishes off the enemy plane.

That situation has happened more times than I like to mention and always makes me laugh (in a disappointed way, I mean what else can you do?) </div></BLOCKQUOTE>



And all this time u full real aces had me beliving there is no such thing as noobism in such fine and "professional" servers as WC. http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_rolleyes.gif http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/34.gif http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/crackwhip.gif http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif

Sry, i know there is, but u never hear about it from "real" aces who think real men only fly full real, and i couldnt help myselfe. http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-wink.gif

Xiolablu3
09-29-2006, 07:18 PM
Sorry I should note that I am not singling out Warclouds for this kind of behaviour, it happens all the time from inexperienced pilots on all servers.

Most of the regulars/veterans would never do such things.

SeaFireLIV
09-29-2006, 07:26 PM
Wraith06 still watching?

Truth is, these kind of questions are unfair.

Xiolablu3
09-29-2006, 10:43 PM
I was going to list my favourite pilots, but there were just too many.

Once it got to 20 I thought it was getting a bit silly.

You know who you are guys, S!

Xiolablu3
09-29-2006, 10:44 PM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by BaronUnderpants:
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by StellarRat:
Well, in-spite of what has been said about the best pilots always helping their teammates, etc... I'm done helping fools in WC that are dogfighting in Allied planes with 109's and 190's below 1000m. Specially the ones that aren't on comms. I can't tell you how many times I've gone down to help one of these guys and had them fly off without helping me get out of the mess I got into to save them.

I'm not going to do it anymore unless they are on comms and are willing to do the same for me. I do fine when I stay above 3000m. I stay alive, get kills, and get home. Even flying alone. </div></BLOCKQUOTE>


<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by Xiolablu3:
I know exactly what you mean, Stellar.

The best thing is when you dive down to help someone who is almost certainly dead (bandit up close on his six), you damamge the bandit bad, say knock out his controls and hes smoking black smoke. He's OBVIOIUSLY going to go down within a minute or two, and no danger to anyone any more so you climb back up to a safe height.

Then the person that you save turns around and finishes off the enemy plane.

That situation has happened more times than I like to mention and always makes me laugh (in a disappointed way, I mean what else can you do?) </div></BLOCKQUOTE>



And all this time u full real aces had me beliving there is no such thing as noobism in such fine and "professional" servers as WC. http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_rolleyes.gif http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/34.gif http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/crackwhip.gif http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif

Sry, i know there is, but u never hear about it from "real" aces who think real men only fly full real, and i couldnt help myselfe. http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-wink.gif </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

Baron, you have a pm

Heavy_Metal1982
09-30-2006, 12:20 AM
I fly mostly on Zekes vs Wildcats, I've never flown on War Clouds before so I'm not too sure how the flying is on that server. However, I find the people over on Zekes are pretty good. I think the best online pilots are the ones that join comms and try and communicate with their team.

I must admit, that stats can be very misleading. I love stats comparing which pilot is good in what plane and how accurate they are with their shooting, it can give me a better idea of what to look for when I'm flying either against or with them. Of course just because you have a high K/D ratio doesn't mean that you are good, since they might not be very good at dive bombing or taking out ground targets. Everyone has their strengths and they must play to it.

La7_brook
09-30-2006, 01:12 PM
if want too no how too fly a spit ask Ochi

jensenpark
09-30-2006, 01:46 PM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by -HH-Quazi:
My vote would be for DD_Delta7 as an individual jock. He is a great fighterjock, #5 overall on WarClouds, plus he won't leave a team m8 out to dry just to get a kill. He will break off and try to clear a m8s six in a moments notice. And that, imho, is why he gets my vote. </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

Going with Quaz on this one.
Sunflower of the HH is a killer as well - but don't see him as much on HL. When I see SF I usually to to avoid him and go at others...

rnzoli
09-30-2006, 04:19 PM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by SeaFireLIV:
Wraith06 still watching?

Truth is, these kind of questions are unfair. </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

Of course he is watching, because he wants to see his real ID to be listed by someone http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_wink.gif

leitmotiv
09-30-2006, 06:31 PM
I don't know about online, but offline the AI takes the honors hands down---cheating swines!

Xiolablu3
09-30-2006, 07:31 PM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by rnzoli:
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by SeaFireLIV:
Wraith06 still watching?

Truth is, these kind of questions are unfair. </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

Of course he is watching, because he wants to see his real ID to be listed by someone http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_wink.gif </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-very-happy.gif Watch out RnZoli you are gtting as cynical as me... http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-wink.gif